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Haggis Pinball - 2nd game = Fathom + Fathom 2.0 confirmed

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#1797 1 year ago

I just got my celts. Damian was going to ship for free with my fathom when I ordered but I opted to get it via air freight rather than wait. My order number was 351 which is significantly different from my machine number 32/200 highlands edition. Hopefully we all get our fathoms. Not sure how many celts have been made. The game is fun and like an old em with modern tech. The technology with the lcd in the Playfield, built in pinstadium type lcds and hybrid acrylic Playfield are cool. As far as trusts and Australian bailout money that’s all speculation unless haggis is publicly open about their business . If I lose my deposit caveat emptor.

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#1799 1 year ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

So as the numbers are posting does this mean they have another 170 Celts to build and ship prior to Fathom? When was Celts announced again?

My machine is a highland version and I opted against the name in the game so I could resell if desired. I can only speculate on numbers of regular vs highland editions produced thus far.

The machines is very nice and they have amazing attention to detail on the build. Tons of beautiful small features. I had to reposition the shooter rod. Otherwise it’s been great out of the crate.

Hopefully the hybrid Playfield will be live up to the advertising. Stern and JJP certainly haven’t. I used your iron technique (yelobird) and stacked washers on gnr which is now doing well. My Star Wars LE looks more dimpled than the moon after 1000 plays. I can’t comment on AP or spooky Playfields.

#1801 1 year ago
Quoted from Yelobird:

Congrats on the repair! And thanks for the reply. There game does look good no question just curious as recently game #30 posted, then #31, so I am assuming they are going in order which would mean 170 plus more games to reach Fathom time.

That would be frustrating. They are still advertising Celts for purchase.

#1804 1 year ago
Quoted from oldskool1969:

How is this frustrating ? Should they just stop advertising, Celts is now getting noticed and enjoyed so people might want one .

If they had 170 more machines to build prior to fathom, when they were supposed to wrap up with Celts last summer per Damian's public announcement at time fathom revisited was announced .... someone might be frustrated. yelobirds speculation on 170 more celts machines not mine.

In my opinion as a consumer, They should build all the celts they like but should ideally build the fathoms promised prior to new celts orders.

Its their business and they should do as they see fit. I wish haggis success.

#1827 1 year ago
Quoted from punkin:

There are people in the Deadpool thread who ordered and paid deposits new machines (premium and pro) as far back as November 2020 who expected the run to be in mid this year according to the distributors. Then the distributors said the run had been pushed back to nov/dec this year, then to January next year and the latest they are hearing is July/August next year.
There are people in the GNR thread that are getting games now that ordered and paid deposits back in November last year.
If it's ok for the two biggest pinball companies in the world to have delays and setbacks then why not extend that curtesy to Haggis.
Out of the three companies mentioned, Haggis is the only one to give us any updates at all. Neither Stern nor JJP has given any information out at all except gossip that's leaked through distributors. There is also noone in those threads being disparaging about either companies business practices or integrity.
I'm fine waiting like the whole rest of the world are waiting for products from motorbikes to cars to anything else, including pinball machines from all manufacturers.

You are correct that all the manufacturers are behind on production.

Stern has 17000 machines backordered from what I've heard. 9 months backlog if you figure they roughly make 400 a week and 20k a year.

My deadpool is coming this month per my distributor and I was able to get the original price before the stern connected price increase.
Other preorders may be subject to the price increases next year from my understanding.

The only sure way to get a new pinball machine right now seems to be a stern LE at launch or on the secondary market. They make them first with a few pros for vendors to route.

#1862 1 year ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

"God bless us, every one!"
Thank you and Merry Christmas Haggis!
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how did you get this?

#1864 1 year ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

USPS (today)
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so did you order 2 machines, get the clan club package or the series ticket?

#1867 1 year ago
Quoted from oldskool1969:

If you are a prick you don't get one, I didn't get one

I might be on their naughty list.

I did make cointakers nice list

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#1873 1 year ago

made the nice list

Can't wait to see fathom revisited on the line in January.

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#1993 1 year ago

got email today saying fathom is in production

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#2028 1 year ago

waiting for mermaid #116

#2036 1 year ago
Quoted from d0n:

Is it game #116 or order 116?

order 177

#2037 1 year ago
Quoted from punkin:

Delivering now. my Celts is on it's way.

congratulations. unboxing video?

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#2147 1 year ago

i've had some minor issues with celts that damian promised to fix a few weeks ago. the replacement parts haven't shipped. he answered when i re inquired, but radio silence after that. my playfield lcd is malfunctioning and the lockdown bar is chipping. the shooter rod was installed out of line and deformed the cabinet decal and stress fractured the shooter rod retaining back plate. fun game, the playfield is amazing, excited about my fathom mermaid edition.

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#2160 1 year ago

sold 2 pins to make room for celts in lineup.

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#2163 1 year ago

I agree it would be great to get a haggis update on fathom. the build quality on celts is impressive. There is passion in the design. the attention to detail is obvious when your lift the playfield. JJP and stern machines are mass produced and that is evident when you look closely. when we get out fathoms i'm confident we will be happy.

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#2331 1 year ago

keep it professional. fashion and hairstyle posts about pinball manufacturing personnel (all companies) although amusing should be below the level of discussion of what we want in the forums.

#2333 1 year ago
Quoted from kklank:

You gotta be kidding me.

care to show us your personal photo albums?

#2335 1 year ago
Quoted from kklank:

Care to pound sand?

photoshopping your pictures might be harder... bully much?

#2337 1 year ago
Quoted from kklank:

What pictures? What are you talking about?

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#2339 1 year ago
Quoted from kklank:

You gotta be kidding me.

we're all waiting for your fashion runway and headshots. pinside shouldn't be a place to criticize the looks and fashion decisions of other members. if you're in disagreement put your money where your mouth is...

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#2567 1 year ago
Quoted from SKWilson:

They are on the vendor (booth) list for TPF. I wonder if they've been knuckling down to build some games to get them shipped over here in time to show off. Hmmmmm... I'm going with that theory.

I asked about a month ago. He said wasn't sure if he'd be there. I hope he is and we can see a fathom.

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#3160 12 months ago

ready for tpf

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#3163 12 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

So maybe a dumb question but I’m catching up on all this…..
Are you guys who are in on this game going through a distributor or does the money go to Haggis directly?

most of the vested buyers are though haggis directly. GAP sold some spots they purchased, so a few people are thought them. I don't know of any other distributors who have sold spots but flip n out took celts to pinCincinnati.

#3166 12 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

OK - thanks for the info.
I’m an alien buyer, OG and now PB and both times through cointaker. Never felt concerned b/c Melissa was involved and held on to my money until product was verified and even then, if it went sideways, she’s supporting me. I have to admit that this game looks gorgeous and is likely a dream come true for some of the older guys along with younger ones that appreciate classics. For me, I wouldn’t be concerned at all if I was going through a distributor. If I was paying direct - well, that’s a different story. The fact pattern alone (many missed deadlines, no mass production pictures and now pay in full invoicing showing up for people that are 70+ in, etc) would cause those “common sense” alarms to be going off in my head.
Well best of luck to all that are committed and I hope to see more coming out of Haggis in these next few weeks. 8 weeks will go by in a blink of an eye.

the capital call has been for lower number orders and season ticket holders. I'm number 116. my level of concern is low at this stage. if in 8 weeks we see
more capital calls and no machines, we will definitely have more room for concern and discussion.

#3307 11 months ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

you do realize that is an article just reporting on the stuff already here?
Circular reference

half the posts in this thread are rehashing of previous posts.

I'm looking forward to some deliveries of fathom, although i'm certain it won't stop the naysayers from saying the company is going broke and everyone should be wary of paying in full as they might be the group to not get a machine.

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#3403 11 months ago
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#3531 11 months ago

best pinball beverage holder? I haven't found one i like yet.

#3658 11 months ago
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#3898 10 months ago

celts is running intel nuc. i'd assume the same for fathom

Quoted from flynnibus:Really great to finally have an update from Haggis. Congrats to them and the lucky bloke who is frantically looking for tracking info now
Standouts I saw in the video...
- The pretty significant projector element. Surprised there is no plex over the hole, maybe they had reflection issues. PDIglass for cabinet bottoms now?
- That's a lot of stuff in the cab. We see power supplies, power distribution, but what's the boards in the back of the center cluster? the fast interface board and CPU? Something else? Anyone know which fast platform this is using? presumably PC + nano + driver boards?
- Obviously lots of boom coming from those two 8"? 10"? speakers and amp in the back
- We get a new playfield mounting system... with what looks like ROLLERS on a track. No more dragging!
- All the drop mechs are made with what looks like polished stainless vs zinc plate
- Haggis pop assemblies vs bally designed
- driver board mounted on PF near edge near trough.. kinda risky spot
- looks like all new apron design (vs Bally). The apron looks to be multiple stacked pieces and the surface towards the outlanes doesn't look like the apron sheet metal. Looks like you have a grab plate instead of the apron+chrome bar on ballys. You can see the mounting hardware on the top of the apron
- the frame of the coin door isn't the same high polish as the door face. Looks to be a painted/pc finish. Gives a neat contrast for the door.
- Big 'haggis' sticker in the bally coin door style on the coin door
- Looks like a whole new coindoor design (vs bally)
- Those transparent pop bumpers really glow
They clearly outgrew their finish/test room - which is good! Hopefully that means there is another 8+ games already in late assembly steps in there too. The space in the video shows 4 games on legs, 4 games on mobile crates, and more cabinets stacked behind those.
Great milestone! Start the countdown to games in hand!

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#4470 10 months ago

the troll is gone. I will miss downvoting every one of his posts.

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#5394 6 months ago

I received my invoice this morning. I am build number 116. I wasn't expecting this for sometime due to the delays.

What the highest number build that someone has received.

I have some concerns wiring money given the delays and few machines seen going out beyond the series ticket holders orders in this forum.

#5396 6 months ago

to be more specific
Number 177
Date Apr 27, 2021

Quoted from Meldenhut:

It will be closer to the order in which the sales were made and related loosely to the invoice number you got when you ordered
The build number out of 250 isn’t related to the order in which machines are being delivered

#5398 6 months ago

what is your build / order number?

Quoted from Mr68:I was in the same boat a month or so ago and sent the money in without hesitation. And soon I hope to post here about a Mermaid with wings flying to the states. I'm also non-series.
I'm not keeping score but in the past few weeks it seems like more unboxings and deliveries are happening now.
But here's the true sign that Haggis is for real: All of the panic baby's that shouted "Heighway Pinball!!!" have gone silent and acting like they never cried wolf.

#5410 6 months ago


did they ask you for payment ?

Quoted from Gotfrogs:

What was your original order number? My order number is 336 for machine number 242 (as requested).

#5473 6 months ago

Can you tell us your invoice number and if you are a season ticket holder. It would be helpful for those of us concerned about sending them money and give us an idea of where they really are in production.

Quoted from rodcom:Guess what arrived today……………game is stunning!!!!!!
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#5476 6 months ago

so we're reasonably only to about 40 machines delivered and they are asking for money from the next 80.

Quoted from rodcom:I don't know where my invoice is. I can tell you I was dead last of the season ticket holders (I requested to be last so that I could be ready for the game and wanted them to work through any issues locally before shipping).
Also my game arrived over a week ago today was just the day we were able to set it up.

#5478 6 months ago

yes it is an extrapolation. It would be better if there was transparency. Does anyone this that they will get their machine in 8!weeks if they were invoiced and paid today?

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#5515 6 months ago

it was 2 years on the ford bronco and they had consumer price protection rebates. I ordered mine in 2020 and got it this spring. the dealer is trying to stiff me on the rebate and paid me 1000 out of 2600, but i will likely prevail.

Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

I paid mine on Friday (begrudgingly) and have no confidence it will turn up in anything like 8 weeks. Early next year, maybe.

Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

I paid mine on Friday (begrudgingly) and have no confidence it will turn up in anything like 8 weeks. Early next year, maybe.

Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

I paid mine on Friday (begrudgingly) and have no confidence it will turn up in anything like 8 weeks. Early next year, maybe.

Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

I paid mine on Friday (begrudgingly) and have no confidence it will turn up in anything like 8 weeks. Early next year, maybe.

Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

I paid mine on Friday (begrudgingly) and have no confidence it will turn up in anything like 8 weeks. Early next year, maybe.

Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

I paid mine on Friday (begrudgingly) and have no confidence it will turn up in anything like 8 weeks. Early next year, maybe.

Quoted from transprtr4u:

Order a Ford Bronco ... at least 3 years for one of those ...

#5519 6 months ago

I ordered a TNA 2. zero worries on getting it. Fathom is a much better machine and value.

Quoted from rai:Between this thread and the TNA 2.0 thread there are a lot of people worried about other peoples money.

#5522 6 months ago

TBL is awesome. Glad to hear dutch is doing this. I'd imagine it would be a loss to take original price in cash back rather than flip the machine NIB.

Quoted from Mr68:Nope. According to Cointaker, Dutch Pinball is now offering full cash refunds to any remaining EA's.
As to the remainder of you comments, you and I can just agree to disagree. (hopefully, LOL)

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#5560 6 months ago

paid my balance...... 8 more weeks.

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#5865 3 months ago

what's your machine and order number? series ticket holder?

Quoted from surfnrg:

Air freight for me being in LA was $1600. But it would cost me $600 to ship it from Sparks, NV, so the additional is really only $1000 for me. Why not, can't wait for my game. Should be here in 2 weeks. Will take some video.

#5911 3 months ago

I ordered my fathom mermaid edition April 26th 2021. invoice 177. Machine number 116. It's been 12 weeks since paying them.
Let's start getting transparent. I'm tired of the "I just got mine" and no other information.

#5913 3 months ago
Quoted from dscapo:

Try ordering through a distributor for 4K and receiving zero unprompted updates… It’s all a guessing game

If you ordered through a dealer in your country you can sue them for breech of contract and have more recourse.
In my opinion, if you're going to post your new machine in this forum, you should disclose purchase date, series holder status, invoice number and machine number.

Aussie customers have better options for legal recourse against Haggis. It's more limited internationally.

#5919 3 months ago

The individuals who are touting receiving their machines and not disclosing their order number, date of purchase and series ticket holder status when asked are complicit in haggis deception.

I got my machine and everything is great without disclosure should not be an acceptable community standard.

I paid my deposit when asked and they as told me 8 weeks and some machines were being shipped. I had my doubts and entering 12 plus weeks now since payment, I am now very unhappy. I may sell my spot or pursue other options depending on Haggis's response.

Everything is not great with Haggis and the emperor might not have any clothing.

#5921 3 months ago
Quoted from dscapo:

Sorry for the dumb question, but have you contacted them to ask?

Of course I have contacted Haggis.

My frustration peaked with the lack of transparency when i inquired about order dates etc from individuals in this forum trumpeting receiving their machine.

I won't disclose the individual I communicated with, but one person refused to disclose this information to avoid scrutiny for favoritism or early delivery outside their order position.

Haggis can be transparent or choose to deceive us moving forward.
The people in this forum can choose to support the pinball consumer community or act as a shill for manufacturers.

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#6017 87 days ago
Quoted from punkin:

That whole thing was pretty entitled.

So it's ok for Damien to lie about their timeline and request money? That seems much more entitled than asking for Haggis to deliver on their promises. I'm happy people are getting their machines but stand by my statement that people in this forum should be transparent and support their fellow consumers. The poster I down voted edited their machine serial number out. Why?

#6020 87 days ago
Quoted from thekaiser82:

I see a lot of folks do this on for sale ads regardless of manufacturer. I have no idea why, but I don’t think it is indicative of a mass conspiracy.

A lot of flippers do this on NIB LE to hide it from their distributors.

#6021 87 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Because you seem a little more than just "curious", I wouldnt give you any info either.

then don't get upset if i downvote you delivery.

From what i've been an able to gather, they've taken deposits on machines 70 order numbers behind mine. That's $450k.

Shouldn't we be talking about that?

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#6283 24 days ago
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#6287 20 days ago

have you waited 2 years and invested money with no guarantee of receiving a machine?
what do you expect to pay in the 11th hour with zero skin in the game?

Quoted from Mr68:I posted this response in the other Haggis thread, which was suggested by the OP, an error, and so I've duplicated it over here.
You're not alone and I thank you for broaching the subject.
I also became involved with d0n before I learned who I was dealing with. We had some private banter back and forth before I realised the gravity of the situation. I terminated with d0n before getting too deeply involved. Like a scorned lover, I received profanity laced emails and weird revenge type comments.
And recently it got even more weird when d0n shared some of my private messages with a third party, who has chosen to take them out of context and exploit them.
I'm not proud of my conversation with d0n, but the bottom line is, none of our fantasy conversations were ever placed in action.
Imagine two drunks in a bar ginning each other up with an idea that doesn't really make sense in reality. No excuse from me, but I was one of those drunks that was sober and embarrassed the following day.

Quoted from gprotein:

I said “spot” not game with a ridiculous markup lol

#6289 20 days ago
Quoted from Roostking:

Pinball, as an investment? Haggis sold this as an investment opportunity?

I've never considered pinball as an investment. Don't try to put words into my mouth. If you like to talk about investments pm me and we can chat. I wouldn't own a single machine if i was not financially secure.

With no risk on your part in ordering a machine from a boutique company', please clarify what you think is fair to pay ?

#6291 20 days ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Are we in the who cares phase now?

I don’t really care or give a $%#^ at this point. I would like to see your collection in boerne. I have a house in Mico.

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#6295 12 days ago

invoice Number 177
fathom mermaid number 116
deposit Date 4/27/21
final payment request 9/1/22
final payment 9/14/23 - AMEX per my request
completion date 2/16/23
shipping payment 2/21/23 - request to delay due to vacation
shipping date 2/24/23
shipping fees 1900$ USA AUS
arrival - 3/8/23

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#6305 5 days ago

what's the status of your fathom order flynnibus? i'm fairly confident you don't have one.

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