Yep, that one is going to Ted Estes (programmer.) Final game weight officially clocked in at 320lbs!!

If you had waited 2 years for your game to be built while people on public forums joked that you're an idiot for putting money down so early for something that would never come to fruition ... you'd be happy to see a finished game in a box too.

OMG .. cry me a river

Wahhh .. move on to a different thread then and stop your constant b.tching and moaning

Do you seriously believe this?? Even if the code is not all there at first I predict this will almost certainly become a top 10 game at some point.

Seemed like a milestone to me (however small you consider it.) Finally got their shipping boxes ... got a physically completed "final" game weighed (320 lbs) and boxed on a pallet, got that weighed (350lbs.) and now testing their packaging (i.e. shipped to their own employee) to ensure packaging is sufficiently safe so the 1000 LE games can officially begin shipping in a week or so.

They didn't exactly go to the New York Times with this information. They shot out an email to the folks on their WOZ email distribution list (i.e. customers) because people are constantly asking what the heck is going on? Status update, status update!! And they put it on their FB page. That's it. If you're a JJP customer and don't want that information then ask to be taken off their email distribution list. If you're not even a JJP customer then who are you to criticize them giving an update on progress? I don't understand why you care?

1) JJP's price increased because they increased the quality of the game significantly (i.e. LCD, RGB LED's, direct-print cabinet, etc. etc.) Stern may have followed but if JJP is successful how long can Stern keep their prices this high without increasing the quality of their own games?
2) 1000 is not an LE? Umm .. how many TAF Golds (the original LE) were there? Now .. 1500 Hobbit "LE's" may be more questionable, lol
3) We haven't seen the first "delivered" code set yet so who the hell knows how "incomplete" it is? The code could be much further along than anyone realizes. My own game won't arrive for a couple months so at a minimum mine will be much more complete and given the advertised "easy" nature of upgrading .. who cares?

What part of what I wrote was not true? What should I take back? Are you under the impression you cannot have yourself removed from JJP's email distribution list?
I was personally excited to see a completed game boxed and them ensuring their packaging is sufficient. If you don't care then why are you still reading this thread?
For all others crying that the OP "completely mislead you" ... it's an online discussion forum .. you were not just sold swamp land in Florida and taken for $50K. You click open a thread .. see it's not what you thought .. and move on. Is the sky really falling? He even changed the name of the thread hours after his original post.

Physically completed may be the most accurate .. but for all we know the code is also much more complete than anyone realizes.

Well, how do you define "complete"? Honest question ... just curious what you consider "complete" enough for you? What additional bare minimum do you need? The "T-O-T-O" rollovers should be working, fine. The crystal ball should be integrated into the game, fine. And the melting of the witch should be integrated and working, fine. All inserts working appropriately, okay, etc. etc. Does it need to have 3 modes minimum? 5 modes? 10? How many different multiballs makes it "complete" for you? Keith (and gang) can come up with new rules and ways to take advantage of game elements in a different way for years to come I'm guessing. They can always add additional video clips and music later too. So what will satisfy you as being "complete enough" to begin shipping? Again, honest question.

Gary? Is that you?

Obviously I can only speculate.
Maybe there really are physical game elements (we already know there is a surprise topper coming) that will be a complete surprise and any programming related (in any way) to those elements has been left out so as to not ruin the surprise? Maybe they just really want to wow the pinball community when the first games officially start shipping? Maybe they had not sufficiently tested certain aspects of the code? Or maybe the code really is all that we have seen and that's as far as they've gotten. Again, we don't know for certain. But I guess we'll find out soon enough.
If you're really disgusted by what you see in the first couple games shipped then I'm guessing you still have time to ask for a refund? Unless you are one of the first couple games.

We actually still don't know the full LE differences on the WOZ to be honest. Yes, the cabinet hardware is powder coated (as well as the wireforms on the playfield for that matter), and the apron certificate is unique, and we're now hearing the topper on the LE is unique too. But there may very well be more surprises that are LE specific (certainly some goodies in the goodie bag if nothing else.)

Oh, and there was talk at one time that they were looking to do something on the LCD to identify the LE's as well (no biggy but we'll see.)

He has no collection listed because he just made up that ID 30 minutes ago simply for the sake of throwing out a baseless (and childish) insult that he was too much of a wuss to post under his regular name.
Classic.

So I need to create a whole bunch of fake accounts now so when I feel the urge to call you a moron I can just pull one out? It's the create date that matters, huh?

Say what you want but a simple picture of the box has generated nearly 300 posts in 24 hours.

I can't imagine Stern feeling like they need to compete with every little JJP milestone or moment. JJP is the one that needs to play "catch up" and earn their credibility (which I think they'll do.) But I like having big Stern announcements/days and I like having a new company in the picture too. I hope they don't each feel like they're constantly competing for the bigger announcement at any given moment/event. I'll chalk the code release up to just coincidence.

I missed this previously. When the heck did Jack EVER "make it pretty clear he is going up against Gary"?? Quite to the contrary, Jack has always asked people to stop any negativity toward Gary and/or Stern (both on the WOZ forum and at public events) AND that he wishes nothing but the best for Stern and that they sell a million more games. He has stated this time and time again.

And it's Jack's company so I guess he can go with whatever business model he believes will be the most successful. I think he has more experience in this industry than the overwhelming majority of folks on here.

Great .. please show me the video dude. I'd like to hear the "slams" (where he specifically referenced Stern). Because I'm thinking it must also be on more than a dozen videos of Jack giving speeches at pinball shows stating he wishes nothing but the best for Stern and that they sell a million more games. I guess this original "slam" cancels out everything else he ever said after that.

How so?? Please, bring me up to speed!

lol, I'm so "damn confrontational"?? Okay, great comeback. Good luck with those court-ordered anger management classes.