Quoted from solarvalue:I don't think this is a big deal, all the pinball people that want a WOZ already have one, the YBR doesn't have the monkey so owners of the older ones won't feel bad and JJP can make some money from some very wealthy families who are new to pinball. Hopefully they can put that cash back into the business.
Two of my neighbors are looking for a WOZ and I told them to wait until this new version is released.
They will now both be purchasing HUO.
Quoted from robotron:buy the beautiful ruby red. somebody has to have a new one. dont “monkey around”
Yep....NIB, RR would be my choice at the moment
Quoted from crazypinballguy:This YBR edition only increases my love for my ECLE.
Yep - the green ECLE version looks best so far to me.
I understand the 2021 orange Munchkinland version is gonna be killer though! 
Quoted from crazypinballguy:This YBR edition only increases my love for my ECLE.
Yep - the green ECLE version looks best so far to me.
I understand the 2021 orange Munchkinland version is gonna be killer though!
So I wonder how the ball is getting up to the castle playfield without the monkey? The door on the right appears to still be there.
Quoted from Goronic:All of the JJP pins have top notch build quality, innovation, and software..
Along with no fun shots, bad animated gif art and bad design on the LCD (so much wasted space and difficult to follow during play.)
This is extremely galling on JJP's part. Although that does not shock me since I just watched a moron frisbee out MAGA-style pinball hats.
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:Yep - the green ECLE version looks best so far to me.
I understand the 2021 orange Munchkinland version is gonna be killer though!
Yes, but that version will be missing the monkey mechanism and both upper play fields.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Limited Edition - how many?
200 suckers
Quoted from solarvalue:I don't think this is a big deal, all the pinball people that want a WOZ already have one, the YBR doesn't have the monkey so owners of the older ones won't feel bad and JJP can make some money from some very wealthy families who are new to pinball. Hopefully they can put that cash back into the business.
Releasing this game to me just seems laughable. This should have been released over a website not unveiled as something new.
I’d say the company needs new leadership. The last two titles they’ve botched the release timelines and they are already a dropping pirates like a bad habit.
Really wondering if/when they will figure out all the problems.
Quoted from davijc02:Releasing this game to me just seems laughable. This should have been released over a website not unveiled as something new.
I’d say the company needs new leadership. The last two titles they’ve botched the release timelines and they are already a dropping pirates like a bad habit.
Really wondering if/when they will figure out all the problems.
It is embarrassing.
Hopefully, they will get their act together and figure it out.
Quoted from robotron:buy the beautiful ruby red. somebody has to have a new one. dont “monkey around”
Would love to. Been trying to get one for a few weeks now. I’m trying to text Kingpin Chris though about ordering a YBR for MGC but I’m sure he’s busy at TPF. 
To me it’s not worth buying an $8k pin then sink another $1k in plus 12 hours for light boards if the boards flake out.
Quoted from davijc02:Releasing this game to me just seems laughable. This should have been released over a website not unveiled as something new.
I’d say the company needs new leadership. The last two titles they’ve botched the release timelines and they are already a dropping pirates like a bad habit.
Really wondering if/when they will figure out all the problems.
they said they ordered parts for a number of pirates and parts ran out and they are done with it even though they have the license for 3 years.
guess it wasnt very succesful.
Here are my reactions...
1. WTH? No Monkey and 11.5K?
2. OK, they make some more money and maybe playfield and apron really do look better in person. More money is good for the company.
3. No, wait a sec. Somehow this just doesn’t seem like it puts JJP in a good light. Why is the Monkey mech removed? Is that really that expensive a part or faulty enough that they had to remove for this elite edition? I never had a problem with mine in my RR. Something just doesn’t sit well with me but it’s been less than an hour.
If you look past the price there is a lot of value. Better mechs, more reliable, easier to work on. Sparkling playfield with metallic yellow bricks, I like the yellow wire and trim and wood apron. Radcals are awesome and the art blades look great.
Quoted from f3honda4me:Would love to. Been trying to get one for a few weeks now. I’m trying to text Kingpin Chris though about ordering a YBR for MGC but I’m sure he’s busy at TPF.
To me it’s not worth buying an $8k pin then sink another $1k in plus 12 hours for light boards if the boards flake out.
please dont believe the hype on the boards. i had my ruby red with the older boards and never had one issue with it. especially if it HUO. if you can find a very nice one you can tell if it hasnt been played much. the boards will be ok.
Quoted from rs812:Somewhere right now Gary Stern is having a vodka on the rocks and smiling
Lol
Quoted from f3honda4me:If you look past the price there is a lot of value.
I don't think you know what value means...
Quoted from pinstyle:So I wonder how the ball is getting up to the castle playfield without the monkey? The door on the right appears to still be there.
Thought they said that the magnet will hold onto the ball in the playfield and then shoot a ball from the VUK. But I will admit it was hard to hear.
Quoted from robotron:please dont believe the hype on the boards. i had my ruby red with the older boards and never had one issue with it. especially if it HUO. if you can find a very nice one you can tell if it hasnt been played much. the boards will be ok.
I know two people with WOZ and both have board problems. There is a risk no matter how you look at it.
Quoted from f3honda4me:If you look past the price there is a lot of value. Better mechs, more reliable, easier to work on. Sparkling playfield with metallic yellow bricks, I like the yellow wire and trim and wood apron. Radcals are awesome and the art blades look great.
Hey, if that logic helps you sleep better, God bless you.
Quoted from f3honda4me:I know two people with WOZ and both have board problems. There is a risk no matter how you look at it.
babies die too
Quoted from robotron:babies die too
You missed the point.
Weirdly, this has taken a bit of the shine off of "Wonka appeal" for me, the more I think about it.....man, I really want to add another JJP to my lineup, but the talk of "better build, better this, better that", then seeing this, again with a cool mech removed for more $$$...just don't understand it
Quoted from skywalker:Weren't these under $7K new when 1st released.
they were losing money at that price
Quoted from skywalker:Weren't these under $7K new when 1st released.
Emerald Cities were $6500 I recalled but that was like 5-6 years ago when prices were more realistic.
Quoted from sd_tom:guess POTC was a miss for them and wanted a filler before next game given the previous title was Dialed in, which i do like, but prob also didnt sell well due to original theme.. makes you wonder what the financial situation is.
I think it’s clear that POTC was something of a disaster financially.
I hope they can right the ship, but I don’t see how this yellow WOZ at $11,500 is going to be very beneficial.
Quoted from f3honda4me:If you look past the price there is a lot of value. Better mechs, more reliable, easier to work on. Sparkling playfield with metallic yellow bricks, I like the yellow wire and trim and wood apron. Radcals are awesome and the art blades look great.
ladies and gentlemen....this is why JJP can pull off this absolute robbery. Can you believe someone is actually trying to rationalize why this is OK?
Pinball people never let me down! Hey - at the very least, I hope it brings Jack some more money to make better games so maybe I shouldn't even call this out!
I agree this should not have been a "covered" pin announcment, but it doesn't really matter in the end.
Quoted from f3honda4me:Would love to. Been trying to get one for a few weeks now. I’m trying to text Kingpin Chris though about ordering a YBR for MGC but I’m sure he’s busy at TPF.
To me it’s not worth buying an $8k pin then sink another $1k in plus 12 hours for light boards if the boards flake out.
Sorry it's so pricey for you, I know you were hoping it would be less. Still, it just proves there might be a market for this after all. Who know how many they actually have to sell to make it worthwhile at these prices anyway.
So much anger here. The world does not owe us reasonably priced pinball machines. It's too much for me but I"m not angry about it, I just won't buy one. If Wonka comes out at 10K plus, I'll be sad as it's a dream theme, but it's their business and they have to do what best for them. Anyway, I don't think I'll stay in this thread and debate this though 
If you do get it, f3, enjoy. I bet it's a great looking machine in person (they always seem to look better in person than the pictures or videos show).
Quoted from f3honda4me:Makes me think wonka and toy story will be north of $10k
Makes me think I won’t be buying one.
Quoted from sd_tom:they were losing money at that price
So i guess now is the time to make up the $ short fall for 1st release 
yea, out of this thread too.....WOZ has been JJP's cornerstone, love my ECLE ( very reliable since the boards were switched some time back), but now questioning if there's another bullet in the chamber ( was never a DI guy, in on POTCCE until they changed the mechs).....
Bourbon night..time to play what I have....
Quoted from delt31:ladies and gentlemen....this is why JJP can pull off this absolute robbery. Can you believe someone is actually trying to rationalize why this is OK?
Pinball people never let me down! Hey - at the very least, I hope it brings Jack some more money to make better games so maybe I shouldn't even call this out!
Don’t get me wrong. It’s overpriced.
Quoted from MK6PIN:... Bourbon night..time to play what I have....
I like your thinking. And your collection!
You should reconsider re: POTC. I was never hot about it until recently. My LE is my first JJP and it's quite a game!
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