I would consider one if there were parts available. Unfortunately it could turn into a paperweight.

We've had this discussion a few pages back. These games will never turn into paperweights. The electronics are FAST, the flipper mechs are BLY/WMS.

The highest risk in my mind is dropping the playfield so hard that it cracks the plastic - a real concern as the rear of the playfield has wheels and there is no prop rod. But I do think conversion to a wood playfield is possible if required.

There you have it folks.

Haggis not to blame.

It’s “the system.”

I knew something was fishy in pinball!!

They would have really had to come up with a robust prop for this. The playfield is quite heavy. You need support on both sides at the same time. Even using the single prop on our Centaur at our club feels sketch to me.

Aren't you the guy who sent me a bunch of love letters when I was warning people that haggis could be a scam? Telling me I was an idiot and troll and whatever dumb names you could think of via PM for speaking out? Saying how wrong I was, and that I'd see and feel really stupid when Haggis triumphed over everyone? I, for the life of me, cannot fathom (no pun intended) the level of ignorance it takes for guys like you and gilligan to come in here and keep acting like you guys are being victimized and everyone should just forget about your bad behavior and move on. Its like taking a giant dump and gassing everyone out of the place then trying to act like you're walking through a rose garden. To Punkin's credit, at least he is the only one who hasn't been going around acting like a complete knob after the thing happened that we all thought was going to happen. He's at least keeping his mouth shut, which is better than whatever wacky stuff you 2 guys have been up to.

Punkin talked a good game but when it came time to pay up he ran out the door. Haggis’s fanboy to the very end…

This was on Facebook, a portion of the Haggis "no words" video so I ripped and uploaded a copy:

A lot of people with no words to say now.

Haggis sure had a lot of money to spend on fancy playfield shipping boxes, Christmas ornaments and slick videos. One thing that set off alarm bells in my head.

Honestly I'm surprised he's not on here doing his tough guy shtick but hiding with your tail between your legs is certainly preferable to spewing ignorance

'work in progress' NIL
'plant and machinery' 3k

Can you link the source? Eye-popping info

I just got the email as well

lot of private info in the email......

over 40 pages ..... has peoples (creditors) addresses etc

presume everyone with an interest in it will get the email.....

he must have been trading while insolvent to get THAT far behind!

employees hadnt been paid either and parts suppliers etc

Where’s Gilligan to defend this POS?

Someone named Punkin’s Brew lost 14,500 AUD to Haggis, so there’s that….

Yeah it has all of our personal information for those of us that paid in full or made deposits. Hopefully it doesn’t get posted here.

pretty sure there are many more that are not on the list yet

I'll bet.

I have been talking to distributors to let them know that FAST is here to help them support their customers on FAST electronics in Fathom. Just trying to find manageable ways to help support those left unsupported on FAST-powered games.

If you are/were a Fathom distributor and we haven't spoken yet, please reach out.

Aaron
FAST Pinball

my name is in there.... probably best not to share the doc.
Sorry to a known US distro, thats a chunk... I wonder though if they didn't do the currency conversions properly for USA creditors. The numbers are very round.

Not that it will matter much, the major creditors are listed as themselves, and the amount to recoup is a couple of cents on the dollar....

Remove the personal info and post (or summarize) the rest, when convenient

So, you see, we now know who the biggest victim was

So Damian has claimed $1,009,000 for himself.

Common practise in these cases but always pisses me off. Owners/directors should not be allowed to join the unsecured creditors pool with everyone else. They should have another category that sits at the very bottom called "Creditors Directly Responsible For The Failure And Collapse Of This Business That Should Also Be Subject To A Public Flogging".

On top of that he syphoned off any assets worth anything anyway.

Fraudulent.

Not that it would make any difference - there is no distribution coming.

And I cant believe he is still sending out C&D demands to protect his so called "reputation". Honestly, even the most offensive public slander would have to be a net benefit to his reputation at this point.

totally agree in situation like these the law should allow liquidation of the multiple companies that he put things in - like machinery under Hartsco and probably deposits to his Super Fund business (speculation), then go after his property - shouldn't be allowed to run any business... now and in the future.

This stuff is just depressing - no winners in this situation

MARTY wasn't 3 floors away from Damien working in some multi tiered corporation. They were holding each others hand the whole way. He knew exactly what was going down.... for a while too. Yet still banged away on his podcast that everything was roses.
Sorry no reservation of judgement here. Based on common sense, facts, and logic.

thanks for sharing FalconPunch

that is alot of deposits / full payments stolen.....

$850k to customers.

These sorts of collapses also affect other manufacturers. I know of a couple of definite Spooky sales that were ready to go ahead but had to pull out because of what they lost to this.

Then there is the lack of trust and confidence and general mood in the hobby.

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Post removed as I may be misunderstanding some of the information in the document.

very likely even more than that .... know of a few that are not on the list of creditors ....

... wasnt that the lawyers/liquidators fees?

Yeah, I wondered that - I had to actually send in my proof of creditor. And hence, I am listed. What about those who didn't, would they all be listed?

I realized that on a re-read and had already removed my post - you must have managed to get the quote in before my edit!

Also, these are in AUD. But yeh, insolvency accountancy is lucrative.

Man that's crazy. Over $720,000 USD of distributor's and customer's hard earned money gone.

Playing pinball develops fast reaction times!

Could you register a caveat or similar over his development (if you are out of pocket) and make him take steps to remove?

in nz directors still remain personally liable for gst and tax owed by limited company so there is a sliver hope Damian may be held liable for that cost / absolutely heart broken though for those customers that lost their hard earned money - the time line of this one is very curious and I doubt if anything other than moving assets physically and off the books was happening after May - my own opinion is that they are both guilty of misleading and deceptive conduct. There is an absolute standup operator and nice guy in our little country who got burnt by these a-holes / I feel for everyone that has lost out.

.....with financials like this, the overseas trips to the Texas Pinball Festival are pretty terrible

and that 146k business loan must have had some interesting spin on the financials to get it

True .... don't think the liquidators realized initially the scale of this... and yes, if it goes to ASIC (noticed they need to notify them in the email), ASIC has VERY long arms

Fa*k, just saw the distributor figure $250k over the 3 distro’s.

What a clusterf*ck.

Wow.

How do those “always back an Aussie” quotes hold up?

Awful to see how many people will be left out of pocket by this fiasco.

If there were crimes committed by those in charge of Haggis Pinball, I truly hope they are held to account.

So looks like it really cost $20k a game to manufacture in Australia as 250 games made and 2.5 million in debt means a loss of $10k for each game manufactured.

Yeah wow, really? I genuinely think he went in with good intentions but had zero idea of how to cost such an undertaking, and then unfortunately rolled the dice trying to sell his way out of trouble rather than waiving the white flag early.

Were 250 actually produced? Will make that amount per game higher if 150 were made.