Depends how far in what directions "era" refers to. I can think of some rare beauties slightly newer from Bally;

BMX
Radical
Escape From The Lost World (but not in a banana cab lol)
Heavy Metal Meltdown

so on, so on

Did I notice "Midway" in amongst all of that from Damian?

Way way way better than that reject of a thing CC!! For certain!

Still I rekon, good for this lot;

Radical
Skateball
Escape from the Lost World

To me he was just saying that Fathom only available with the hybrid playfield. Suggesting that all to follow will be the same deal as that. Centaur only available with hybrid playfield, so on, so on.

The problem with top layers not being fully adhered to the playfield wood is the potential for squishy void space between the polymer and the playfield wood.

Holding it down with posts and stuff will not give the same solid result as adhering the full surface of the laminate top layer to the actual playfield. It only takes tiny amounts of distortion of top layer to create a gap that will affect the ball behaviour.

I would be less wary if this hybrid playfield was laminated and bonded so as to be one piece. The way it seems like it will be is that it is not bonded, just "clamped down" in a few places but not in the middle where the ball rolls and reacts.

Maybe I have the construction details wrong?, but the way it sounds to me is that there is no bonding of the layers which to me is pretty important for multiple reasons. Things and bits and fine contaminant will certainly eventually find their way in between. Somewhat like with protectors except partiles end up beneath the art, but still hold a cushion like gap.

Some of the people all of the time

or

All of the people some of the time

never ; All of the people all of the time.

Some of the people some of the time is just a gimme , that could just be pleasing 2 or 3 of the people every now and then lol

The first part does not reflect reality. It is one of the demonstrable downsides to PF protectors, the crap that works its way in between from edges no matter how well fitted.

Glad you brought up distortion too, because that is exactly what posts will cause if clamped down onto loose plastic, even if it is 1/8" thick or whatever. The only way is for posts to not have much tension, but then they can move.

The quoted analysis is what is more of a "nuthing" burger. lol

Anyway the proof will be in the puding and time will only tell for sure. I do hope I'm wrong, but from an Engineering standpoint at least a degree of concern is waranted, small details that are imprtant do sometimes get overlooked. It only takes a thou of an inch to not be solid.

I say "hope" because I am in on a ME. I also use playfield protectors, despite their proven downsides, so I can tell you for a fact they do have a few shortcomings too.

But what would I know with about 3 decades experience in mechanical engineering.

"Pinball is hard"

Indeed. Although Elektra is rather different in some aspects.

Just saying, at the edges where drops and stuff is placed, no pinball grime is going to have any gap at all to work its way between over time?.

How much tension do I apply to a post so that it is tight but does not create any distortion?

I'm not very convinced, but I am happy to be wrong in my suspicion about this. More the longer term impacts I am curious about, and customer x-factor/impact/destruction can't be known for sure either, until a longer term has expired, and people have tried to adjust outlanes or change a rubber.

If it were bonded like a hardtop I wouldn't have anything to wonder about.

Yep I'm in on one anyway of course. I was never trying to suggest it was a deal breaker. Just saying I can't see it as ideal.

If there was the option for a traditional all wooden playfield, that would have been my choice. But there isn't.

I will certainly be very interested to see and play!.

And while I'm having a good old motherland whinge Lol ....

The other thing I would have probably thought about another way ... the coin door.

Is 4 pieces of angle ... and a hinge strip ... .... oh never mind. ha ha

I still bought it (deposit) even though I think the coin door looks horrible and clunky and out of place. There I said it.

I feel better now.

Pmsl

Okay mate, I get you don't -fathom- it

Never mind.

They will all sell, no worries!

With greater than 90% gone, and still people cottoning on nearly too late, and I think shipping for Canada? ... it's pretty much done I rekon. By tomorrow people that delay the longest might find "sold out". Who knows.

The team video there: Centaur, Paragon, Viking. I think those 3 will be in the list to come.

Returned a "Sold Out" for me just now ... still a little bit of time to go!?

That's what that fear thing's about ....

... missed out

Be interesting what proportion went overseas.

Ripper post mate!!

Lol Yep Bundy is kinda like Vegimite, some love it with a passion while some loathe it with a passion!

Waaait a minute!?! ... s'that someone channeling Homepin!??

Gramma' nazis I'm All Four It!

Also maths. Maths is awesome especially triggernometry!

No mate, seems more like some other people could be missing something.

People suffering a bit of the old parasitic mind, unfortunately.

Human nature and history repeating.

There is no reason for hold up of production due to this narative, none that are reasonable anyways. But unreasonable things do happen, so we'll have to wait and see I suppose.

I'm in no rush anyway. My stipulation to Damian is that I don't need my game built until after all of the international orders have been filled.

I just got word of my machine number; #92

My preferences listed at checkout were all unavailable. I got an email and had another go. I said if none in the second round were any good that he should pick one! Lol. Got an email reply today with that number quoted as my allocation.

I am sure Damian is working through and matching everything up. Notification will come.

We do Holden models around here too!, I'm a HX ... and that one was a seemingly popular demographic as well, taken early on by the sounds of the posts here.

Mermaid could have gotten around in the back of my birth-year Sandman Van, flamin surfie bus Lol, how appropriate it could have been to slide a Matching Numbers Mermaid into the back of a surfie hack!

Ahh yes, there is an XA Superbird hiding in one of these sheds here, but that old girl pre-dates me by about half a decade. Best model Aust Ford though imho.

Not that biased here, even though a Holden family through and through. Hemi is great too!.

Classic not plastic!

..

... I'm possibly even triggered and outraged as well !

*at the concept of Xmas being in Winter!? Wtf? Lol

Weren't you in early though? ... I rekon yours gets built before mine hey?

I'm 92, but I must have been later than the 200th ME sale. I bought in on the penultimate day.

I would guess the build order should align with the order of sales. Except the series buyers being first.

If someone was the 10th buyer and asked for #222, for example, then that would be opposite to my case.

I guess I just mean that perhaps receipt date (chronology order) would be the best indication of the order games might be built in.

My payment advice was 19th of May, 10pm ACST

The way it seemed to me from correspondence when my initial list of numbers were all unavailable, buyers whom requested no number were probably not allocated until after sales ended, and after all requests were reconciled. I did not get a list of remaining numbers, but did learn the highest and lowest numbers available at the time (54-244), so I sent another dozen picks and said I'd leave it up to them.

After all whom were requesting numbers actually had one, then I think the remaining build numbers would have been slotted to the unspecified# list of buyers. I have no idea how many that would be, but I guess they would be fairly well scattered through?

But is that the 58th ME purchase? ... or 58th Store purchase?

I mean the important data is most likely what date for the store purchase?

I also asked that my game can be built after all the international games are shipped, I'll be saving ... and later doesn't fuss me really. I will be right near the end there somewhere.

I'd say there will be multiple containers...

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On Special! AU$2.75 pk

This is it!

Exactly the way "DLC doesn't affect anyone whom doesn't want it" mentality exists.

Everyone starts getting cut down home versions with no doors in the front... then suddenly shock horror ... price gets to be the same anyway, and access to your game becomes more of a pain.

Now paying same for a cut down game that looks incomplete and is less convenient to access.

Like new flimsy cheap arse lockdown system that is not so secure for operators and a PITA. I converted my RaM to a conventional system it sucked so bad. Also the reason I flogged off my ACDC Ve, when those silly spring clips pulled out of the front inside of the cabinet by the screws.

Silly homer ideas being implimented that make things worse when there was no need to change anything to start with, except perhaps the pursuit of ever increasing profit. Get the homers out of pinball "re-invention". Lol

https://nitropinball.com/products/fathom-mermaid-edition-preorder

Might be able to swing something. Write some emails.

Yeah nah yeah it was real though.

No question.

Gonna be real again looks like, but perhaps a bit the other way. Assistance here not realistically available to smallest businesses this time. Clearing out loads of mum and dad livelihoods. Nobody seems to care is a bit surreal.

Others may come up for sale too, I'd say. They will sell quickly, just saying some people that ordered may have been a "special buy" for their budget and many are under additional financial stress now. ...

Back to the game ...

Fathom has been on my wish list basically since I started in pinball. Prior to having any games I started with VP in the early days, playing alot of Whitewater, BBB, ID etc. etc. ... and the only Fathom I have played yet is on VP. I bought a Maverick that was about shot, cheap, and it puzzled me... stored it for a year. Then purchased a well used Whitewater, working, and that was where it started! Lol

Now really excited for the Haggis revisit of Fathom, can't wait to play some! . Love the older games and found myself with some old Sterns and Gottlieb. Bally has been lacking.

I barely remember much of the original ruleset as I only ever played maybe dozens of games... but I've been studying up a bit...

So what does everyone think will be features of the 2.0 code?

Also, similar story for Cenaur revisited, maybe even more excited for that one. Re. the 2.0 updated Centaur rules as well?.

Also isn't that USD? ...

So 1500 > 5500

Does anyone think Viking might make the 5?

I got mine last week! ... which is weird then since I kinda believed I was a prick?

Anyway, don't worry about the odd delays, it's just while the people finish shooting the elephant in the room that half the world population is still pretending isn't there Lol

*completely non pinball related

I thought this was a Celts thread for a moment had to do a double-take :3

Yep, celts thread to a snake thread ... what's next ... anything goes except the topic I suppose

One of a very short list of mammals that lay eggs. :3

Mermaid lets you drown in the deep water. I thought the link was obvious!? Lol

That version of australia history is a totally out there fairytale, and most aussies have heads burried so deep in the sand they don't even know it themselves; believe it like gospel. Taught at school, must be right hey? lol. Australias "history" is the most nonsense full of holes joke of all the worlds fabricated histories.

The prisoners whom Were on the boats were brought to 'New Holland' not for stealing bread and petty crap like that but for attempting overthrow of corrupt govt. Put them with the white rebels (survivors) who were already here pre 1770s. After scratching the surface it starts to get even more interesting.

Way more lies in the world than anyone could have ever imagined. It's all about at the point of coming out now.

Australia may have the dumbest full of holes false history. But europe certainly has about the most harrowing false history setup. :3

Don't worry about the drop bear fairytale. Start collecting kangaroo feathers instead.

There is plenty of updates on the state of affairs for anyone prepared to investigate for themselves.

There's more going on than some people care to know about.

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Omg!?

Omg!

Yep, that's for sure. Or but then go next level and sit yourself in an L34 powered A9X Hatchback. Aussie built GMH baby!

These literally ran rings around the overweight Aussie Ford Coupes (which evolved into Australian XC Cobra). More than 6 laps back to the nearest Ford in this race. Holden LX A9X (non L34) Kerb weight: 2608lbs . 308ci L34 Holden V8 176 kW / 236 hp (SAE gross) @ 4800rpm, 434 Nm / 320 ft-lb @ 3400rpm. Stock from production line.

Yep all the good stuff wasn't required for homologation. I put the L34 gear into a T400 308 for my SS. Well stage3 for the cam anyways. Saginaw 4spd for taller diff. Commodore disc brake Salisbury with detroit locker.

The few dozen Bathurst cars were about 380hp? ... yerp, went like a cut snake.

Wow look, after beer, cars, and dick swinging ... finally the Olympic comes to join the party!

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Shouldn't leave the Titanic out!

Why on earth would they want to FF sink the new shiny undamaged one!?

Whitestar hey look at that, even has a name link to pinball!

I said I wanted to be left til After all of the Export games had been made. Last was fine too. Same sorts of reasons. But also know what it's like buying Spooky games when you're in Australia. I have an invoice, but trying to sell other games to pay that, bad economic conditions. Dire really.

Convid.

Pretty simple. But everyone still pretending in wonderland, so I guess they can't Really say the Actual reason for half of Australias businesses dematerialising, and being replaced with technocorp or other 'services'. Or why they're (most probably) extremely cash strapped like every other business after all the bulls#it and destruction that's occuuring.

My invoice is outstanding, sad to say. I have to sell a game for the funds (which was always the plan). I have Never been unable to sell a game before, but when your Tweaked OG Heighway Alien won't sell for what's basically us$8K and sits there for sale for months, thousands of people viewed the ads, and have to take the ad down with barely even an enquiry a month later. . . there is a cash/economy problem houston!

There is a massive white elephant plague going on. Ironic how the people do not see it . . . the elephant in the room is White, and it's Big!! lol

I support Haggis, and I know they're for real.. With emails, half the worlds people are being given the runaround by the 'Internet Messaging' systems, whatever they have done, updates changes and whatever. My sattelite 'NBN' hardly cuts the mustard for the usability now, and then there's the fake spam, and spam that gets to the inbox. It's become Absurd.

Anyway Angela did call me on the phone about my Mermaid only a couple of days ago. This came to pass because of the Email problems (which are/were mostly at my end with Losing mail from an email account which I ordered the game with), and because the Outstanding invoice (where the reply was just going to be Paying It; tomorrow when I sell the game, right). I've been trying to sell a couple of games to pay, for months it has been waiting to be paid.

I let her know in our call that I'm working on it, and apologised for the situation. But I am sure we were both well aware of the economic situation, the shhhhh topics as well.

What any would-be keyboard bashers need to realise it that Fathom Mermaid by the end will probably have cost them as much to Make and ship, as what they recieved from buyers, without profit, and that's optimistic I reckon, the way prices rose & are still rising. For EVERYTHING. The Longer It Takes Them to finish the More THEY Lose out by inflation in costs of materials and sevices. They would be Cash Poor, and trying to Stay above waterline right now, and yes I feel bad that I haven't covered the invoice. I will get it to them soon. But it is what it is okay, the convid depression and bganksters wars. Goin' down!. Strap yourselves in powder puffs, it's going to get bumpy, for most people it will be bumpy by surprise.

My hopes is, and I believe, that Haggis will make it through. Scottish ancestry

Lol I thought this was a Haggis thread not a . . .

Could be a name of a game . . . "FINKE"