Believe you can still order. When I was on Nitro's site the other day he was still taking preorders, showing 7 available.

This machine appears not to be coming anytime soon so plenty of people will drop out with other titles coming out.

Certainly has the Fathom layout but the original Fathom rollover the inserts are round with the the star rollover inside it. This appears they're cutting the star rollover into the pf itself. Interesting!

That makes complete sense! I forgot about them using the acrylic!

It's called a shameless plug gone wrong!

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August 2021 - Now pull the trigger!

Whilst I believe Haggis will deliver the games I think you have to ask yourself, why order now and have a deposit tied up? I mean you're going to be towards the end of the ordering line and by the time your machine is close to being shipped there will be owners selling their early ordered machines. You'll have a chance to play it and see if it's for you.

One thing I find odd with Haggis is the fact they were very active in posting up till the delays started. They took the "email us for status" approach. Why would you want to spend the time responding to individual emails when a post on places like RGP, Pinside etc. can eliminate several emails you have to reply too?

I understand that RGP and Pinside maybe makes up for 15-20% of their pre-orders but still ....

Per the Haggis website Mermaid is sold out. Not sure if a distributor would have any left but..

Is punkin and iceman44 one in the same?

and it can take WEEKS before it gets into port in LA. Port of LA is still backlogged and ships are just sitting off the coast. Then it has to go through Customs, which is a whole different story (I purchased an album that has been sitting in customers since Feb 24th).

As for a different way to look at Haggis, from another person that has no "skin in the game". At this time I see no difference in Haggis then what people went through with JJP. I waited years for JJP to deliver a game and yet here we are today with JJP selling out of LE and CE machines and backlogged with orders

Even today you order a machine from Stern and you have no idea as to when you may actually get it.

I think with Haggis a few things happened with them ...
1. Their Celts sales were well below their expectation. They have the parts to build more than they sold so if they can get people to still order the game it brings revenue in to their company. Same thing JJP did with the different editions of WoZ.
2. They announced Fathom way too early. Since they claim that they're in a wait and see for parts it's obvious they never had the parts to build the machines starting in July of last year.
3. DAMN CoVID has F everything up

Just a few thoughts from yet someone else that has NO IDEA as to what Damian is up to (so Pinbub if you read this please don't come and punch me in the throat!)

AGREE but Haggis is pumping out games, just on A LOT smaller scale. Also, is it that they're "oversold" or is it due to parts supply being low. Stern has said they're impacted but the parts supply. Well so is Haggis. Nonetheless comparing Haggis to Stern is not a good as it's two completely different business models.

Damn it, I was going to mention Black Arrow!!!! In the beginning of Hobbit production JJP was strapped and running more WoZ to helped them continue as they did have parts to build more WoZ where they didn't have the coin to buy parts for the Hobbit.

SO IN SHORT who cares what is this or what is that. At this point Haggis hasn't done anything to take their "investors" money. They're producing games, albeit at a slow pace!

I think we all forget that almost ALL of pinball businesses are started up by pinball hobbyist. Typically these are people that have had no history in manufacturing.

Lastly, the picture in the above post of the Celts figure, that is better than most of the figures that Stern puts in their machines (and I am a fan of Stern)!

You mean when there was only one pinball manufacturer and they were doing everything to stay afloat, oh yeah the good old days!
The speculation BS has always been there, we just now have the ease of the internet to get that "BS" out of one's head to the rest of the world!

5, 10, 15 years from now all the post will be .... remember when you use to be able to buy a machine and flip it for money? Now I have this 20k$ paperweight I cant give away!

Yeah but for the money spent on these machines you would think Haggis would stain and put a few coats of polyurethane on it at a minimum!!!

(there were too many positive posts in a row, had to break it up with a complaint of some sort!)

Swinks, you probably not the person to ask but incase this is something you discussed..... what about using polishes? For example, either the Novus route or even like a 3M paint polish?

If not the above then is it basically a surface that, over time, will wear and it is what it is?

Not to bust your pinBALLS but Fosters is a Japanese beer. Owned by Asahi Breweries out of Tokyo Japan

I listen to Kaneda, assuming that's who you're referring too, and don't recall him ever saying people were "not going to get their games". He said repeatedly over and over and over again (in broken record style) that he felt, something like, Damian would get everyone their game but that it will take a long time to get them. Lets face it, it's taken Haggis long time to start getting games out and there's a lot more people without their games then there are with!

If one is a Series Ticket Holder you have to wonder if you're going to live long enough to see all 5 games produced.

Nonetheless, Haggis is manufacturing and shipping games, beautiful at that, and that's what matters.

Quetzal Pinball

Anyone that listens to him knows must of his "news" is speculation. He even states it all the time by statin "rumor is" or "I predict". Basically he is the psychic of pinball as he's just throwing stuff out there.

As for using Covid as the reason, that I don't think applies here as we've been in a Covid state for over two years now. Haggis requested final payment from people which told them, per Haggis, their machines were ready to ship, when they weren't.

One thing I would like to know from Haggis is ..... with all the BS that Kadeda threw at Haggis you almost wonder if Haggis did in fact "stage" that video for his benefit (to prove him wrong). I mean people in the States are receiving their games about 6 weeks after that video was posted so games would've had to been boxed up and ready to go if not already in a container.

Not trying to defend/bash Kaneda or Haggis, just giving a different perspective!

Wow a lot of anger ... read my post again as I stated "I don't think it applies". Never stated that it "doesn't apply" but thanks for the rant!

Flynnibus we "should start a thread called “Why isn’t this happening?”"

You in?

I hope this doesn't impact these games or any games for that matter coming into the States but I had purchase a few records back in February. Still have to receive them and they show that they're still in Customs as of Feb. 22nd. I opened an investigation with USPS and actually received a phone call from them advising that the US Govt is now inspecting ALL packages that come in from certain countries. This means a package that use to take 2-4 weeks via boat can now take 6+ months.

Don't know all the countries that are on this "list" but I was taken back by this as my package came from Austria!

my bad, didnt mean to put words in your mouth.

I do listen to him and find some of his stuff interesting but he has given Haggis a lot of crap as well as others. He goes for the shock effect.

Nonetheless, again, hope you all enjoy the machine. Fricken thing looks awesome!

I am more an original machine person but seeing what Haggis has done with this and with what CGC has done with their remakes has changed that.

Yeah I had a ToM sitting back East and had a good offer on it to the point I sold it knowing CGC is going to remake it. When they do it will look great but (hopefully) they will also dree up the code.

Seeing what Haggis has done with Fathom be very interesting to see what they do next. Hopefully everything works in their favor where they can ramp up production.

Also might be that your email is going to his spam. You happen to send him an email via their Contact Us page?

https://haggispinball.com/index.php?option=com_creativecontactform&view=creativecontactform&form=15

Just a thought!

Question for those that have received their games, what are you paying in ways of duty charges? I know bringing a pin that was made in the US back into the Stated there's no charge but being these are not US made is their fees/taxes associated with them?

Haggis getting full payment far in advance of people receiving their machine has been going on since they first took payment BUT I don't think you need to worry. Also, you sent three emails but 2 of them were within the past 3 days. Say the first one went to Spam or whatever, the other two being sent this week I think you need to give them a little more time.

BTW -I don't have a machine on order.

Unfortunately Haggis has already spent this money.

Bit harsh for a Friday!

So true BUT the one difference between Punkin and Haggis is ..... you get a response from punkin!!

Always liked the Coopers Extra Stout.

I completely understand if there's issues/delays with them getting parts in thus the reason they can't manufacture a larger number of machines. Haggis is small company so they're not going to have the volume of parts on hand like Stern does. However, if this is the case, then why are they asking for more money from customers knowing that they're not close to shipping said customer's machines?

It’s a lot easier to hide behind the keyboard. No one will confront Haggis unless Kaneda is going.

Well at least Haggis has, not only, provided an update but one that is believable. So good for them!

Most felt that they were taking money in to keep the business going and not because buyer machines were ready. Is the next move to start looking for an investor??

I give Haggis credit for keeping machines rolling off the line but, to me, I feel we've seen this before. JJP comes to mind!

Agree, to me Haggis is guilty of poor customer service. They haven't followed in the footsteps or JPOP, Andrew Heighway or even Dutch Pinball (who to their credit is almost done completing all those EA games).

I mean we're talking about a guy that started a pinball business in his garage 3 years ago!

No sarcasm intended, have you seen any Centaur machines? I know they haven't finished Fathom so I would think Centaur is still yet to be made.

I know there's a lot of back n fourth on this thread, not trying to do the same. I assumed there's been a few built for Haggis to have at shows (Promotional purposes) but, again, I haven't seen any signs of them shipping any to customers.

I would think, here in the States, one wouldn't go to Haggis but the distro they put the deposit/final payment down with. Technically the machine was purchased with the distro and not directly with Haggis. I don't know this for certain but it seems it would be the case.

If your dist, whoever it may be, isn't going to help you in a time when they should, do you really want to continue that "relationship"?

Thanks for the clarification. So you would need to follow jokerpoker's post if you were looking for a refund.

Unfortunately this shows a truer picture as to how bad things are and how much Damien was hiding things when he said all Fathoms would be completed by year's end, amongst so many other communiques. It appears the only update that seems to be true is the one were he advised they need to recapitalize.

Hope this all works out for everyone, including Haggis. They put out a nice product.

I'm just imagining how many people have watched that video and then put down a deposit? You know there some people that did!