yep a standard here is $12197.08 with taxes and not counting starburst profit on top of that, a lot of money for a toy.

i was hoping for a better price but the game looks amazing!

Carparison
Stern = Toyota - steady Eddy, nothing fancy, gets the job done
JJP = Mercedes - more expensive than Toyota, fewer cars in the lineup, lots of bells and whistles, gets the job done in style.

Not the best carparison, but whatever

Not sure you understand fishing. How many games have you pre-ordered and not purchased at this point? I hope Larry gets your payment deposited quickly.

I would give my business to Nitro over Starburst. My friend ordered a pin and it was cheaper from Nitro delivered to his door then ordering from Starbust and he would have had to drive down from up North to pick it up too!

Aren't the Real prices always less than the MSRP?

i agree, i might give it a shot.

It looks interesting and fun to shoot, but I'm deeply disappointed in a re-tread theme and outlandish prices. I'd much rather have a Dialed In.

The Pirates movies make for a good theme... in 2006.

I was disappointed in the theme but have to say game does look great. Theme is not that important to me but I would rather see something new than a theme already done. In the end, a good game is a good game. JJP is definitely making Stern look bad. Price is the killer for me as well. I really liked DI and this one looks to be pretty good, too. Even if I had a little more cash to spend, I would still hesitate spending that much on one game. At least with JJP games, you can somewhat justify the high price tag. That thing is loaded.

He's newsworthy in the last 24months due to allegations of domestic abuse and claims of excessive behavior while being a diva.

Idk about that. Toyotas are bullet proof.

Not with JJP.

I just paid $800 for a new fly rod last week that I'm basically going to be using situationally. It's not a cheap sport.

Who knows how this whole pricing thing is gonna play out but JJP just sniped a bunch of LE sales from Stern

Based on how Stern has done in the past with LEs I'd say the upper end market is there to go get.

boom, all i could find at the moment.

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Dont we pay less tax if we buy from Tommy?

I do believe so

Yeah, the LE model is what is going to feel it. Pros are largely unaffected by what JJP is doing, I'd wager. Now, the CGC remakes, they are a bit of a threat to the Stern Pros, but not really the JJP games.

Nitro gets my money every time for NIB even if the price is more. Tommy and nitro are always around to chat or respond to emails. They support pinball events like crazy.

Yes but what Stern is doing would be like Toyota charging $70k for a Corolla as hey Mercedes does it. Lol.

Anyone who comes in this thread and talks about Stern (why I don't know), needs help. This game looks fantastic. Sure the price is high, but you get what you pay for. If you can't afford JJP games, there are plenty of other companies making games. Just saying.

The people bringing up Stern are all huge JJP fans.

Don’t quote me on this because some businesses may work around it

But geneally no. If u have a product shipped to your province. U pay your provincial taxes

If u drove down to that province and picked it up. Then you pay that provinces taxes. I believe legally u are suppose to file it in your taxes and then pay the difference but no one is going to do that

JJP Pirates - the full featured standard looks appealing, but at $8.5k is probably $1.5k above where it needs to be priced imo. LE at $1k more has enough upgrades to justify its purchase over the standard, if you like bling. CE is another $3k but only offers better cabinet art and hardware color (so far), making it a poor choice. Can't wait to find some rich friends or a pinball show, so I can start playing Pirates soon.

JJP - if code is 20% done, how about selling me a POTC for 20% of msrp?

I don't give a rip who makes a game. I'll play it if it's fun. If I love it, I'll consider picking it up. But if people want to draw comparisons, there simply isn't a fair one between what Stern has done with their last couple of releases against the last couple from JJP. Even in all its stripped down simplicity, Star Wars is still under cooked. Taking their premium or LE model, which should be the luxury model, it's crazy how chintzy it is. That piece of garbage jump ramp is a constant ball hangup that often rejects shots. They pulled features from previous LE models. Nothing about it feels premium, it feels wobbly and lame. If this is the luxury line for Stern, and they're going to keep targeting the high-end collector with stuff like this, people are going to be quick to cry foul. As a fan of just pinball in general, I'm really frustrated with Stern these days.

I'm not happy with the NIB pricing from anybody these days, but I don't play dollar values. It's pretty hard to look at Star Wars and feel like it measures up in any way against Dialed In or Pirates on just an effort level. JJP is trying. Stern is phoning it in and coasting. People are going to keep pointing that out.

I can’t see that happening. JJP business model has always been pricing a machine high but giving a totally decked out machine. Their starting price points have been where other others end. That’s their business model. Cater to the high end Pinball crowd.

I don’t believe stern machines are meant to

Sterns business model is making a pro game at a relatively low price point. With their prem and LE adding more or upgrading parts but are designed to play relatively the same.

Where as JJP has always been about pricing and catering to the high end Pinball market. So it should always have more and feel more compared to a stern.

Now you're a Stern fan? You do nothing but shit rip them all day long.

Because you've played them both?

BC is 12% GST + PST

Call Gary at Abel Electronics....he's one the largest JJP distributors, and a great guy to deal with...cant go wrong

Then why the disparity in playfield features? Why the major price jump over the pro? It doesn't make sense. Stern started this whole "meant for the operator/meant for the home" model nonsense.

They made it a point to express that no two games on JJPOTC will play the same. We will see if they pulled that off.

OK, Who brought the dog?!

One of the many great things about JJP games is that the game play is the same for the SE, LE, and CE (although they claim there's extra code?)....what your really paying for is different trim, graphics, and glass....although I have heard the toys are a little different on the POTC LE and CE, but thats not consistent with what the designer said in his speech.

And sell software updates to us for each new version to make it back.

JJP is the new sherif in town. I wonder what other stern games they will remake.

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Does the spinning pop bumper play any different then a standard pop or is it just the pirate spinning on top?

Believe the toy differences are only cosmetic...
- Bumpers on standard don't have spinning toys on top
- spinners are not edge lit RGB (I believe)
... etc.
So game plays same... code is same... but bling is different.
(i.e. you don't lose the moving upper playfield or other parts of game that actually interact with the ball).

Great job by the JJP team! Congratulations!

This is exactly the difference between sterns vs JJP model

JJP model is all about high end. So their cheapest game is loaded and the trim levels just offers more bling but doesn’t affect the game itself

Stern is a mix of both. So the pro model is relatively cheap. Stern wants to the le/prem to play relatively the same but want to add extra features to it so more money is spent on development of the way the 2 games play

If stern were to use JJP approach.

The prem and le would be striped down to pro level and play the same and have wire ramps instead of plastic. No extra magnets,flippers, etc. have more ornaments,shaker, glass etc

They have completely different business model approaches

Everyone wants stern to build a game like JJP

If stern were to do that. They wouldn’t have a pro model.

I will say stern LE should offer more over their premium. Like shaker, glass and or topper etc

no interest in the theme at all

but damn this game looks fun, very exciting stuff

JJP is clearly the Tesla of pinball.

I just want them to build a game that's fun, with complete code, and a cabinet that won't fall apart. That seems to be too much for them to handle though...

LOL, leave him alone Kenny.

I don't want another JJP. I just want Stern to start trying harder. They're not doing anything interesting right now. Ghostbusters was pretty cool, despite it being a maintenance nightmare. The magna slings are a smart invention, Slimer is a better bash style toy than a target with a magnet core, and the Ecto Goggles are neat (though criminally underused). Stern doesn't need to make an expensive game, but they need to make something that isn't just more of the same old thing.

Thanks for the clarification...its just nice that u get the same game play on all the machines, which is not the case with Stern.

The new acronym should be 10-15kPOTC

Lol. I can't believe people are paying these ridiculous prices

But it doesn't start at $10k and it doesn't go up to $15k...so, uh, what? I don't want to defend the price, because it's high, but let's not just make stuff up that's not true now.

I didn't bother checking price. Figured I was in the ball park. 8500-12500. Plus shipping. So I would say I was in the ballpark

So I will fix it for ya

9-13KPOTC. Lol

The people bringing up Stern are also often fans of this hobby in general and so want every company to be successful by making the best games that can be made (not obviously phoning it in as we have seen lately). This is why we bring it up - because we care about the direction the industry is going.

I agree. Stern LE gets bashed often when their own LEs gets compared to their STLE

But let’s take a look a ST pro vs STLE. In terms of gameplay what’s the difference. The left outer lane ball save kickback other than the that the game plays the same.

The major coding difference is the warp ramp chase lights and color changing LEDs which adds time to the code. But nothing like got pro and gotle.

So on STLE the money saved on developing 2 different playing games and be used on more toys and bling.

Much like how JJP standard model,Le and CE model

So the question comes down to. Would someone pay stern LEs price that plays the same as a pro. Ex STLE vs the base price of a JJP.

I personally love how Star Trek pro plays. But it’s still sparse compared to the base JJP. Now adding more bling to it like how STLE did. Still doesn’t compare to say a WOZ standard.