They're not on there because of licencing costs.

Tell him this too, "Stop raising prices for striped down games"

(Who is Jared? Hope he's not that Subway bloke.)

And the artwork is very poor. Really hope there's a chance of it changing.

It's Jake.....from state farm.

i like your effort but do you think $tern really care?

Gary will sell every game made. Pin is going to be great. Once a flipping video is up all of this art-pocolypse talk will stop. Just wait and see.

Also would you walk into your bosses office, a man who knows how to make a pinball business work, even survive in the face of absolute disaster, and tell him he's made a mistake? Gary is gonna ship tons of this pin, make tons of money, every buyer will love it, while people bragging about their Hobbit and Alien pin are just staring at an empty space in the room.

I absolutely would.

I would and do expect that from my employees.

It's like The Sopranos if they had Adriana, Danielle and Patsy Parisi on the back glass.

I already told my distributer that I will not be getting the LE because of the art. Frankly I don't think the are is so good on the side head either 'groins on fire'. But the side head is something I can overlook by burring the pin in the lineup.

The back glass
actual artwork I give it a C+
content I give it a F-
dynamic or intensity or telling. Story I give it a C+

I understand in the end the house of Tarragon will join the rest of the houses in Westeros but for 80% of the story they are not even on the same continent.

Yes, because the art on GOT looks terrible and the cabinet / backglass art almost amateurish. All models lack the Game of Thrones vibe that I thought they would have.

"Gary is gonna ship tons of this pin, make tons of money, every buyer will love it"....please just stop. People are fed up with the high prices, less features, no LCD, and Stern not pursuing additional licensing details. Hey who cares right? Take my $5k-$8k anyway! More and more people are starting to say no.

Personally, I don't drop $8k on a pin regularly (just like I don't buy a car regularly) so I don't mind waiting for a high quality feature packed game that fully utilizes a license such as Hobbit or Alien.

See what you did Kaneda? Now I am thumbing up Panzer!

I've come to terms with a stripped down Pro version after 24 hours, but not having Khaleesi or Jon Snow on the translite or cabinet had me scratching my head. 2 of the favourites!!! Would be like AC/DC pin leaving out Angus. Sorry, you have to get the Premium if you want Angus".

The biggest issue of all with the Pro? It's Game of Thrones pinball and no throne included. What a tough financial climate we live in.

Jared doesn't have to do a thing, Gary will be aware of this. I feel bad for Jared during a time like this. Nothing he can do. I admit it guys, they really f***** up this one. But I also think collectors are addicted to the next new thing and will gobble this up. Most collectors aren't on pinside. I know thing to accept but it's true

Unfortunately everything is more expensive these days. That includes the price for Stern to make these games. It's the same reason why $15/hour McDonalds employees means that you will now have to pay $10.00 for a Big Mac meal you used to get for $5.00...

Can't have your cake and eat it too. The economy is thriving and unemployment is low. People have disposable income, which means that everything you buy in the world is going to cost more. In the middle of the next recession, you can buy $5,000 pins again. Of course you won't be able to afford them being out of work and all...

I'm not suggesting Stern will not sell a number of these pins, but it'll be more on the low side when it could possibly have been on the high side. Mainly due to the art. I think the layout looks cool especially on the LE. Also these pins still do not have a color display. For close to $8000, really sucks we need to buy a color DMD for an additional $400. So in the end I'm predicting more like The Avengers or TWD sales for this pin.

Its all a setup... they'll sell plenty for now and then down the road do a VE with all new artwork and sell a ton more.

I was in on this pin, but after seeing the art on the pro and LE, I am considering buy a MMR or getting back in on the Hobbit. Come on Stern!! You can see the Hobbit art package, what were you thinking?? Did you really think we all were going to buy 2-3 medieval themes?? Your job was to destroy the competition and you did the opposite! I am so afraid of what comic spidey will look like.......

You did good until this. Top-level people read that and go "Doesn't matter what we do; we still have people who can't help themselves and buy whatever we put out - change nothing!!!!!!"

Purely hypothetical... but would Comic Spidey be treated as a new machine or as a VE? Just wondered if an LCD might make it onto this one

Comic Spidey is being created to milk money out of an existing successful game.....my guess is, no chance for LCD and limited investment on recreating animations. That being said, my expectation is it will blow the original art package away.

I'm hoping Todd McFarlane (or similar) artwork with new dots and color display

image.jpg

I'm guessing somebody will eventually retheme a MM into a GoT and change all the artwork. Boom! New GoT!

Or just retheme GOT into a real GOT pin. BOOM

The thing with the artwork though is, HBO had to provide all the official images to Stern. Stern didn't just go take a couple images from Google Images. HBO's marketing/design department had to send them the high quality images to work with. So while HBO had to approve the final design, they also approved any images they sent to Stern to use in the artwork.

I don't watch the show, so I have no opinion of the characters. But there are a few levels of approval. This wasn't just Sterns fault.

Unemployment low?

That would be like say Jon Snow's heavy friend (don't know his name) only weighs 150 pounds, because he isn't counting the other 150.

Anyway, I know the art for the game is on the blah side, but the more I look at the playfield layout, the more I see what could be a very exciting game.

I can't speak about AC/DC (haven't played it enough), but Star Trek is an exciting game.

Somewhat agree. They are on there together because they are all from the same family. But, didn't the dude die in the first or second season?

I just finished the first season last night. He looked dead to me.

This is like the "girl" version of Tron. The blonde chick was a minor character, but, she was a chick, and chicks sell.

Already been done into another medieval theme, and they included a min PF in the top left corner... and they have posted about this for a year... AND it looks a hellavah lot like what stern did.... and they noted this after the reveal....HMMM....!

Same here.

Why would giving him feedback be a negative thing? Don't be an ass kissing yes-man. A boss should be mature enough to accept criticism without taking it out on their employees.

This further illustrates how members of Pinside have no idea how the internal art and sound decisions are made for a game. Gary has no say whatsoever about what is on the backless of a machine. And frankly, he shouldn't really care at all. The owner of the license has the final approval and they are typically VERY critical and specific about exactly what and who is on a specific backglass. They don't have to agree to any Stern demands. It's more often, exactly the opposite.

Remember that giant AMC logo on TWD? You think Stern actually wanted that ugly thing on the game?

If it Jared from Subway, he gives a new meaning to the term had me your 6 inch.

Exactly.

I thought it was "eat fresh"

K

Agreed.

IMHO I like the pro backglass much better, reflective of the show.

Well, sure, if you consider 1 out of 3 adults not employed that's pretty low.

The unemployment number is low... actual (real) unemployment and under employment is way too high. The economy is also far from thriving.

Yeah so 5 years ago it was 10% and today it's 5%. If you don't have a job today then you work in a bad industry or are lazy... Any "fuzzy math" people like to quote also existed 5 years ago when looking at the 10% figure.

on topic - it's too late to change the artwork, so threads like these are pointless. I'm more concerned with how it plays - people always come up with better artwork and the LE cabinet looks pretty good with the exception of the backglass. Give it a few months and someone will create an amazing one to swap with.

Also looking forward to seeing the premium artwork.

and only 2% actually believe this.

The economy is thriving?

The worst gum ever was/is Fruit Stripe. Remember that stuff? It tasted awesome for 3 seconds, then lost all flavor.

I'll just have to tape a poster to the LE back glass on mine.

LFP_Participation.jpg

While I agree on the flaw, the backglass remains a nice rendering and 100% relevant to the show. I would put the LE backglass lower than a couple dozen more pressing issues with the playfield that are not at all related to the show.