So how do I pre order?

Yeah, that's a good question. I, too, wish know this!

Thank you, David!

So I've honest to God have been wanting a centaur and fathom. Now will be a good chance to get both soon!

Prepare yourselves for the waves of mermaid edition people in here that suddenly have "medical bills" and wish to sell their spots.

I'm saying this now as you can still pre order this at the time of me making this post; to anyone doing this in the future: fuck you. Buy it because you want it, you bastards. Not because you want to screw your fellow pinheads.

These will be gone by today for sure

Well see, you say that, but as of now they're almost gone already. So... it looks like they asked exactly the RIGHT price, sadly.

Great to hear! I'm excited

Confirmed by whom? Did they email you your info?

I also have an order in and haven't heard back, either.

Dude.... no. Why on earthy would they do that?

I'm a little nervous as I have still not received an email about me getting the mermaid edition, officially, yet. Everyone knowing their numbers is freaking me out.

I mean, must not have if punkin ordered one just now.

You know, if they can sell beatles for over 10k, I feel that this game should sell fine.

The only game that I can see that is feasible with this price point in mind is Centaur.

So when do we get a stream of this?

Whaaaaaaaat??? I asked for 77 many weeks ago. Boo.

Don't expect them in July. I think a realistic time frame would be winter.

They begin in July. Just trying to temper expectations.

Edit: Allow me to clarify. Expect many months to pass before you may take your pinball machine. Many months past July. So Christmas time. If you're Jewish, then Hanukkah time. If you're agnostic, then santa time. I hope this clears up any confusion.

So I was speaking to a fella in the northern hemisphere. For him, winter is december. My target audience knew what I meant.

I amended my post. You're absolutely right. Thank you.

Congrats. #85, here!

Only speculation at this point. It is all but assured that Centaur will be one.

Well, I mean, I know of one person that can't trust him from this thread. And he doesnt ever shut up.

You're surprised? I find that very sweet and endearing.

I initially put money down on one of these.... what was it, 3 years ago? Luckily I was able to get out. Now, seeing the state of affairs, I am super glad I did. :/

*Says this forum "isn't for being a dick to people"

....Immediately is a dick to people.

Your lack of self awareness is approaching sorta sad levels. You don't realize how combative you are, and how you may not actually be an infallible human. Why not give this thread a little break and let it get back to it being about Haggis, and less about us gawking at your deteriorating mental illness?

I would be super scared to be in your shoes to be honest. Good luck man.

I'm sorry for stating the obvious, but if Haggis needs money in advance to build games already paid for, the math doesn't add up to me how people at the end of thos roller coaster will be taken care of; when all the money dries up and was used simply to get there, but not make it yet.

I'm building person A's machine with person B's money. But when it comes time to build person B's machine, but there is no person C money to build THAT from.... someone is gonna get fucked at the end of this whole thing. All the while, we are watching people sell theirs on a second hand market for cheaper than you paid and you haven't even gotten your game yet.

Doesn't look good.

It doesn't add up that they have to be paid this far in advance.

I own an outrageously nice Centaur, but is isn't $12000 fun, or whatever the hell they're going for now.

Guys, I hate to interrupt our geography lesson here.

I find it very curious. There are stating to be two types of people posting in here: You have people nervous or concerned about the way Haggis is running business, and then you have Australians. There seems to be very little overlap.

To our Australian friends, you simply must know that the rest of the world is pretty damn nervous about the state of Haggis and where much of their hard earned money has been for months and months. I would hope you'd look at this through a more objective lens.

No matter how much they're gonna fuck someone over. Got it.

I'd love to go to a restaurant with you, and have the waiter finally give us food 7 hours after taking our order. So help me god you better not get upset.

Well one guy here was trying to sell his spot with GAP for 4k. I doubt he will get it and may have to take a loss to move it.

It's more surreal for me, as from my point of view they're arguing with an apparition.

Here is a post that sounds like I've quoted someone in this thread.... sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Obviously in thr middle you see it is about heighway... snd we all know what happened there. It sounds like it fits Haggis right now perfectly.

Of course we all know what happened to heighway, but about this time in the life cycle, not unlike Haggis, people were still cautiously optimistic. However a lot of people could see things were failing. But we still had people backing them, ever hopeful.

That idiot didn't even have a product ready. He is far worse.

Almost to a fault.

So let me ask a weird question. Let's say Haggis does fold and takes their money with them like we've seen countless companies to before: will the people here backing them feel bad? Feel any remorse at all? Or is this all part of "always back an Aussie?" I'm curious what your thoughts would be, cheerleading people into pissing their money away?

Hopefully this doesn't happen for everyone's sake, but if it did.... how will you feel?

Edit. I don't care any more. Good luck, everyone, on not getting effed.

But per Zach's podcast, he had a bit of a snarky comment referring to it being "non refundable." Something about people not knowing what non refundable means, if I recall correctly.

I don't think it is necessarily aussies vs the world. It is only like three of them that are truly being assholes, and the rest fully understand the situation at hand.

And i agree with you. David Fix is making dumb choices. J pop is an asshole. Heighway is an asshole. I don't have to check where they live, first, to see if their abhorrent behavior warrants my disdain or not.

I thought the same thing. Says right there you cannot transfer, yet he said you can. So when he says "unfortunately you cannot get a refund," that's 100% his choice to not give you one. It isn't like there is some flippin-out corporate office he has to contend with.

But again, the fact he is already breaking one of his self-imposed rules could be a good sign he will be ready to break the other one.

And yet, you're literarily the only one saying this bullshit over and over:

Your only recourse is to downvote me because I called you out on your shit. You started this. You did.

The real shitty move is then parading around the one you have while others have been waiting 7 months or longer than they were told theirs would come in; all the while seeing many on the market place sell for thousands less than the one you've paid in full on that you still haven't received.

What surprises me is he is able to find hardly anyone to give him 12k for a centaur. I'm selling a practically brand new one for 5200 and nobody cares. Now he is trying to sell one for more than double that? Something doesn't make sense.

Obligatory "Nobody's been screwed yet. Always back an aussie. It's okay we've been lied to. Trust me, I live in a shipping container." Etc.

Get off Heighway's ass... they released some games! Why is everyone so pissed off at them?

That sort of thing is the point. Also you must admit how frustrating it is to see a game you're locked into buying is selling for less than what you're stuck at. You are stuck while new ones sell for 2k less than what you paid. Surely you see these two things being a factor for people's frustration.

Stop right there. People on pinside register games they don't own or hope to own one day before even getting their games. This happens all the time. You know that. That proves nothing.

According to pinside 3 people own pinball circus in their collection and another is on route. That's 4 machines in the wild when only two were made. Let's say that one on route is also considered in this person's collection, that's still 50% more people "own" that game than humanly possible.

Edit: I see others hopped on this same concept before I even read past his post.

Agreed. I'd be very scared right now. Then again, the amount of people who paid in full for centaur have to be very very few. I doubt they're going to make even 50 of these. They may be able to do it, but if they do complete this run before gping bankrupt, it will be 2025.

"Buying all 5 games." What a fairy tale that is lol

But seriously, have we heard nothing from this guy since the whole "needing more money" email came out? These games were supposed to be done and shipped over 100 days ago.