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Haggis Pinball - 2nd game = Fathom (officially defunct 7/2024)

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#10001 36 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

In failed pinball startups that are gonna lose a bunch of people money, there’s ALWAYS a “this was harder than expected and We are regrouping and won’t rest till all your games are made!” email a few months before the final collapse. This is a tradition going back to the first try of Magic Girl.
The “recapitalization” email was simply a clear signpost and admission that it was over, delivered softly enough to buy a little time. But I think most of us realized it was over for sure when that came out.

I agree with some of CrazyLevi's points of buying time and then think the phoenix activity of hiring someone to move things around and reduce the money to pay out and write it off as bankrupt and meanwhile have a $1 million of more stashed away.

https://asic.gov.au/for-business/small-business/closing-a-small-business/illegal-phoenix-activity/

#10002 36 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

In failed pinball startups that are gonna lose a bunch of people money, there’s ALWAYS a “this was harder than expected and We are regrouping and won’t rest till all your games are made!” email a few months before the final collapse. This is a tradition going back to the first try of Magic Girl.
The “recapitalization” email was simply a clear signpost and admission that it was over, delivered softly enough to buy a little time. But I think most of us realized it was over for sure when that came out.

I think most of us realised long before that Levi. It started to smell like funny when Mr SHIT STAIN went silent.

#10003 36 days ago
Quoted from swinks:

I agree with some of CrazyLevi's points of buying time and then think the phoenix activity of hiring someone to move things around and reduce the money to pay out and write it off as bankrupt and meanwhile have a $1 million of more stashed away.
https://asic.gov.au/for-business/small-business/closing-a-small-business/illegal-phoenix-activity/

He sure knew what he was doing in the end mate. Scumbag.

#10004 36 days ago
Quoted from jokerpoker:

He sure knew what he was doing in the end mate. Scumbag.

that he is, knowingly stealing off others

#10005 36 days ago

Looks like the Mr. Shit Stain name is starting to stick like a shit stain.

It’s the little things in life!!

#10006 36 days ago

A few of the numbers getting around a little wrong so thought to compile it something a little better - no names and no addresses. I did round up or down to the nearest dollar.

EDIT - a few errors in the previous ones - so deleted those - and replaced with a corrected version - sorry

thanks to those that messaged me with my mistakes - teaches for doing this after a big day and tied.

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#10007 36 days ago

starting the carrie harding video and....

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#10008 36 days ago
Quoted from jokerpoker:

I just can’t believe that Mr SHIT STAIN frankmac can just move on, run his other businesses like nothing has happened. I think it’s criminal that the law allows a CEO or what ever you call him to knowingly ask for money on games he knew wouldn’t be built. Then just move on, how does he sleep at night. I’m so glad I opted out after he first went silent and refused to answer calls and emails. Funny how they were available all hours when he wanted my deposit.
I think if I lived in Melbourne I’d have an old car painted up with “Damien is a liar and a cheat” parked in front of his business for all to see. I wonder how many people would trust him seeing that at the front door. As long as the car was registered it’s not illegal!
Mr SHIT STAIN is right…….SCUMBAG to his friends.

Why doesn't everyone just start leaving negative Google reviews on his business. Seems a good place to start.

#10009 36 days ago
Quoted from jardine:

Why donesn't everyone just start leaving negative Google reviews on his business. Seems a good place to start.

I suppose we can't technically call him a fraud just yet?

#10010 36 days ago
Quoted from swinks:

A few of the numbers getting around a little wrong so thought to compile it something a little better - no names and no addresses. I did round up or down to the nearest dollar.
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A minor correction to add, I have the document you got this information from and there is another column for superannuation owed which is missing from your Excel table, so the figures of what's owed to employees is actually much larger.

......one other observation from the document is that Damian and his wife, Georgia are missing from the list of names listed as "the amount the company owes to related employees". It's speculation, but could this mean that either:

* they paid themselves and superannuation in full, but not their employees; or

* alternatively Damian and his wife were never employed by Haggis Pinball pty ltd, but instead employees of Hartsco pty ltd and Haggis pinball pty ltd engaged Hartsco pty ltd for a service, or consulting contract.

#10011 36 days ago
Quoted from swinks:A few of the numbers getting around a little wrong so thought to compile it something a little better - no names and no addresses. I did round up or down to the nearest dollar.
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Not sure what you have done. But you have merged some companies together and got the figure completely wrong?

#10012 36 days ago
Quoted from FalconPunch:

Not sure what you have done. But you have merged some companies together and got the figure completely wrong?

Yeah, you are right falconpunch

#10013 36 days ago

I will check and correct - unless one document is slightly different to the other

#10014 36 days ago
Quoted from swinks:

I will check and correct - unless one document is slightly different to the other

yes, with the companies I selected and copied from pdf to mac spreadsheet and it stuff it up and I missed it - the rest, I did manually - double check me.

have replaced the screenshots above in post 10006

#10015 36 days ago
Quoted from PinballShoppe:

I suppose we can't technically call him a fraud just yet?

Hmmm not so sure about that. Isn’t it fraudulent to ring customers of said completion of their game knowing it’s not going to happen.

#10016 36 days ago
Quoted from swinks:

yes, with the companies I selected and copied from pdf to mac spreadsheet and it stuff it up and I missed it - the rest, I did manually - double check me.
have replaced the screenshots above in post 10006

You still have 2 companies tied together:

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#10017 36 days ago
Quoted from jokerpoker:

I just can’t believe that Mr SHIT STAIN frankmac can just move on, run his other businesses like nothing has happened. I think it’s criminal that the law allows a CEO or what ever you call him to knowingly ask for money on games he knew wouldn’t be built. Then just move on, how does he sleep at night..

Pretty well I imagine.

I have run into people like this, they think they are clever duping a bunch of people into giving them money.

They blame you for being stupid enough to trust them in the first place so feel zero guilt about the matter.

There will never be a "Sorry I messed up" statement because they don't feel sorry at all.

#10018 36 days ago
Quoted from swinks:

I agree with some of CrazyLevi's points of buying time and then think the phoenix activity of hiring someone to move things around and reduce the money to pay out and write it off as bankrupt and meanwhile have a $1 million of more stashed away.
https://asic.gov.au/for-business/small-business/closing-a-small-business/illegal-phoenix-activity/

That website pretty much sums it up. Good find swinks .

#10019 36 days ago

Lots of talk on here, and some great valid points, but has anyone brought all these to the attention of the liquidator and the authorities in Aus yet?

#10020 36 days ago
Quoted from AlanJ:

Lots of talk on here, and some great valid points, but has anyone brought all these to the attention of the liquidator and the authorities in Aus yet?

There should be a stickied post or google drive with all of the contact info we can find, like that website swinks posted -

"You can report phoenix behaviour by:
calling 1800 060 062
completing a Tip-Off form available from the ATO website
emailing [email protected]."

At that point we should be calling/emailing with all of the evidence we have gathered about trading while insolvent, suspicious debts, etc.

#10021 36 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

The “recapitalization” email was simply a clear signpost and admission that it was over, delivered softly enough to buy a little time. But I think most of us realized it was over for sure when that came out.

When you announce you are trying to recapitalize it means you can't find any capital and you are desperate to find some. It was all over.

Given what I have read and heard no one in their right mind would give them money.

#10022 36 days ago
Quoted from Stuieb84:

A minor correction to add, I have the document you got this information from and there is another column for superannuation owed which is missing from your Excel table, so the figures of what's owed to employees is actually much larger.
......one other observation from the document is that Damian and his wife, Georgia are missing from the list of names listed as "the amount the company owes to related employees". It's speculation, but could this mean that either:
* they paid themselves and superannuation in full, but not their employees; or
* alternatively Damian and his wife were never employed by Haggis Pinball pty ltd, but instead employees of Hartsco pty ltd and Haggis pinball pty ltd engaged Hartsco pty ltd for a service, or consulting contract.

In the US for an LLC, any equity holder of a business is not classified as an employee. Any payouts to equity holders is via an owners draw. Perhaps that explains their missing names from the employee list.

#10023 36 days ago

I see these Fathom NIB ads on Pinside and after watching the Cary Hardy video I wonder what kind of bomb are in them.
Those two stories of them opening their NIB and the major problems they had at the unboxing was interesting..

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#10024 36 days ago
Quoted from Grantman:

Yancy was mocking everyone here and continues to blame the victims for the fraud that was committed.

Given Yancys previous postings, he is in good company with the fake documents.

#10025 36 days ago
Quoted from oldskool1969:

Don't know about Gillian? I presume you were implying moi? Gilligan

think before you type please.
your flippancy may be the detriment of others.

#10026 36 days ago
Quoted from swinks:

A few of the numbers getting around a little wrong so thought to compile it something a little better - no names and no addresses. I did round up or down to the nearest dollar.
EDIT - a few errors in the previous ones - so deleted those - and replaced with a corrected version - sorry
thanks to those that messaged me with my mistakes - teaches for doing this after a big day and tied.[quoted image]

The Uk distributor stated on the uk forum (pinball info) he is out around 31K aus not 21K. Just for info..

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#10027 36 days ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

think before you type please.
your flippancy may be the detriment of others.

Good grief, coming from you.
I can not see why anyone would get offended, but then again I can’t take my hobby too serious.
I keep looking at the title of the thread and wondering if a new one should be started
and all the last content transferred across as some owners do enjoy their game and want
to participate without feeling guilty or accountable for what has happened.
Surely that’s fair, no?

#10029 36 days ago
Quoted from applejuice:

The Uk distributor stated on the uk forum (pinball info) he is out around 31K aus not 21K. Just for info..

yes owed 3 games

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#10030 36 days ago
Quoted from oldskool1969:

Good grief, coming from you.
I can not see why anyone would get offended, but then again I can’t take my hobby too serious.
I keep looking at the title of the thread and wondering if a new one should be started
and all the last content transferred across as some owners do enjoy their game and want
to participate without feeling guilty or accountable for what has happened.
Surely that’s fair, no?

Those were your own words, pal. You said people should be careful what they type about the dangers of Haggis because it could hurt people. Now that everyone was right, you say your words had no effect and you're being unfairly targeted. Hypocrisy at its finest. No, nothing you've said or done so far is fair. The only haggis owners (and one non owner) who anybody has any vitriol toward are the 3 guys who are too dumb to realize what shmucks they've been throughout the entire ordeal. I'm sure you can figure them out. Nobody else should feel guilty or accountable in any way.

#10031 36 days ago
Quoted from Yesh23:

Wondering what the recapitalization email was all about.

Just an assumption, it could've been about buying him more time to get everything straight to the point that he could exit Haggis the way he did.

#10032 36 days ago

In before OldSkool gets another broken record ejection

#10033 36 days ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

Those were your own words, pal. You said people should be careful what they type about the dangers of Haggis because it could hurt people. Now that everyone was right, you say your words had no effect and you're being unfairly targeted. Hypocrisy at its finest. No, nothing you've said or done is fair. The only haggis owners (and one non owner) who anybody has any vitriol toward are the 3 guys who are too dumb to realize what shmucks they've been throughout the entire ordeal. I'm sure you can figure them out. Nobody else should feel guilty or accountable in any way

Can we not feed the trolls.

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#10034 36 days ago
Quoted from oldskool1969:

Good grief, coming from you.
I can not see why anyone would get offended, but then again I can’t take my hobby too serious.
I keep looking at the title of the thread and wondering if a new one should be started
and all the last content transferred across as some owners do enjoy their game and want
to participate without feeling guilty or accountable for what has happened.
Surely that’s fair, no?

The lack of self-awareness is astounding.

#10035 36 days ago
Quoted from meSz:

Just an assumption, it could've been about buying him more time to get everything straight to the point that he could exit Haggis the way he did.

That's what I was thinking as well, nothing about recapping but buying a bit more time to set up the liquidation.

#10036 36 days ago
Quoted from oldskool1969:

Good grief, coming from you.
I can not see why anyone would get offended, but then again I can’t take my hobby too serious.
I keep looking at the title of the thread and wondering if a new one should be started
and all the last content transferred across as some owners do enjoy their game and want
to participate without feeling guilty or accountable for what has happened.
Surely that’s fair, no?

Blame Mr. Shit Stain aka Mr. Shit Head for this Shit show!

#10037 36 days ago
Quoted from frankmac:

Blame Mr. Shit Stain aka Mr. Shit Head for this Shit show!

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#10038 35 days ago

Is the shit stain thing some reference I'm missing?

#10039 35 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Is the shit stain thing some reference I'm missing?

I don't think it's too subtle or deep. Someone just decided to call Damien "Shit Stain" and it's been embraced.

#10040 35 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

I don't think it's too subtle or deep. Someone just decided to call Damien "Shit Stain" and it's been embraced.

I'd imagine Damien would welcome the change, because it's confusing and his name would show up in searches less. Stick with Damien

#10041 35 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Is the shit stain thing some reference I'm missing?

Not to be political but I see it used a lot on Reddit by people labeling others who are not of their type.

#10042 35 days ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Fake. Yancy was trying to be funny I guess?

You know it's a good prank when they delete two posts and eject you.

#10043 35 days ago
Quoted from applejuice:

The Uk distributor stated on the uk forum (pinball info) he is out around 31K aus not 21K. Just for info..

the spreadsheet just captures the creditors document only,

to add some people said their details were not captured at all so the liquidators creditors list seems to be missing info which would then be on Damian, Damian's partner or Damian's sister.

one mistake in the spreadsheet which I have not fixed is the employee list - A. Hartin is Damian's sister and not partner

#10044 35 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Is the shit stain thing some reference I'm missing?

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#10045 35 days ago

Got it. So just a naughty word and not a reference to an embarrassing trousers photo or something

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#10046 35 days ago

In all honesty, I still don’t get why.
BUT
I’m willing to move on and let it be.
Good luck everybody

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#10047 35 days ago
Quoted from oldskool1969:

Good grief, coming from you.
I can not see why anyone would get offended, but then again I can’t take my hobby too serious.
I keep looking at the title of the thread and wondering if a new one should be started
and all the last content transferred across as some owners do enjoy their game and want
to participate without feeling guilty or accountable for what has happened.
Surely that’s fair, no?

Short answer.
The production cost of your game was paid for by other people who had their money stolen from them.
It wasn't your action or your choice, nor did you know about it at the time, but that's what happened.
And that's not fair at all.

#10048 35 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Someone just decided to call Damien "Shit Stain" and it's been embraced.

Well, there goes my plans to lure Damian out of hiding and embarrass him into paying everyone back by calling him "Mr. Pee-Pee Poo-Poo Head". Looks like you guys have it all under control.

#10049 35 days ago
Quoted from blueberryjohnson:

Got it. So just a naughty word and not a reference to an embarrassing trousers photo or something

You ask you receive

#10050 35 days ago

there is a bit of a discrepancy between debt figures listed on the different liquidation documents, but that is to be expected. The liquidators investigate and reconcile figures after they receive the self-report from the director. For example, the figures listed for flip n out, RS pinball, and Pinball heaven change between the liquidation documents.

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