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A few years ago someone did some investigation into the Jaws license and it was not good. The license was for "JAWS" theme and the character the shark and that's about it. No movie clips, no right to use actors likeness, etc.... so the license would be worse than Jurassic park. Good that it is not Jaws.
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I think we all know it will be Marty monster 
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I'd be overjoyed if they got their hands on THE Loch Ness Monster game - the GamePlan prototype with Nessie window seven years before Creech did it.
Collectors would pay a small fortune for a limited run of that game.
Quoted from EalaDubhSidhe:I'd be overjoyed if they got their hands on THE Loch Ness Monster game - the GamePlan prototype with Nessie window seven years before Creech did it.
Collectors would pay a small fortune for a limited run of that game.
I think the key is to make games people have played and are worth heaps.
Fathom.
Centaur would surely be part of the 5
No idea what the other 3 would be
Burlington, ON
Hear all about FATHOM REVISTED from Haggis Pinball. Damian Hartin explains:
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the pinball show logo (resized).JPGBummer they went into all that new code development, and it will only be used on 250 machines. The classic edition buyers who will probably be spending $8K shipped to North America would probably want the sweet new code as well.
Quoted from Apex:Why would you keep the 2.0 code only to the Mermaid edition? Are there actual mechanical differences between the two?
Lcd screens on aprons is one difference
Looks beautiful! Not sure about the price delta between the two machines. Mermaid seems like the way to go, it's more like a new machine with a retro mode. Personally, I think they should be feature-compatible and differ only in bling. Hope they revisit not providing the 2.0 rules on the standard.
Not providing software stinks more than secret UV upgrade kits!
Quoted from dr_nybble:Not sure about the price delta between the two machines.
Bingo. Who is going to spend $8K for the basic version when $9500 not only gets you all the bling, but also a SECOND and expanded game?!?!?
Quoted from dr_nybble:Hope they revisit not providing the 2.0 rules on the standard.
Agreed, because although Fathom is unquestionably beautiful, it's just not very... fun?
If these are actually made, I'm sure they will sell every one.
Those that complain about the pricing, realize that SS games had tons of mechs and individually controlled things under the playfield. They looked simpler on the topside, but don't let that fool you. A ramp might look crazy and take up lots of the playfield, but it is a static item, sans a switch or two. It only appears to be a complicated or expensive addition because of the dynamic aspect of up/down motion it adds to a ball.
All that said, I'm not the targeted market or buyer for a game like this, but more pinball is usually good pinball!
Quoted from EalaDubhSidhe:I'd be overjoyed if they got their hands on THE Loch Ness Monster game - the GamePlan prototype with Nessie window seven years before Creech did it.
Collectors would pay a small fortune for a limited run of that game.
That game is boring as hell.
this is a great idea. Pricing is going to test the market for sure. IMO, the 250 will sell out in about 5 seconds. Good job Haggis. Smart and I would be willing to bet on them even with that pricing. The new code is really the key driver. I'm not an EM guy but that game has always caught my attention.
Quoted from Grandnational007:Those that complain about the pricing, realize that SS games had tons of mechs and individually controlled things under the playfield.
I hope they succeed. Love the idea of anybody remaking classic solid state games. $7400 for a NIB Fathom isn’t terrible if it plays like the OG. If this has software emulated flippers then meh.
I just wish it was only one model with the new code for 8k, and if they wanted an LE then add some clown puke RGB color and chrome trim. Or at least offer the new code with a chip / apron upgrade like the color roms CGC offer for $400.
Wow this is amazing! And to think what could be next is exciting... Centaur? (I think Centaur would have sold better than fathom on initial release even).
But like many pinball companies, I will believe it when we actually see them shipping and arriving AND they are problem free. Here's hoping it all works!
Quoted from Khabbi:Wow this is amazing! And to think what could be next is exciting... Centaur? (I think Centaur would have sold better than fathom on initial release even).
But like many pinball companies, I will believe it when we actually see them shipping and arriving AND they are problem free. Here's hoping it all works!
Dr. John Cosson just posted his NIB Celts unboxing on YouTube. They have shipped and game looks great.
I'm struggling with accepting the "Haggis" branding on the backglass, head and apron... I understand the need for it, but for whatever reason I'm getting hung up on it. I've always referred to the game as a "Bally Fathom"... that's on me obviously as it's not like there are other Fathom's out there (Until now)
Quoted from roar:I'm struggling with accepting the "Haggis" branding on the backglass, head and apron... I understand the need for it, but for whatever reason I'm getting hung up on it. I've always referred to the game as a "Bally Fathom"... that's on me obviously as it's not like there are other Fathom's out there (Until now)
I just noticed that. Ugh.
“Dad, what’s haggis?”
“Intestines boiled in a sheep’s stomach. Want to play pinball?”
“No, I’m going to throw up now.”
Quoted from roar:I'm struggling with accepting the "Haggis" branding on the backglass, head and apron
I think these guys name their companies while under the influence, because, let's face it, no rational sober mind would start a pinball company. "Haggis" is funny when you're passing the bong; less so when you see it lit up on a Fathom backglass.
Quoted from TreyBo69:It’s P3-ROC.
As per the interview on Pinball Profile, their Fathom remake is using FAST, so looks like they've switched systems! Interesting.
Quoted from Mudflaps:I just noticed that. Ugh.
“Dad, what’s haggis?”
“Intestines boiled in a sheep’s stomach. Want to play pinball?”
“No, I’m going to throw up now.”
Yup - and that right there is why I would never buy a Haggis game. The name alone makes me want to puke. Was hoping they’d rebrand, but too late.
As for this Fathom remake....not sure who this is for or if there’s a market for it. The people who love 80s SS & have wished for a remake were probably doing so in the hope that it would be cheaper than a CGC remake...and that’s not the case. So - they’re probably out as buyers. 80s games don’t have any cache to the NIBnewbs, so why would they buy this when they could buy something modern with a theme they like?
If a modern 80s style game like TNA can be made from scratch & sell for $6000...not sure why something they didn’t have to design is selling for so much more. Guess they’re just testing the FOMO LE NIB market to see if they’ll bite on anything. This will be interesting.
Quoted from Rarehero:Yup - and that right there is why I would never buy a Haggis game. The name alone makes me want to puke. Was hoping they’d rebrand, but too late.
As for this Fathom remake....not sure who this is for or if there’s a market for it. The people who love 80s SS & have wished for a remake were probably doing so in the hope that it would be cheaper than a CGC remake...and that’s not the case. So - they’re probably out as buyers. 80s games don’t have any cache to the NIBnewbs, so why would they buy this when they could buy something modern with a theme they like?
If a modern 80s style game like TNA can be made from scratch & sell for $6000...not sure why something they didn’t have to design is selling for so much more. Guess they’re just testing the FOMO LE NIB market to see if they’ll bite on anything. This will be interesting.
Yes, if they could produce an EBD or Centaur for the price of a Stern Pro, they would be very successful.
But at this price point (plus whatever shipping from Australia will add), I just don't see more than a handful of buyers. Of course, they may only have the capability to produce a handful of machines, so maybe that's the plan anyway.
Quoted from Rarehero:TNA can be made from scratch & sell for $6000...not sure why something they didn’t have to design is selling for so much more.
I think it was Stern who once mentioned drop banks don’t come cheap! 
Quoted from Doctor6:So how do I pre order?
Yeah, that's a good question. I, too, wish know this!
Quoted from SR230CC:I was excited until I saw the price + 2.0 not in the standard. How much would it cost to build one? If the rare parts are available eventually from Planetary.
It would cost a lot
The game is expensive, but it is certainly full of expensive stuff.
If the machine were called "haggis" and that was the art package that's one thing, but it's just a peculiar company name.
There are plenty of games by several companies with "hey look the company is named after me" names, with full fledged art packages that are more questionable than the word "haggis".
Quoted from andre060:As per the interview on Pinball Profile, their Fathom remake is using FAST, so looks like they've switched systems! Interesting.
I noticed that as well. FAST can be a bit cheaper for a homebrew product, but Idk what bulk rates are like for FAST and Multimorphic.
I believe this will be the first production FAST game?
Quoted from pinballcorpse:If the machine were called "haggis" and that was the art package that's one thing, but it's just a peculiar company name.
There are plenty of games by several companies with "hey look the company is named after me" names, with full fledged art packages that are more questionable than the word "haggis".
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Quoted from TreyBo69:it is certainly full of expensive stuff.
fathom under playfield (resized).jpgYeah, that's what the original looks like. The one without the modern controller, RGB lighting, LCD screens, etc
Those inline drop target backs with trip coils are no doubt crazy expensive to build these days.
I'm curious if anyone has a good idea on how much a new Fathom cost in 1981. It's when Bally was really putting a ton into the game. I wouldn't be surprised if this is somewhat comparable when inflation is taken into account.
Quoted from jjga:Pretty neat and much easier to buy than finding a used Fathom. I hope this does well.
Yeah. Not for me but I got a buddy not on pinside that is preordering one, so count one more coming to the states Haggis.
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