Here is Pat Lawlor lineup…..

Williams[edit]
Banzai Run (1988)
Earthshaker (1989)
Whirlwind (1990)
FunHouse (1990)
Red & Ted's Road Show (1994; part of WMS' SuperPin series)
No Good Gofers (1997)
Wizard Blocks (1999; prototype running on Pinball 2000)
Midway (Bally)[edit]
The Addams Family (1992)
The Twilight Zone (1993; part of WMS' SuperPin series)
Safecracker (1996)
Stern / Pat Lawlor Design[edit]
Monopoly (2001)
RollerCoaster Tycoon (2002)
Ripley's Believe it or Not! (2004)
NASCAR (known as Grand Prix in Europe) (2005)
Family Guy (2007)
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (2008)
Shrek (2008)

Glad we have both of them!

looking at the number of games he sold BR fail SC fail NGG fail RTRS c+ made Stern lame game M RCT N CSI

Jpop…..

Star Wars Episode 1
Tom
CV
Totan
World Cup Soccer

What else?

I realize it's tough putting A to B sometimes but you do realize that TAF production was 22,000 and TZ was 15,000. Maybe, not really sure, but maybe it has something to do with the time period and the demand for pinball games.

I like every one of those Stern/Lawlor pins, let's drop 24 in there at the same time with Ritchie/Lyman…..A to B And before that there was T3, Elvis and WPT, I love Wpt, most people hate it….didn't sell

Jack announced early on that all of his pins would be wide body, but designed his assembly line to be convertable to standard, then said Pat's game will not be wide. More misinformation.
Whatever.
Don't care.
Most likely Pat has something in mind and Jack is giving him a free leash to roam on, which is good.
Looking forward to it, but please, Jack, no pre-orders.

All worship Gary Gayton his Star Trek sold over 16,000 and Evel Knievel 14,000 who cares about the designer if your that big a Lawlor fan go out and but one of his many games don't just spew about a game you know nothing about.

Things change and sometimes there's an opportunity too good to pass up (Lawlor)

*shrug*

I'm not about to say "sorry, widebody only" to well respected designers.

actually looking forward to it NOT being a wide body.

I am very happy its not a widebody. I favour the gameplay in normal cabinets.

Do you have any clue what you are talking about? I'm getting ready to go change out lighting on RS, one of my favorites

I still just want to see the Hobbit...

Reminded me of this....
Not picking on OP.

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I wonder if that's actual stationary. I need to pick some up.

Don't care. I'm a 1 & done with JJP. I've had my woz for 9 month & have maybe 50 games on it.

I am not into wide body games, so happy to have a standard width, can you update the poll with a prefer narrow.

Where's the Zizzle body style option?

Dont hate on the wide body!

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Why is everyone so concerned about every word out of Jacks mouth? We all know things change in business as well as stupid things come out of everyone's mouth now and again. Take now and again and tally up what ever you think it means, dont need your lists. Point is its a business you buy with your wallets. If Lawlor designs a wide body or something other than a wide body, wait, look or wait longer and play it. Buy or dont buy the guy has created many amazing machines and you cant take that away from him. Im excited since its been a while and who knows whats going on in creative brain of his however I will wait to see and perhaps play then vote with my wallet. All the other factors just really dont matter.

Nice avatar!

I thought the buzz had been that Lawlor had a design in mind. Obviously, it was a narrow body design. Jack could decide to do it or not.

Depends on the game, if it's a home run then great glad it was a whatever body sized pin, if it's a turd then easier to flush down the pan if it's a standard size, widebody pins are floaters when they suck.

That should be looped in as the pinside anthem when ever we login...
Thumbs up

There are literally 100 regular sized games I'd want over any widebody ever made. So I for one am VERY happy about that news...

The older I get the less I want to ever move a widebody again .

Don't mind, as long as the size is something like this on the left

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or this

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Speak up now as it seams all JJP threads are getting locked down.

In '79 Paragon cost $200.00 more than Kiss at Empire Distributing in Detroit. Also keep in mind Kiss had a license fee payable to Aucoin Management.

With Pat behind it I would have liked to see what he could do with a wide body especially since its an original theme. Hard to believe this is announced up front. I think and hope this will be a hit. I probably like standard more that for sure but believe we could have got something really special as a wide key by Pat Lawlor. I never knew Jack could do standards and thought all were wide bodies. Seen this posted many times before. With all the advances JJP brings why not let Pat have full design. I will be interested to hear why they are going stanDard or story behind it when all is said and done.

This is just speculation and I am sure others have said the same, but it could be that Pat has had a design or two ready to be made for years.

I am all for it. There are only two wide body games I really like. One doesn't play like a WB (to me at least) and the other is just so different you have to like it. Besides, why limit yourself to one design?

Yes, SuperPins were more. I don't remember pricing going down on subsequent narrow body games though, so more of a "justifiable price increase" than SuperPins cost more I think. I'd have to look back at invoices for the games to be sure. I bought all wide bodies except Popeye and JD, and the first narrow body after the Superpin, The Shadow I think.

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3 years ago Jack said a well know designer had brought him a completed game they were very interested in - could be same.

It's not. Pat's game is at least as far along as The Hobbit is though. If JJP can get production pumping, there likely won't be much wait between the two games.

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Pinball Classics
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Quality Board Work - In Home Service
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I hope you are right, Rob.

With current new pin prizes I don't really care how wide or narrow the games are...Whatever I can afford is certainly not a NIB.

This post is like deja vu from a year ago

I thought I heard that before.

I really don't care if they're widebodies or not. Like Rudy said, "It's only pinball!"

If everyone took Rudy's words of wisdom to heart, the pinball community would be a place of peace and I would be able to stop taking sleeping pills.

i prefer non-widebody to widebody, all other things being equal. why is there not an option for people who prefer standard width?

To true

You're worried about game #3? Let's get game #1 fixed and out first.

I knew Bill Aucoin. Strange guy.

Get the torches shovels and pitchforks!!!

IBFTL

Pinfidel is 100% correct! Why are you guys talking about game 3 when game one is still in the need of major help. I don't get it, from what I've seen of one good luck with two. The WOZ my friends has is sub par so why would anyone buy game 2? It's just goofy to talk about 2 much less 3. Don't take my word, go to the PBHF and check that WOZ out if you want to know what these games are going to look like in 12 to 24 months.

Your science is beyond flawed. Might I suggest you compare any other brand game with the same amount of plays before a shop job?

My perfectly working wozle has not worn any more, and in many cases less than any other game I have owned. I play it every day. From the four WOZ games I have played on location and the three others in collectors homes I have played they all work perfectly and have held up well.

If you assume I have an invested interest, you are right I own two Sterns that I hope will be worth more one day, so I can sell them to buy the next JJP game. Somehow I doubt they will sustain their value with games like WOZ competing, but I can always dream.

Put your rusty balls away.

You have been a troll on WOZ posts for a long time now and the post above proves it again. You act like every WOZ has LED board issues and that is far from the case. Just about every game with 7 volt boards has been rock solid. Also, JJP is working on a permanent fix the issue. Hey didn't Stern have to send out magnet boards for Metallica? Oh that's right, don't bring that up. Stern did the right thing and ended up fixing that issue and JJP will fix this one too.

Get out of here saying WOZ is subpar as you cannot be further from the truth. WOZ is one awesome pin and there's not anything else out there like it. I bought a NIB ACDC and NIB WOZ LE blast year and while the the Stern game is great, and fun there's just no comparison with WOZ which is in another league.

Your goal seems to purposely bash WOZ and JJP and put down the product they made. Keep trying all you want as JJP hit it out of the park with their first pin.