I have been a member of Pinside for almost a year, although I lurked for a while before joining. There is a wealth of knowledge here and people are always willing to jump in and help with problems with machines and with problems in life as far as that goes. The one thing that was obvious from the day I first logged on to the site is that JJP haters are the most vocal members here. Anything Jack (or Alex) says is immediately jumped on and cast in a negative light by the same 5 or 6 people, over and over, in every..single..JJP..thread. I think everyone here knows this, including the moderators and Robin. In fact, I think this is what Robin alluded to when he said he wanted the site to be more positive this year. Obviously the site has not become more positive, as it's more of the same. So, having said that, this thread is for people like me, who think JJP is great for pinball, and with WOZ has created an awesome machine. IMO, how could any unbiased person look at WOZ and not see the advances made compared to other machines? The game is simply awesome. I didn't pull the trigger when I should have on the ECWOZLE, so it is going to cost me. I now have a Ruby Red on order and that, along with TH will be my first, and maybe only, NIB games. Rock on JJP!

TROLLS NOT WELCOME HERE!

That is a very cool story!

To be clear, I like all pinball. I think my Stern games are great also, especially LOTR. I would love to own Metallica one day. However, I don't think it can compare to WOZ.

And you are definitely not welcome in here.

Dude, this is ridiculous. How does saying that I am a fan of JJP make me want to be victimized? I'll bet you think that girls that wear slutty clothes want to be victimized too.

This is a thread in the JJP sub-forum. The thread title is pretty clear. Every WOZ or Hobbit thread gets derailed by the same few people every single time. You should know this, you're one of them.

Look, I agree that this is not my site and it probably was silly to post that title. Of course I can't stop anyone from posting anything they want in any thread here, including this one. However, no one can deny what I said about every JJP thread getting derailed by the same people every time. Evidently there is nowhere on the site where JJP can be mentioned without this happening. Even a JJP fan thread.

You're right. Sorry dude. There are a few that do though.

I agree, but there is no such thing as "have a rational discussion" when it comes to JJP. As far as having trouble, he is the only person I have ever seen complain about customer service, and he didn't come here and ask for help.

Somehow I knew you wouldn't be able to resist. The gang is almost all here.

I'm not sure I understand the difference. If you don't like either, why did you read the thread?

Yeah, cause i is stupid. We can't all be as smart as you Rob. You win.

At any rate I proved my point. Any thread about JJP or WOZ ends the same, with the same people trolling.

Meh...maybe it was. Sorry if I ticked the haters off by calling them out. I thought trolling was going into someone else's thread and making comments to purposefully cause trouble. I guess our definition of a troll is a bit different.

Ok. So I started this thread this morning when I logged on and was feeling all idealistic. I am now halfway through a six pack of Two Hearted Ale and watching Peppa Pig with my little girl while I surf Pinside on a tablet. I am definitely not a confrontational person and really try to get along with everyone. I am really sorry if I offended anyone by starting the thread. I am sure if I met you guys in person we could all find something in common, namely pinball. I do stand by my comments about JJP however. I definitely think they have raised the bar for all manufacturers.

Thanks, but I kind of knew when I started the thread that it would start a s***storm and piss people off. I probably shouldn't have done that. I just get tired of all the hate directed toward JJP and don't really understand it. I have followed WOZ since it was first announced and saw the ups and downs and missed delivery dates, so I know the story as well as everyone else. If its the missed delivery dates that piss people off, google aamigo. That is a fitness bracelet that was crowd funded. Look at how many delivery date promises they have missed, and it's just a little bracelet.JJP accomplished something far greater imo. Of course I am biased as I like pinball way more than fitness.

Thanks Alex.