Quoted from Screwloose:

If I lived in Geelong I would happily drive to Melbourne to pick my machine up.
lol I'm thinking about driving from Taree to pick it up in my Brumby.

Quoted from oldskool1969:

Nope all good, should see my Celts next week.

Quoted from c818919taylor:

Are the LCDs required for the 2.0 license or is that going to be some DLC that can be added to the classic (through emulation?)? #sbc
400 Billion stars in our galaxy alone…
And submarines call for FAR Part 30 & 31/DFAR Subpart 225.73 & Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. Chapter 39).

Quoted from jardine:

It's interesting that Haggis has had to close. They are manufacturing, as is my business, and we didn't close.
I am actually in the construction industry side of things and even with the 2 week closure of this industry...we still didn't close.
Couldn't find an updated permitted industry so if someone does...feel free to correct me but the photo shows who can work and stay open.
I just know that a lot, A LOT, of small businesses are operating through lockdowns because...well...tbh...f*ck the government!
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Quoted from mtn-:

Haggis posts alot of interesting stuff from manufacturing on Instagram.

Quoted from bane:

It’s not hard. Just tell us what is going on. Not too much to ask, really. Some might call it common courtesy.

Quoted from bane:

Man, I must have missed the Kool aid party some here apparently attended. I’m not sure if there are Haggis employees posting in this thread, or just some who are just that enthusiastic.
I don’t care if the manufacturer is Australian or from Atlantis. No nationality is more or less likely to produce a pinball game or an air conditioner. Stop with the jingoistic responses.
What the hell is going on? That’s what we want to know. Tell us. And no, I won’t be quiet about it. We have been patient enough.

Quoted from punkin:

I used the room for this.
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ZeroRegretsPunkin

Quoted from punkin:

Yes from Geoff Frazer the creator.
It's beautiful to play. I can't stop and I've been playing 10-20 games a day for weeks.
I've been tuning it at the same time as playing. Have an MRS coming from Sonic for the horseshoe loop where the rollover doesn't always register. Did the backglass in led's, had the lot in there but took 25 led's back out the other day to give the real sunset view. Have new bumper caps coming as it only has two originals (and they don't fit the caps). Using this art for the caps, spinner and standup targets once i line up a printer.
Also have titan clear rubbers coming, will be doing black flipper buttons etc. Still thinking about blacking out the rails and adding the purple black shine to parts, dunno about that yet, but one of my players for sunday comp is a powder coater.
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It's the most beautiful pinball machine I've ever seen and I am so lucky to have it.
#6 of 7 and the only black one in the world.
It's basically a Bally 8 ball in the playfield and the rules. They don't have the greatest reputation, but my second favourite machine is a Hankin Orbit1 that has nearly identical playfield.
Single level games are my favourites, so looking forward to Celts and Mermaid joining the lineup.

Quoted from punkin:

Little birdie told me that the silver and purple Melbourne Storm coloured one may be coming up for sale. It's in Western Australia.

Thanks mate, he has done an exceptional job. I don't know who did the art, but they captured the decade of surf culture perfectly. Wish Cap'n goodvibes was on it.
It will be cleaner again when i finish it with the little touches i'm planning, and will always be somewhere, for someone to love. Very tempted to send it for a full resto. The outside is really nice, but i'd love it to be shiney and new inside too.
Anyway, Haggis!

Quoted from punkin:

Luckily you don't have to move a body. Just a pinball machine.
Freight still moves mate.

Quoted from jokerpoker:

Way better game and deal.

Quoted from Pinballer31520:

Bought Fathom because I thought Damien was a nice and honest person. Kaneda Podcast is spot on despite the haters here.
Haggis pinball deceived us with the production timeline and continues to do so. Were any machines shipped in January as promised ?
Some here say Damien will not give them a straight answer. The fact is Haggis is burning money and Celts did little to help the finances.
All of our deposits were spent on Celts and if Fathom is ever produced we will be all asked for money up front to help pay for it to be made.
Then even more of our money will be in their accounts with us having nothing to show for it but empty promises.
The virus cannot be blamed for the dishonesty and noncommunication from Haggis.
WHERE ARE THE PRODUCTION PHOTOS OF HAGGIS ON THE LINE? SHOW PROOF OR SHUT UP.
They will never make it treating customers this way. I did get a koozie and some stickers for my thousands invested.
ok fanboys jump on this post. like Jack Nicholson said " You don't want the truth - you cant handle the truth ! "

Quoted from PinPatch:

Apart from the covid BS lockdowns us Melbournians have gone through over the last two years it is almost impossible to get factory workers of any skill level.
There would be signs for 15-20 jobs within 300 metres of our business in an industrial area. I have never seen that in the 30 years I have been based there.
Not making excuses for transparency but no one would have seen this job demand 6 months ago.

Quoted from Pinballer31520:

2 Mermaid ordered

Quoted from Pinballer31520:

dont understand your post . dumb

Quoted from John_I:

I really wish there was an option for choosing powercoat colors for the Mermaid like they did with Celts. I understand why they didn't because it's easier to make one type, but I really don't like chrome.

Quoted from gdonovan:

Stern is running their line flat out on a dozen titles, Haggis only has to produce one.
Does that compute?

Quoted from gdonovan:

I see it does not compute.
Stern is shipping product as quickly as they can get them off the line, Haggis is not.

Quoted from gdonovan:

You guys are making my case for me.
To answer your question, I have already stated my interest but clearly not listening.
Bye.

Quoted from Rjbdmdmd:

keep it professional. fashion and hairstyle posts about pinball manufacturing personnel (all companies) although amusing should be below the level of discussion of what we want in the forums.

Quoted from d0n:

Only 5 more days until a new update video is released! 3/1/22 I'm betting! GO HAGGIS!

Quoted from flynnibus:

Haggis hasn’t- that’s just some of the natives making up that excuse. They are just trying to turn things rather than face the real answer as their way of trying to push the questions away.
As you point out - it makes zero sense. Of course those same natives ignore those who have sent emails and don’t get the answers either.
It’s the same old song and dance… dosge, deflect, repeat

Quoted from chalkup8:

hey gold 1 . your pinball collection is fake .
Are you Haggis ?
This thread is turning into a shit show . Where the F is the game ?

Quoted from razorsedge:

Omg!

Quoted from mjmpin:

All, I have an opportunity to purchase a restored original Fathom. Although I have not been overly concerned about the timing of getting my mermaid from Haggis. After a long self debate, I decided I want to have the original.
So - if anyone would like to have my mermaid slot through a US distributor, please message me and we can arrange a deposit transfer, i.e. you make a deposit and mine will be refunded. Already cleared with my dealer. I have been advised my slot is "mid run"
thanks!

Quoted from Gotfrogs:

Is there a private group for people that have a Fathom on order? If so, how do I join?

Quoted from flynnibus:

You either don't read my posts - or are so wound up you can't see clearly. The argument of "no skin in the game" is so tired and trite. If you see something you don't agree with, counter with something more convincing. The "no skin" argument is just a deflection to try to silence people saying what you don't want to hear.

Quoted from flynnibus:

You created your own safe space to shelter in - Why are you even here?
I didn't have to come clean - those reading along have actually had this conversation before. I just didn't feel the need to answer your meaningless question. Now don't you have a safe space that needs tending?

Quoted from Screwloose:

And I wonder... If Damian were to swallow his pride, turn round & say "Sorry guys... I but I am going to need to increase the price per machine to get them built or I will go under." How many of you guys will accept the "State of the Nation" & accept a price increase?

Quoted from c818919taylor:

Arent they too busy with a Frasier reskin?

I'm waiting for alex to post an unboxing video of his #30 mermaid. What's the tracking info on that game alex?

Quoted from Screwloose:

No time for pinball. Too much commenting, speculations & assumptions to make. I'm sure I will get around to pinball one day.
I have a few machines here.... I might Google how to turn them on.
After that I might Google how to turn the missus on.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

If you knew 1% of what i know it would send you into a Spin. Rather be smart enough to realize not to use customers money like all the rest have and failed.

Quoted from Cobray:

I consider pinside to be a large sampling of the pinball community and treat posts as such in every thread, not just this one. Sure having a deposit down on a game means you're into it for money, but I'm not sure how that somehow translates into being the only ones that can speak to the circumstances we are seeing with Haggis.
People put deposits down and were told the balance would be required when the machine was boxed and ready.. that is NOT happening. At what stage should anyone be concerned?

Quoted from rai:

Can anyone summarize the situation?? If I was to buy somebody’s spot, is there a worry about if the games will be built and shipped?
I just wouldn’t want to pay ‘extra’ above the initial deposit to get in on a chancy situation.
Thanks

Quoted from RA77:

Haggis has achieved more in under 3 years, that jjp has taken 6 years.
Amazing work Haggis.

Quoted from Pinball-Wiz:

I know someone in the states that has a order in and has sent their cash, and he's being super quiet about it publicly and doesn't want to cause waves.. he only wants his game lol.
I am of the opinion that there are a lots of buyers here doing the same thing, staying low and keeping fingers crossed that they get their game. And I am not saying anything that I believe Haggis will or will not deliver... only what I think is going on by poking around some with buyers or "funders".
I would estimate that there are several dozen people that have sent their cash in advance and there may be almost a quarter of a million dollars (U.S.) advanced before games are shipped. What is shocking to me is the lack of numbers of actual games being seen in the U.S. given the number of buyers here. I know Cointaker has one, and there are a few, but this far along with so much money being sent out, where are all of these games? Even when TBL was held back and coin taker got a batch, we saw a lot more of them when they shipped and those were certainly low numbers.
I can't imagine that there are dozens of US buyers just waiting a half a year for a container to fill up... if you bought this game and have waited this long (and you are a buyer in this hobby of games), the $1500 shipping cost doesn't seem out of line. I've paid $600 to ship a game in the U.S. alone, and when you buy a NIB stern you can get almost $1K in taxes and shipping when you buy an LE.. so all of a sudden all of the Fathom buyers are the hobby cheapskates unwilling to pay for expedited shipping?

Quoted from Pinball-Wiz:

It's somewhat funny you mentioned the lotto... because to buyers sending full payment to a company 1/2 a year ahead of the game being ready to ship when the company said the payment would only be needed at the time the game was ready to ship.. it kind of is the lotto. Now I'm not saying people aren't going to get their games or are in fact going to get their games... but the production has been amazingly slow and lots of money going one way without games going the other way.
I've been watching the numbers closely (order numbers especially and who's sent $$), and how it compares historically to other boutique pinball releases, and while people are getting just the bare minimum to keep them happy (no updates and the once every 2 months picture of a new game someone got in Australia), is it really enough? I've owned my own business and slow and low is NEVER good for the long term.

Quoted from Pinball-Wiz:

I mean, you could say that your blind defense is... even worse. Yes, I know an exact order number that was paid for in advance and according to Haggis, they are shipping by order number as long as the person pays up front when requested (there could be a swap in order number if one person pays their invoice before the other if invoices are sent to multiple numbers and the latter number pays first). I know of order numbers that are much farther in number that were also paid in full that are sitting unfulfilled. Even if there are a few numbers that don't count (for whatever reason), there are still a significant amount of pre-pays out there. And by pre-pays, I mean machines PAID IN FULL as though the customer is buying a finished machine.
I admire your blind defense, but if we're being honest here Haggis is NOT TRANSPARENT and went from frequent updates to rare updates, to NO UPDATES as time passed. And that coincides with more payments being made in full in time. Not the best pattern, don't you think?
I want Haggis to succeed.. but in order to succeed, people need to receive their NIB paid for pins! At this rate, it will be 3 years for the rest of the Mermaid editions to get built and shipped... especially to the USA.

Quoted from Rjbdmdmd:

The individuals who are touting receiving their machines and not disclosing their order number, date of purchase and series ticket holder status when asked are complicit in haggis deception.
I got my machine and everything is great without disclosure should not be an acceptable community standard.
I paid my deposit when asked and they as told me 8 weeks and some machines were being shipped. I had my doubts and entering 12 plus weeks now since payment, I am now very unhappy. I may sell my spot or pursue other options depending on Haggis's response.
Everything is not great with Haggis and the emperor might not have any clothing.

Quoted from cooked71:

Pretty sure he’s just talking about a deposit.

That’s a bit rich. If you go back and follow this thread I’m sure you can work the time periods out. I’ll happily share info, just got to look it up at work.
Here’s an overall timeline from another post I made in CGC thread, together with some other manufacturers for comparison:
- Haggis Mermaid - Deposit paid 27/4/21, received 27/10/22 - 548 Days
- Spooky HWN/UM - Deposit paid 15/7/21, received 20/10/22 - 462 Days
- CGC CCR LE - Deposit Paid 2/12/21.......... If the Australian container left today it would be about 60 days to me, so 380 days so far Plus 60 days - 440 days and counting.

Quoted from Cobray:

First and foremost, good for Haggis and this beautiful, quality built machine. If it was garbage, the resale price would not stand IMO.
Machines are arriving in the USA and it's glorious. The fact that some sent full payment and were promised a 2 month timeline for shipping after said full payment and were at 5-6 months without a game and expressed concern... bothers you? And then, after said game arrived, which happened to be almost 2 years after they ordered the game, you are critical that they aren't keeping it and asking over what they paid when the sell it? IN THIS HOBBY?? I don't know if I'd call a 2 year wait and putting $10K out for 1/2 a year "more front than a department store".
I don't want to repeat what others have said.. but.. this is the pinball market and I think the Haggis Mermaid Fathoms are probably worth paying up for (my opinion). I saw one at Cointaker, and there was nothing that felt cheap or cost cutting about the game (unlike the new Sterns). Quite the contrary, it just oozes quality and fullness.

Quoted from Pinball-Wiz:

I totally understand the moaning for the delays at Haggis and feel the moaning was somewhat justified back then... and I am on the side of Haggis and want them to succeed. I think you're missing the point why there was so much moaning though- Haggis stopped communicating with everyone, normal updates stopped, and things changed all of a sudden.
I think things have been smoothed over now though.

Quoted from Cobray:

I'm not sure why you care so much about people wanting their machines and then doing what they want with it. Jesus, look at every single rare/hard to get game (which this is) and it's in EVERY SINGLE THREAD. Get over it.

Quoted from Aqua1122:

What are you talking about? You make no sense.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

OK if all remaining Fathoms are to be made by the end of the year I will bare my arse in Bourke street. Only way will be if idiots signup and pay money on another Pyramid scheme 100% trading whilst Insolvent

Quoted from John_I:

For years I have been looking for a Fathom. I used to tell friends that a Fathom on fire would sell at auction for $5000. After seeing crappy worn out Fathoms going for $5000+, all I wanted was a new Fathom with LEDs and modern board set. All the other bling, projectors, chrome, plastic playfield, however many speakers and the 2.0 software means zero to me. That's why I ordered a Classic Fathom. Many times over this long wait I have wished that this all had been handled completely differently. If you are going to remake games, remake games. If you are going to completely re-engineer games, re-code the games and spend ten times the effort, create new games and let someone else remake the classics.
If I was king, these would have been made and sold at a profit for less than a Stern Pro price. Sure go ahead and fix any software bugs and maybe add a skill shot or ball saver, but make it run on the Alltek Systems board set. Have a nice solid cabinet with high res decal or even painted stencil. All new parts. Wood playfield. Real backglass. LED displays. Done. Sure you can offer an LE too for those that want it some simple bling upgrades. Just knock out simple, new, nice re-pop Bally games. They would probably already be on the third game by now.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

Unlike Haggis I have the money to support my comments.
when are Haggis going to give the Fathoms they owe to all that created the game and promised.
Where is Lachlan, where is Scott where is Stuart, where is Greg, where is Duck Pinball all that are left are dumb and dumber

Quoted from oldskool1969:

3 more coming this way and one is mine, woo hoo!
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Quoted from oldskool1969:

THIS IS PROFESSIONAL PHOTOSHOPPING

Quoted from Ballypinball:

Not at all, its just i am 10 mins away and know all the ex staff and the owner of the building, and hear the same stories daily from my customers paid in full 8 months ago and still waiting, take a deposit sure, balance when games are ready.

Quoted from greenhornet:

My opening question was a rhetorical one. The point of my post was to share how disingenuous I felt it was for Damien to use the pandemic as an excuse as if he was caught off guard.
Haggis makes a superior quality product and I'm glad to see they stuck it out despite the adversity, but being over two years late on a stated 6 month build is a significant miss.
In addition, I believe they have painted themselves into a corner with this 5 game series of Bally remakes. I don't see games 3,4,5 being viable. They won't represent a value at Haggis' current pricing relative to those in the secondary market. I believe they shelf the program after Centaur.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

As a Bally Licensee the game must have product Liability Insurance, they should be shipping you new power supply and pc a year ago.
all the money has gone, anyone any good have already jumped ship.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

Well someone who has been in the Industry for 30 years
There is no Reason to Pay anything more than a Small Deposit until the bloody game is built! If you need money to run your business go get a loan or mortgage your own house instead of using customers interest free loans.
Customers are all un secured creditors with no chairs when the music stops.
I am Glad you got your game but many who have paid in Full haven't.
Maybe we should start a list of who has paid in full and how much and still waiting, I bet it adds up pretty quick.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

and Attention Pinball Enthusiasts,
It has come to our attention that many new Stern pinball games are being sold privately in Australia at inflated prices.
Whilst there is nothing we can do to control this and for the benefit of the pinball community at large, buyers need to be aware that private sellers/auctioneers are not governed by the same consumer laws as legitimate suppliers/manufacturers/businesses.
AMD’s warranty has been and continues to be non-transferable between ownership.
If you buy a new pinball from a private seller/auctioneer, your recourse is with whom you buy the game from.
AMD will always continue to support all new Stern Pinball games with service, parts and technical support, however warranty is not transferable between ownership.
This is not an invitation for discussion or debate, buyers just need to be aware.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

You are 100% wrong I still assist several Licensees with help and the more manufacturers the better, I hope they make thousands of games, it's taking full payments and not supplying games is what i have a problem with.
No need to pay 100% upfront and wait 6-12 months for any game.
I still have certain rights which I won't make public as it formed part of the agreement and our working relationship.
PPS paid me a lot of money and should be able to get a return on that investment. Remember the more manufacturers the more games and parts I sell, so why would i be against any Pinball Manufacturer licensed or not, makes no sense.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

Why are you here, How is your Heighway Alien Going, Because like PPS more money in Licensing parts and sales than manufacturing
So its ok for them to Promise to deliver a Product in 6 weeks if full payment is made 7 months ago but deliver nothing and that puts pressure financially and even refund requests are ignored, it will all come out where is Kaneda.
I think Damien should spend less time on his failed property venture https://hartlandplace.com.au/ and more on getting these paid in full orders out.

Quoted from oldskool1969:

Wasn’t it meant to be crock hunter or am I thinking something else?

Quoted from SKWilson:

Oh, crap!

Sheesh!
Y'all, I had no idea it had gotten this bad. I knew they didn't finish as promised, but this is ridiculous! I seriously like what they're doing, but I'm quickly losing faith. I would've loved to order a Centaur, but I'm kinda glad I didn't. I hope everyone gets their machines.
(I should point out that a buddy and I decided to air ship our games and they suddenly became available a couple weeks later.)

Quoted from thekaiser82:

You are correct. It doesn’t. When I paid in full in Feb ‘23, I opted for container shipping. I was told 12 week build time. Then a container went out to the US around August and my game didn’t make it on. It wasn’t built and ready. I was told another container should go out this month or next, but my game still isn’t built. They are at least communicating with me, but I wouldn’t think I see this game before June. Last I talked to them a few weeks ago air freight wasn’t an option because the game isn’t built. So, the wait continues. I fully admit I am the idiot here. I am generally a very trusting person in life and give people the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Hindsight is 20/20, but I should have walked away from my deposit and waited. They are easily available now for less than I will have in the game if I get it. I wasn’t smart enough to see that at the time.

Quoted from Khabbi:

It's only fair that anyone who has paid in full and has waited 6+ months should be able to get a refund if they want.. the money was supposed to go to a completed game, and if that is not there and the game has not been built, a refund should be issued..

Quoted from Cobray:

Stop being a shill for Haggis, it's a bad look for you. I know you're from Australia and you're buds with them. It's no wonder you are here to trash the people that have paid money and are customers to Haggis like THEY are the bad guys here.. The customers haven't broken any terms or expectations. If anything, the Haggis customers are the ones that believed in the company. Now you are saying that buyers of games should not be able to sell them after they received them YEARS after they initially expected to get them? Ok bud. Comical that you'd attack a paying customer and defend what Haggis has done.
I think you said before that people that didn't own games or have something invested into Haggis shouldn't have a say, now you're saying that owners of games should just shut up? Think you need to reread my last post and not add things that I did not say.

Those T&C were broken right out of the gate by Haggis when they started taking money not only weeks before a game was ready to ship (they said when they were ready to ship), but now months.

Quoted from PinStalker:

PB serves the Eurozone, which was roughly 40% of B/W's market in the 90's.
They have no problem since they can live off their domestic marketplace.
All the raw materials are either in their backyard or can be moved in via train. Easy and cheap.
How much of the Haggis output is consumed domestically? 5%?
Where are the trees you need? Half a world away.
Makes a lot of sense.
For the record, I haven't called you anything nasty in the previous 100 pages, nor was I being nasty to you now.
I don't know who set you off, or who you were fighting with before, or what the issue was.
The issue I brought up is Haggis is structurally unsound.
I don't know Damien or whomever else is over there, maybe they are pinball geniuses, I don't know.
In my opinion, you can be a thinktank and design house anywhere.... it doesn't mean you produce your product in the same place.
If they were smart and want to compete: push production to the USA. It would instantly double or triple sales and production.
VW sucked it up and designs in Germany and builds in the USA. Same with Toyota. Same with BMW. Same with Mercedes. Same with TSMC (soon).
No offense - just facts. It's not personal. Haggis needs to course correct now before it's too late. Would you prefer to lose a little pride about building in Australia at any cost and end up burning players when the doors close? Or be sustainable and survive in the long run?

Quoted from PinStalker:

Does it have the ones you need however? Stern uses Russian bitch with a maple laminate ..... CGC whatever B/W used (probably Canadian hardwood). Whatever company, you need old growth (cold climate) forest for the hardness factor and dense ring formation (similar to how guitars and pianos need the same type of formation to be really good).
Steinway gets rock hard maple from Alaska for their piano soundboards, as does Mason and Hamlin.
No one uses warm climate woods for applications needing a good hardness factor of any larger size... if they could, they would: it's a lot cheaper.

Australia is mostly a desert, and is warm everywhere. It has eucalypts trees as their primary hardwood - everything else is softwoods: completely unfit.
See above. Their logging industry is TINY.
Does Haggis import the wood for their PF's? Of course they do!!! If a domestic solution was available, they'd use it. Trees from half a world away.....
Structurally unsound business model.

Quoted from Haymaker:

Is Haggis using ironwood to make their cabinets and playfields? No? OK, then who cares.

Quoted from PinStalker:

And who uses this Ironwood for PF's? Oh right.... no one.
Lost in the weeds, and avoiding the real question......
Eye on the prize: debunk my contention that Haggis has an strategically unsustainable business and production model driven by their chosen manufacturing location.
You may not want it to be true, but it is.
Next.

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Quoted from Cobray:

Disagree. Several Aussies on here have attacked anyone that asked simple questions or showed any concern. Gold1 even attacked an owner selling a Mermaid, chastising them as a "Flipper", etc. This was a customer and someone who actually supported Haggis.. and THEY were the bad one, while absolving every single issue or concern about Haggis and Damian as "OK". [quoted image]

Quoted from Khabbi:

Hi Gold1,
Your assumption and attack on me as a "flipper" was ridiculous and surprising.. but I see why now that I've read this thread. I never said anything about price except that "I was SURPRISED no one wanted my machine at a $2,000 loss". You took what I said and made it a negative for whatever reason (to defend Haggis or something, like you appear to do throughout this thread).
For your information, I bought my Mermaid Fathom because of my absolute passion for the game.. I was super excited and got in early, hence how I got LE#4. I love the 1981 Bally/Williams games, including Centaur, and I honestly thought I'd be buying a Haggis Centaur also. I purchased the Mermaid Fathom because it was exciting to see all new code and a high quality build for a game I love even though I own a high end Restored Fathom (one that I would say is THE best playing Fathom I have ever played also, btw). For the record, I also own an incredibly nice/minty Centaur, and a (undocumented) HUO Medusa (yes, home use only). I am very happy with my '81 collection as it sits and had no idea how the Haggis Fathom was going to end up, but I wanted to give it a chance... and I have been nothing but supportive of Haggis throughout the entire process. I want them to succeed, and put my trust into them by sending them my money and waiting also. Very happy I got my machine even though it took so long. Ask your buddy, Damian. There was zero grief and nothing but support from me.
In the meantime, I played several Haggis Fathoms in other peoples collections (including at TPF), and while they are great, I realized I absolutely could not get rid of my High End restored Fathom and obviously didn't want both at the same time in my limited lineup. I love my 1981 Fathom, and I know it would be a mistake in the end to get rid of it. On top of that, when I ordered the game I had much more room in my floor plan, but it took over a year more than expected to get it, and during that time I became packed with machines and needed room/didn't want to put more games in storage. I still held the game in storage just so I wouldn't regret moving it too fast (again, I got #4, so if I was flipping, it would have made more sense to dump it right away).
As far as being called a flipper, you couldn't be more wrong. I bought my first pinball machine in 1999, and since I have owned almost 100 pinball machines. I also collect and have a decent size collection of original 80's arcade machines. I started slowing down in about 2018, and with the games I sold over the years, I realized I never wanted to sell if I didn't have to as I missed some of the titles I lost. Since 2020, I HAVE ONLY SOLD 2 MACHINES total.. the rest I have in my collection or controlled climate storage. I don't need to sell the Fathom either.. I don't care if I have to keep it!
So please, tell me why the personal attack? And like some have said, I don't see one post where you draw conclusions about what Haggis is doing/what they have done.. surprising given how it appears to be a trait lol.
Here's my collection of 1981 Bally/Williams btw. Again, if things were better and pricing was similar, I would be highly considering buying a Centaur. I did talk to Damian at TPF extensively also, great guy! I almost bought into the series ticket as a matter of fact.
I wasn't going to respond, because it was obvious that you are just abrasive to most here.. but now I have.
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Quoted from Mark000:

I paid in full last November still waiting

Quoted from Grantman:

We are here. I put together this list just from the last few pages:
dyopp21: paid in full (Classic) in May 2022 (!), not built or shipped
thekaiser82: paid in full in February 2023, not built or shipped
Amused_to_Death: paid in full in May 2023, not built or shipped
John_I: paid in full in October 2023, not built or shipped
Grantman: paid in full in October 2023, not built or shipped
Feel free to post here if you are also paid in full and still waiting for your Fathom so we can get a fuller picture of what's going on.
If they never set aside games for the container, there will never be enough games to fill a container.

Quoted from Boof-Ed:

You know people can say they own the game without having it in their possession? I wouldn’t be using those owners lists as confirmation of ownership. 3 of those five above are on the owners lists and don’t have a game.
Only Haggis really knows how many are out there and I don’t think they will share that until they are all made.
Perfect example here. Definitely not 100 pulp fiction owners out there.
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Quoted from Grantman:

How do you know this?
Cointaker is a dealer? How did they ship them 5 games? Container or air freight? If it was a container, where are the rest of the games?

Quoted from Grantman:

I didn't see any answers to my questions. I WANT games to be shipped, obviously, but see no evidence of this. All I see are paid customers like me waiting and waiting. Jarson and Pinchild paid in full and had to wait OVER A YEAR before their games actually shipped out. That's ridiculous. Meanwhile, no update from Haggis in 5 months.
It's just nonstop spin with you people.

Quoted from LORDDREK:

Yeah it’s a real stretch to find fault in words like “recapitalize” and “further delays” when one has paid in full several months earlier…

Quoted from Ballypinball:

Ryan C has nothing to do with Haggis, Its Marty who works for Haggis, I feel sorry for him. Using Bally IP adds credibility to a company like any licenses, they needed to do the spooky model, buy parts to build 20 games at a time from a Parts Supplier. Not manufacture every part themselves and re invent the wheel like their flipper bats that break. They can't slow down any slower than a couple of games a week other than close down the factory and go back to making 1-2 games a week from Home, reduce overheads.