Anyone know if it's possible to join Clan Haggis today, and be able to order a Mermaid Edition ahead of time? I assumed the Clan Haggis thing was only for people who bought a Celts. But in looking closer it seems like anyone can just buy in, just like the Spooky Fang club. But I don't necessarily wanna spend the $70 to join the Club, if it won't actually allow me to order sooner.

Cuz I think these are gonna be sold out very quick.

Yep, just put my deposit down as well. As soon as I paid for my Club membership, I got the option to put down a Mermaid Edition deposit. I guess I was overthinking it!

I wonder if any Mermaid Editions will even be left by the 28th?

Right, but I'm guessing the reason that there's no 2.0 code on the Standard is that it doesn't have the LCD screen or the RGB LEDs. Without those, it's a lot harder to communicate with the player and actually implement new, mode-based, gameplay. And if they put those elements into the standard, then there wouldn't be much to differentiate it from the ME.

Well, bear in mind that the ME is very, very limited, and it's a well-know and loved design and art-package. With only 250 MEs being made, how many will actually make it to the USA? Maybe 150, 125? I can't see any owner having trouble selling this for what they bought it for down the line. Especially if these indestructible pfs really are as robust as what Haggis is saying they are. So while it is a lot of cost, it's a very liquid, non-depreciating, purchase.

How'd you get your number? I'm in, but I don't know what spot in line I'm at/

That's not your LE slot number. I ordered a shirt and it was order number 102 or something, and then later put down my deposit and I was order number 121 or something. That's just the number of any order on the Haggis website. Although theoretically it will tell you who's ahead or behind you.

I for one can't wait for the inevitable "It doesn't play like the original!" and "The flippers are all wrong!" comments and threads to start poring in!

Sounds like a person who has enough space and/or funds to buy and hold onto as many games as you like.

Many of us are space or budget limited, and need to sell/trade old games in order to get new ones. So pins holding their value is a big deal to folks like me. Being careful with buying and selling is what has allowed me to own the games that I have.

So more speaking of "flippers." I get ya. Still, a pin retaining good value isn't a bad thing at all. Plus, the really fun games tend to be the ones that hold their value anyway.

Right. I asked him the same thing. Maybe an inside type deal. Since he's a distro and media, ect. Maybe not. He might just have a direct line to Damien/Haggis and be able to chat directly and find out his slot.

But I'm just speculating

Seems like they are slowly working through the depositors. I've seen that they are up to people who's online order number was around 110. I'm 125, and haven't been contacted yet. And one could assume that every other order# is a deposit, so there are probably 7-ish people they'd need to contact before me.

I'm a bit annoyed with myself though; before I realized how the process worked, I ordered a t-shirt and I was order number 102. But then I waited a couple hours before joining clan haggis and paying the deposit, and by then I was online order #125.

Ah well, I'm still hoping that I'm a fairly low number. And now I know how it works for next time.

Hoping that depositors will post if/when they've been contacted by Haggis. As it's been a couple of days since I paid my deposit, I'm getting anxious for confirmation that I'm good to go. Order #125. As it's the morning now in Victoria, hopefully we'll get some more updates/action soon.

Received my email confirmation. It actually came in late last night, but went to my junk mail folder, and I didn't see it until this evening.

Pretty sure no apron screens or rgb lighting means no 2.0 code.

Came at a good time for me as well. I nearly went in on the new run of Alien, and I nearly went in on a RAZA (bullet dodged). But decided to wait and see what came. Sure am glad I did! As this is a super cool project!

It's smart to have the next game ready to go as soon as the first is finished. Much better than waiting years between new releases like CGC, AP, or JJP.

I definitely think that some of Bally titles might be a harder sell...BUT a lot of potential buyers are holding off until they see how this Fathom release goes. If all the Fathom games get out the door with minimal delays and headaches, that would instill a lot of confidence in people who aren't sure of Haggis' abilities.

I for one, feel very confident that I'll get my Fathom ME by the end of the year. But I get that a lot of potential buyers are worried, given the track records of some of the previous boutique companies.

It's pretty quiet around here. Hoping for a big update from Haggis soon!

Glad they all sold out, one way or the other. Wouldn't have felt right if they only made say 232 or something, plus it means the demand is there going forward to future titles.

Only question I have now is when we'll find out our build order. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to know how many games will be built before mine. And of course, I know that containers will have to filled prior to shipping, so build date is no guarantee of a delivery window or anything. Still, I'm damn curious!

I chose #86. For my birth year. Seemed as good as any number.

Eh, I still like GNR's cover of Live and Let Die.

Well, I mean they've got 20 Celts cabs to still build over the next couple weeks, and then they're starting on the Fathom cabs. So that seems like good progress. I assume then we'll start to see some pics of Fathom production, which will be great to see!

Any chance of a DBA-ready coin-door option? I'll be putting my Fathom on location, and it would really be nice to have the ability to accept dollar bills.

Pretty much all pins released stateside since the mid-90s have had coin doors with a DBA slot cutout. But I get there are aesthetic considerations with this particular game.

I actually think the chromed coin door on the ME is astheticly pleasing.

Huh, mine didn't have a beanie hat. Was it supposed to?

I guess GAP wants some money down to hold the game as well as Haggis? From what I've seen, GAP seems to price things at a premium. I haven't personally had any dealings with them, and maybe they're great to work with...but when I've checked prices on their website, they always seem to be high.

For my fellow American buyers, seems like Wise will be the best way to pay our remaining balances to Haggis. Best exchange rate by far, been in business a long time, and are very legitimate. I just compared what it would cost to send 10,000 AUD via Wise, and via Wells Fargo, and Wise was literally $300 USD cheaper for the same amount of Australian Dollars.

I'm not sure if Haggis will want us to pay in AUD, or whether they will accept USD. Even if they accept both, one method may end up being a lot cheaper for us than another.

https://wise.com/us/send-money/

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Also, I'd love an update from Haggis soon. It's been a while since we got any new info. According to Damian, they should hopefully all ready be working on the first 30 games.

Seems like OFX is very similar to Wise. I'm personally more familiar with Wise, and I think costs and exchange rate were very close to OFX when I looked.

While I agree with you, we did have very frequent updates for the first few months. So I think perhaps an unrealistic expectation was set. But unrealistic expectations or not, it has been over a month since the last update, so I don't think it's unreasonable for people to wonder how it's been going there at Haggis Pinball.

But as you say, all we can do is wait.

Haggis didn't close. Since they're in manufacturing, as you said. But the lockdowns still contributed to delays in other ways.

Correct. He has said it is finished now though.

Man, a lot of negativity around here all of the sudden. I'm still feeling excited and optimistic. Since Celts games are actually going out the door, that's a good sign.

If nothing at all was happening, then things would be different. But games are being produced, so that's good.

I would love an updated timeline though. For planning purposes, if for no other reason. When Fathom was announced, I had a rough idea of a build date, based on the info that Haggis provided. That date has since past, of course. So it would be nice to get an updated timeline for production.

I'd imagine that you could find someone to take your spot over.

I bet there are some Celts owners that might be in the market for a Fathom. That maybe weren't before.

Nice. That's good to hear. Can't wait till we start seeing the games coming together.

Yeah, that's why I'm glad I'm in a state that doesn't do its own income tax, and that also doesn't worry about adding extra tax on things you've bought eleswhere.

I think it should work out better than your last dice roll.

Well,

Wouldn't the profit from the final sales of Celts games keep them going? Quite a few Celts did ship, so one would think that would amount to quite a bit of income.

Well, Deeproot never actually built or delivered anything, so not too well.

lol

Hey mate, no issue with you. But fyi, you come across as a wee bit sensitive yourself. Probably best to move on from pitting countries histories against each other.

No good can come from it. We all have dark and not-so-great parts of our cultures and histories.

And what any of this has do with Haggis or Fathom? I do not know.

I'm still curious, which will come first, my Fathom or my Cactus Canyon?

Per Damian, my ME will be something in the neighborhood of build spot 75. And I've got an SE on order for CC, but no idea how far down the line I am, or how many SEs they will make before switching to LE. My game will be going on location directly, so that is supposed to bump me up. But who knows?

Main worry is both Fathom and Cactus Canyon invoices being due in the same month! Good problem I suppose. Would be nice to know how many Fathoms will roll off the line each week, once they actually do start shipping.

Wow d0n, I'm sorry to say it, buy you and flynn are being whiny little b*tches.

Oldskool getting to transfer his season ticket over to a single game purchase has f*ckall to do with you guys. The only reason you should care, is if you also have a season ticket and were denied your request to convert it. Otherwise, you're just complaining and stirring up trouble for the sake of it. Reminds me of the kid who tattles to the teacher about something another kid did that has absolutely nothing to do with them. Man up and get a life.

I know I could have ordered one last month with a 2ish week delivery. Almost did, but shipping killed it for me.

Hey Flynn, if everybody is constantly misunderstanding you, and taking what you say the wrong way, maybe you're the one who's doing something wrong? Maybe you aren't communicating effectively, or maybe you don't have the right audience? Just a thought.

Well yeah, the pf and backglass art does leave something to be desired. That's fair. The powdercoating, little details, and finishes are great. Which I think is what is wowing people, but let's get real. The actual drawn art is certainly atypical for a modern big production game.

That said, no offense to the artist. I don't mind it.

Interesting. This isn't the first time I've heard of it being hard for companies to have lockdown bars made. Something to do with the stamps/molds necessary to make them being either expensive or hard to find.

I guess you missed it, but near the beginning Marty started Lagoon multiball at the top saucer, it kicked the ball out, and then the 3 drops came up. At that point he needed to knock down all three drops and hit the saucer again to score jackpot. So the inline drops definitely do come up and are used in the new code.

Looks promising, but I'll definitely have to reserve judgment on the 2.0 code. Having more to do is certainly appreciated, but I didn't feel super pulled into the game from what I saw. But part of that might just be because the apron displays weren't very visible on camera. I'm sure actually standing in front of the game would help immensely, versus seeing it at a distance in the video.

I'm probably just as excited for the original code as the new, at this point. Nothing quite like the charm of the squawk and talk voices. I'm curious what the functionality of the Apron Displays will be while original code is running. Will they just display the normal rules sheet and price cards, or will they show the score too? My Fathom will be going out on location, so it'd be pretty neat if the rightmost display would show whatever price per game you had set in the service menu.

Well, that's progress.

So you're being told your game will be ready to ship 8 weeks from invoice? Sounds like it will still be a while before the first batch of games really start rolling out then. Wish we knew what was actually happening over there at the factory. The last update was mostly just a gameplay video. Ah well, I better be careful with that line of thinking, punkin might call me entitled, and I wouldn't want that.

I am surprised you're being invoiced 2 months out. Usually it's 30 days or less with most other pinball companies. Interesting. Well, it is still progress. And I'm in no hurry thankfully.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more a 2-months-prior invoice bothers me. That's a long time for Haggis to have my money, and that doesn't even take into account how long it will take a game to get to the USA after shipping out.

Should be a month prior at most to ask for the rest of the invoice. This sounds like Haggis has money problems. Otherwise there would be no reason to take full payment so soon. Hmm, hopefully they narrow the payment window by the time they get to my game.

Well, ironically enough, I just got my invoice. I was previously told by Damian that I was approximately build #75. So does that mean that Haggis expects to build at least 75 Fathoms in the next 8 weeks? Hmm.

Yes, build #, not game #. That's what I was referring to. My game number is #86, but my build slot was something in the neighborhood of 75, per Damian. Granted this was like 9 months ago or something. And that was to say nothing of when my game would actually ship, given that it would most likely be going on a container with other games. Haggis would obviously need to fill a container up before shipping.

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I wonder when Dr. John Cossin will get his game? He's permanently game #1, I believe for all Haggis titles. He had Celts quite a while before anyone else. Seeing him streaming his game, would certainly make me feel better.

I think this trend was started with Jersey Jack, where you could request any LE#. Although I believe even with Stern they don't always build the LEs in order.

I mean, they are still selling new Celts for like $7k USD on their website, not including shipping. If Haggis' costs were skyrocketing as you say, then I'd have thought that they would have increased the price on those. So maybe their costs haven't gone up as much as you think?

I mean, as of 2 months ago, I could have ordered a Celts through FlipNOut for 7k plus shipping. And that was coming from Australia, not his showroom. So Haggis definitely chose to keep newer-built Celts priced at 7k. Which they wouldn't do if they were building them at a loss, or razor-thin margin.

Well, she's hunched over looking down into the water, and so that combined with the perspective might give you that impression. But it's actually a fairly accurate depiction if you take body stance and perspective into account.

Well, then why did he win the other 4 years too?

For what it's worth, I'm a Kaneda subscriber and I didn't even vote for him in the Top 3 podcasts. I think I went Pinball Show, Silverball Chronicles, and maybe Slamtilt? I don't remember the 3rd exactly. I'm not a big fan of Kaneda's or anything, and don't always even find his show that entertaining, but his podcast is different from all the others out there. And I appreciate that he provides a counter-perspective to most others in the pinball media, and he also has some enjoyable news and rumors.

Most of us remember, or have heard about it 2nd hand. His antics are infamous, and it wasn't just on-Pinside either. Who could forget when he acted like a total ass at the 2019 NYC Pinball Championships, threw a drink in Tim Sexton's face, and had to be physically removed from the event. True douchebag-level stuff. Buuuut, for the most part he's left that behavior in the past. For at least the last year and a half or so, he's been a pretty decent person publicly. Right around the time his son was born actually. If Kaneda had kept up that boorish behavior, then I probably wouldn't still be a listener. But people change and move on.

I'm sure you'd like to move on and hope everyone just forgets about the Deeproot stuff, right? If I remember correctly, weren't you die-hard for Deeproot right up until the very end? When you pre-ordered a RAZA, I guess you didn't care about all the people that JPOP ripped off, or mind buying products from a company run by an egotistical asshole like Robert? Of course, that was before we knew just how much of an asshole Robert really was. So I mean, at this point it's kind of a glass houses situation, wouldn't you say?

That would be a supreme waste of time, and I think the status quo is just fine as is.

I think you missed my point. I don't think that supporting startups is a bad thing. I'm supporting Haggis myself. But you can't use Kaneda's bad behavior in the past as a reason why we shouldn't listen to or enjoy his content now, when you chose to ignore just as bad or worse behavior by people like Robert Mueller and Jpop. It's a double-standard. Hopefully, you can understand what I'm saying here.

Anyway, I probably shouldn't care as much as I do. Guess, I'm just bored waiting for games I've ordered to ship.

I really enjoyed the updates. I got the feeling like Haggis was this unusually open and honest company that was taking us all on this journey with them. And that was really refreshing compared to most of the other pinball companies. But now that feeling is more or less gone.

I for one was looking forward to seeing how their facilities and production process came along. Like did their main driveway / loading gate ever get corrected and connected properly to the main road? What does their workflow process look like now compared to a year ago? You know, that kind of thing. Nothing that I would normally expect to know about a pinball company per se, but just stuff that's cool and interesting to learn about, that Haggis uniquely shared with us.

Damian's excitement and enthusiasm were contagious, and his updates were always entertaining. I miss them.

I've always thought that they played pretty different. Neither one really comes to mind when playing the other.

Make sure you've played it a bunch before buying. I thought I liked it, but it didn't last a month before I traded it. Just not the game for me.

All the Scotch eggs in Britain that I've had were made with regular sausage and egg. I imagine that there are a few variations though.

Also, as off-putting as the name might sound, Blood Sausage really just tastes more or less like notmal sausage anyway. At least to me.

I do wonder what specifically is the limiting factor in getting games finished? The "parts shortages and delays" line doesn't really tell us much. Especially when Haggis all ready makes so many parts in-house.

I'd like to know what specific parts are still missing, or what mech/feature isn't working correctly, or what stage of assembly is giving Haggis trouble.

Only Series ticket holders? So no normal buyers?

Okay, but words matter, particularly in a written medium like an online forum. So to be clear, self-entitled means a person believes they are owed something, even when they haven't earned it, or even when they don't have any legal right to it.

But, here's the thing, sometimes people really ARE owed things. For instance, if you have a drivers license, then you are allowed to drive a car, you are ENTITLED to drive one legally. You are owed that right, if you have earned your license. If you are of legal drinking age, then you are entitled to drink alcohol, you are owed that right by virtue of your age, you can expect the ability to buy a drink without a problem.

All of us are entitled to a great many things, some we earned (like say passing a driving exam), and some we were given by our countries' constitutions or by mutual societal agreement (the right to vote, drink, ect.). And here's another more relevant example: if you purchase a product, you are entitled to receive that product. When you pay someone currency for an item, they now owe you that item. In other words, you are ENTITLED to receive what you paid for. I think we're all still on the same page here.

Now the only point of contention here, as far as I can tell, is that many of us believe that if we pay for a product, and do not receive that product within the expected timeframe, we are entitled to an update. We are owed an explanation of why the product is late and/or an updated delivery window. Fathom pre-order buyers fall into this category, and it could easily be argued that we are entitled/owed this information by virtue of having given Haggis our money. You might disagree Punkin, but you have to at least see where we are coming from.

Now someone who has not given Haggis any money, who has not purchased Fathom, is obviously NOT entitled to receiving updates or information about said game. They might WANT to know more, but they not owed that information, since they did not pay for the product. If someone who is not a pre-order buyers comes into this thread demanding information that they are not owed, then they would be the definition of SELF-ENTITLED. And it would be perfectly reasonable to tell them to go pound sand.

But you can't lump them in with people who actually paid money to Haggis and entered into an agreement to purchase AND receive a Fathom remake.

Game looks even better than expected! Guess this means Dr. John should be opening his game soon. Hopefully, he does an early stream of it like he did with Fathom. I loved seeing Mary place his final inspection sticker down!

Are people arguing that Haggis MUST provide updates to their buyers? I know I never said that Haggis was LEGALLY obligated to provide updates, nor do I ever remember Haggis saying that they would provide timely updates in any of the website or email language when I bought a game. I mean if they specifically said that they would provide updates, then you wouldn't have a leg to stand on, so to speak.

I think I was pretty clear in my previous post; I acknowledged then, as I do now, that you don't feel buyers of a product are owed ANY updates whatsoever, even when the product is very late. They are only owed the product. Okay, so what? It's not wrong for a buyer to want an update when a product they paid money for is not delivered on time. Especially, when the seller was previously very forthcoming with information. But whatever, you are in your own world with this one. I've said more than enough on the subject.

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Either way, I was never one of the impatient ones. I'm in no particular rush to get my Fathom, and am looking forward to seeing the first games get delivered soon. I think that projector is awesome, and that combined with how spectacular the game looks, will draw a lot of attention on location. My game will going straight to our local Pinball Room when it gets delivered.

I can't wait to hear of a game actually being unboxed. I know that Dr. John is game #1 for every Haggis title. So if games truly have shipped, then he and Emily should have theirs any day now.

In addition to being an Oral Surgeon who works especially with children, Doctor John is a pretty well-known member of the pinball community. He's Australian, and both he and his daughter play in a lot of pinball tournaments. They have a Twitch streaming channel - https://www.twitch.tv/emilyanddoctorjohn . And he also does pinball restorations as well.

He's been one of Haggis' biggest outside supporters since very early on. I believe he was the first person to unbox and stream Celts, long before any other Celts games shipped. He was a beta-tester of sorts.

Disagree. It took Haggis almost the full "for-sale" window to sell out of the MEs, and that's with a couple dealers like Nitro and FNO buying many multiples for future sale.

Prices on all games have gone up since then, but at the time Haggis offered the MEs, they were priced right.

LOL!

If someone was really willing to pay that much for a spot, you'd think they reach out in the thread.

Sadly, no one can prove anything, because Haggis hasn't given any explanations nor have they continued to ship out games after the first one.

So just a lot of mystery and speculation for now. The ones that say everything is fine are also just guessing. Since things are obviously not fine.

LOL. Ha, you remind me of that AussieArcade guy from youtube, saying how awful Spike is. It's funny because one guy commented that he bet Stern games would be worth pennies on the dollar in a few years. That was 3 years ago. And they're worth more than ever! No signs of slowing down.

Plus, why would Stern stop making Spike node boards, when they can sell them for 10x their cost? How do you think PPS makes all their money off the WMS games? Licensing replacement parts for all those 90s pins.

And of course, my previous statement assumes that the current shortage of node boards is only temporary. I hope that once global supply chains and shipping go back to normal that Stern/Marco and the other dealers will have mode board stock readily available again.

If not, then that's another story all together.

If it's true that a Celts all ready has wear by the flippers, then that's not good at all. It's the opposite of what we'd be hoping for. But without pictures it's hard to know the truth.

Although Haggis did that rolling test and the perspex seemed to hold up well, the ball doesn't actually roll away from the flippers during normal pinball gameplay. The ball is actually driven into, or sorta slams, into the pf with quite a lot of force before rolling out. Not the same as a gentle roll at all like the test.

I think it's shown in that slowmo guys video, but it's been a while.

Thanks for the details. My recollection of the exact physics was hazy.

So any coin mechs? Or at least the wiring for them, so that I could just drop a couple in quickly?

My Fathom will be going on location right away, at least ideally.

Good to know. My Dad has worked for a regional op for like 20 years. So we've got plenty of spare coin mechs around.

Bruce and Zac give their first impressions of the Fathom remake that was recently delivered to the Rochester Pinball Collective in the latest episode of Slam Tilt.

https://www.slamtiltpodcast.com/2022/07/04/episode-189-light-at-the-end-of-the-rainbow/

It's a little ways into the episode, but nice to hear some feedback about the game, code, and Haggis' build quality.

Awesome! Anyone know how many have gone out yet?

Seems like maybe 2 or 3 a-week average right now?

Yeah, I really wish that Haggis wasn't asking for payment until the games were actually boxed and ready to go out the door, or nearly so. No reason for Haggis to hold onto people's money for that long. Especially, since this is a desirable and limited-run game. So it's not like Haggis is going to be stuck with a bunch of unsold inventory.

No reason, unless they are having cash-flow problems anyway. Which leads to scary territory, given previous history of other pinball companies.

Oh well, it's not my pinball company. I'll be happy as long as Haggis eventually gets all 250 out of the door.

You're not. My wife and especially my daughter hate the name. Conjures images of sheep stomachs in their heads.

Doesn't bother me really, but you are not alone if it does!

And yeah, would be nice if the name was more Australian sounding. Everyone thinks they're a Scottish company when they first hear the name.

LOL. Someone else brought it up. I think it's been a while since that topic was discussed.

If one of you can provide a good reason why Haggis would needs payment so early, then I'll happily never discuss it again. Short of the company being hard up for cash, I can't "Fathom" why they want payment so far ahead of the build time.

Please, enlighten me. Since you are so tired of the subject being discussed. Also, isn't the other thread the sunshine-and-roses Haggis thread, I thought this one was where we could actually discuss potential issues and concerns. And ya know, look at things with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Ha! Probably wise.

Also, my wife is British, so she's a bit more familiar with foods like Haggis than the average American.

Yeah, I'm debating whether to go air or sea. The only thing that concerns me about sea is how long it will take Haggis to fill a container's worth of Fathoms.

If it takes Haggis 4 months to build my game once I pay for it, then a couple more months waiting for a container full, then 3 months on the boat. Then however long it takes PPs to ship out to me. I could easily that whole process taking nearly a year. That's a long time to wait after making a full payment.

Yeah, I posted about using Wise a few months back.

I think the best method will depend on the exchange rate, and the Australian and US Dollar invoice prices that Haggis is asking at time of payment. Have to do some math to figure out what works best for us.

Haggis is essentially a year behind schedule at this point. How late can Haggis be before we're allowed to mention it or ask questions?

Hopefully, the unboxings will come a lot faster on game 2, and we'll just be talking about how cool and fun pin #2 is. And how much faster production is going!

Probably, more like that he'll get his game.

As would most of us. Optimistically, it seems like Haggis has been making about 2 Fathoms a week for the last couple of months. Maybe?

Seems like my 3 Fathoms-a-week estimate is pretty close then. I hope Haggis can pick up the pace eventually, cuz it'll take 2 years to finish all 250 at this rate of manufacture.

I meant to write 2 Fathoms a week, I must have fat fingered the 3.

We're not in the 8th month of Haggis actually producing Fathoms. When did the 2nd Fathom ship? Wasn't it like a month or so after the first one?

I'm giving Haggis the benefit of the doubt, and I'm only counting them as being in the 3rd month of production. Since they seem to finally be pushing them out at a steady, but very slow pace.

So 10 weeks at 2-a-week is about 20 games. That's my math anyway. So another 100 or so weeks from now and they'll be done!

With a heavy heart, I'm considering selling my ME spot. PM if interested.
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EDIT: SOLD awaiting confirmation from Haggis.

Thanks, I've just had the money tied up for too long. Might regret it, who knows?

Spot went quick. Just waiting to hear back from Haggis now.

Maybe should have priced the spot higher, but didn't want to gouge for the sake of gouging. I lost a lot of money on my Ultraman spot, so selling my Fathom spot helped balance that a bit.