Hey Zitt!

You had us at your local show and you could have asked all the questions you wanted to about FAST and certainly learned a thing or two about what we do. Then you wouldn't need to make up stories and stir up drama for your own entertainment.

I understand that some people are uncomfortable with face-to-face conversations. I am sympathetic to that. There are people who are more comfortable spouting madness on the internet. We should have a conversation. Heck, even Gerry and I can have grown up conversations face-to-face. I almost left TPF without chatting with him (he was always so busy with people and Weird Al) but as we were literally rolling suitcases out of the venue, we met up and had a great talk. Even talked a bit about you.

Maybe we can split the difference and have a phone call? Would that be something you would be comfortable with?

Please let me know.

Aaron
FAST Pinball

@fastpinball,
I don't like your company. I don't like what you've done to the community.
I have zero desire to talk to you or listen to any of your excuses.
Simple as that.
You've done wrong to the community. And I'll continue to post information that I have to let people know what kind of company you keep.

My advise to you: don't try to get others to "help" you quiet me... it only makes the situation worse for you.
I have now made it clear I have no desire to try and allow you to manipulate me like you've done others.
Do not try to force a conversation; you won't like the results.

Don't like it; clean up your act. Really that simple.
Add me to your ignore list - that's the best possible solution you will get.

Aww, Zitt. I am not so scary. If you continue to say things that are not true about FAST, I will continue to correct you. I think you could save us both a lot of hassle and spare pinside of your misinformation, with a grown-up conversation.

I am available anytime because I feel truth is important.

Aaron
FAST Pinball

Truth... You don't stalk PROC homebrew projects
Truth... You don't use shady ethics to convert existing projects to fast
Truth... You don't pay PPS a royalty for every FAST board you sell
Truth... You don't closely monitor pinside for multimorphic threads and chime in for visibility
Truth... You don't circle the wagons when people have facts and ignore them with indirect side speak
Truth... You don't have army's of pinsiders down voting your adversaries
I'm sure there are other truths, I can't think of right now. Let me know if you want me to continue these truths

Wow. If this is the madness you have spinning around in your head, then yeah, there is no point in a conversation.

Aaron
FAST Pinball

So....anyone hear about any fathoms shipping?

It's only madness if it didn't happen. Your non-response indicates that you can't confirm none of this happens.
So; yeah, just put me on your ignore list and move on with life.

Nope not yet. Fingers crossed.

I've already asked a few weeks ago. He said they're done making celts now but since a few people have asked, they're considering doing a small run of them after all fathoms are built.

At this rate, I'd guess that'll be in about 3 years or so.

I have some Coton, BA Cuir and whatever the 2nd one was in my cellar. Unsure when I'll ever get around to drinking them.

Cool, Thanks for the heads up on Fast Pinball.I've been looking for something just like that.Im going to order 1 :}

I don't get the "I dont think its good for pinball thing" ? but it looks like fun to be able to create my own pinball machine .I already have like 5 designs mulling in my brain.

Full Moons have a way of making people say and do strange things.

Happy Easter Haggis Pinball!

Well this sure is more interesting than needing to scroll thru 50 pics of beer. That reminds me of women on the social media posting their wine glasses with a #wineo’clock.

My turn?

GO HAGGIS!

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Selling a fathom mermaid spot (one of just 250 being made).

The spot is directly from Haggis... not a distributor.

$2500. Firm. Paypal f&f or zelle.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/133890

Your definition of "slightly" is quite different than mine. GLWS!

I get that but try to find another mermaid preorder for sale right now.

Even with my "slightly" higher price, a buyer will be all-in at just $10,400.

A players quality, original fathom just came up for sale on FB for $7000 today. A HEP fathom would likely be $15k or more if you could find one for sale. For $3400 more than a players quality game and $5k+/- less than a HEP restored original fathom... a buyer could have a brand new fathom mermaid revisited. Seems like a no brainer to me.

but he may throw in some Deeproot Water Bottles .....

haha no those are $55 shipping included. If you find other deeproot water bottles for less, you probably should buy them.

are you not the one bailing because you think they are going under ?
didn't see that mentioned in your add .... If I'm mistaken please accept my apology

It's one thing to sell a NIB game down the track for a profit. This is something else that i didn't expect.

Leaves a bad smell.

He has collected four pre-orders. He bought some from folks who didn't want to wait, or had concerns.
Not a surprise that he's selling one, or two, or three.

Yes, we've all been following along and understand the situation quite well.

You are mistaken and apology accepted.

I'm hedging my bets.

I have 4 preorders. If I sell 1 or 2 prior to the may shipping deadline and they actually ship, I'll kick myself. But if they don't ship in may, preorder values are going to go down drastically in value... IMHO.

Are you a gambling man? If the games ship in may, we all know they're going way up in value. Think double msrp.

Double MSRP for a remake of 40 year old game no one asked for? Time will tell of course but I'd take the under on that one... if I were a gambling man.

When I asked Haggis originally I was told that series ticket deposits were non-transferable. This is not the case with Mermaid pre-orders? I assumed some exceptions were made to transfer but not that they could be bought and sold away.

Time will tell. If damian posts pics of boxed fathoms shipping in may, you'll wish you bought this now for $2500.

Any of the 250 mermaid spots can be sold and easily transferred to a new owner. That's how I bought all 4 of mine months after the game had sold out. Some people wanted out (due to lack of patience or need for money or both) of their pre-orders. I paid the sellers what they originally paid haggis.

Also, at least 1 season ticket holder convinced damian to let him out of the contract and apply the $4400 USD toward his fathom mermaid. Evidently, nothing is set in stone except that the preorders are nonrefundable.

Well I'd be brain dead not too right?

I do think you should update your ad and include the part that you're actually trying to hedge your bets... that part at least sounds sincere.

I'm sure people considering this purchase have their big boy pants on and will research it. This is the only place for haggis fathom info.
Anyone looking to buy a fathom preorder is likely already here reading this. It's not a secret that if someone buys this they're going to pay about $1400 more than if they got in on the original preorder a year ago.

There are no other preorders for sale anywhere.

This is why pinball is morally on a decline.
Too much money for some little boys to handle.
I am the person who put his series ticket deposit onto Mermaid. Read back quite a few pages if you want to see the post.
This thread has been ruined .

I’d much rather do business with a company that was sympathetic to a customer’s change in fortune than one that hid behind some notion of unbreakable policy.
Plenty of soulless companies already like that in this world.

I do agree. Some people's aspirations and their FOMO are larger than their checkbooks & their patience.

You're most likely the only season ticket holder who has been able to get out of the contract. You really shouldn't have made that public.

Might be the only one who asked too?!
Don’t see how this affects anyone else to be honest. Not a good look to keep harping on it.

I started a whole thread on this new phenomenon of selling a deposit for profit. Pinside consensus in that poll was that these d*bags are doing nothing wrong. Maybe, but it won’t change the way I view the practice, I think it’s shitty. Anyway, karma is a real thing, and people around here notice this kind of behavior.

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Therein lies the inherent duality of capitalism.

I totally agree. Unless you are a commercial pinball business you are taking advantage of others in the hobby, for a few dollars.

We are mostly the lucky people here on good incomes, either you run a business or have a high paying job (there are some exceptions).

Making a few hundred dollars off your mates is bad sportsmanship when you buy for cost then sell for profit. As i said, if he was willing to take the bet like he was so gung ho for a month ago calling people out for not waiting, then got the machines in his possession and sold later down the track, good for him. I was willing to do the same thing.

But this stinks.

But we can put a slightly moral spin on our capitalist behavior if we choose to, yes?

Its the same thing as a selling ANY game for a profit at any time. A preorder is no different. We're only allowed to sell games for what we paid or we're labelled d'bags? That's such a strange way to look at it. You've never made a profit on a pinball game? The shadow I bought from you was for the same amount you paid for it? I doubt it. LOL

I think it's shitty to enter into a 5+ year, 4 game contract and then later cry poverty to a sympathetic pinball company owner to get out of the deal.

d0n

More greed based to me. Capitalism is fine but taking the piss and showing not even a hint of morals is and will always be deplorable.
You keep mentioning finances? guess that is how d0n is wired.
Id mention the real reason, but i guess personal circumstances to old mate means $ , very sad.

You see the reverse side of it happening with Halloween/ Ultraman preorders to elaborate.
Pinball is just a microcosm of everything else inflating right now. Demand side economics.
Individuals can choose to be ethical or pragmatic.

I know that YOU can’t see the difference between selling a deposit for a 150% profit and selling an actual game (for say a 20% profit), but many us can it very clearly.

I mean if we’re talking about water or food or basic necessities that’s one thing. Deplorable companies make record profits every year at the expense of common people and get praised for it by shareholders and politicians. These are ridiculous toys for people with more money than sense though…

According to d0n he's selling a risk at a fucking profit.

A profit is a profit. Why does the size matter? How much do you think gas stations pay for that gallon of gas you just paid $3.79 for?

How much do you think it costs a pinball maker to make the game? They're not doing this for a 20% profit I can assure you.

Now that you mention it, I LOST money on that game because you asked me for a discount. I also put more than 40 hours of hard work into restoring it. So, go pound sand on that theory.

I paid $3200 for it. I don't beg for anything john. You've been shooting jabs at me on pinside for a few years now. What's your problem dude?