They likely have approval of things that aren't programmed yet, this all takes time. So they might have lot of movie clips, audio, music, etc ready approved, but its just not in the current code yet and being still implemented.

Eh to be fair this pretty much applies to like every game recently? All these Sterns that would be sitting in dealers inventories for weeks/months unsold, readily available and even sold used at discounts, now with the pinflation period and once they are discontinued, you got these former turkeys selling for 2-4k over original asking. In a couple months once last run is done, we will see TMNT going for way beyond asking when dealers have had stock sitting around left and right.

Glitch has Bond Pro now. They took out Mando, Led Zep and STTNG. They got instead Star Wars Pro, Stranger Things, Black Knight Revenge, and TNA now also

The prices are really getting ridiculous and it seems to be showing with how slow some of these units are moving. So many pins out there, limited space, so much competition, and just increasing prices, I think we are starting to see a slow down in general.

Such a simple thing the bond women multiplier idea, they already know what it will do, yet it somehow isn't in the game. Assume something so simple like that is being held up with asset approval on how they will be adding in the ladies.

Soooo new code soon? Gonna be almost a month now

Well that last one was a bug fix release tho

Problem with modes to me is that they require too many shots in too little time. Either cut down on some of the shots required or give players more time.

Well there goes that whole idea of them getting out code quicker that Gomez mentioned

They got lot of stock building up at dealers and a new run already in April. It's in their best interest to improve the game cause it's new and they want their cornerstones to sell for years. Dealers still got stock laying about and it's not good that a new rush of inventory is gonna come in soon already. Clearly for a new release they probably expected it to sell better. So they have every reason to work on this and get the game up to snuff.

As for waiting it sucks, but we had to wait over 7 months for a decent code drop for Halloween recently. So if they can at least keep updates every month, that's not terrible. But they do need to improve the quantity of content in these updates.

The 60th also probably took away resources if they are having to deal with licensing and if that's already a pain, they are having to coordinate two different products as well as approvals for two machines. As Gomez noted they got new music in 60th which is coming to the Cornerstone too, so they had to go and get that approved, so if it's taking a long time to work with the licensors then yea they are splitting resources.

Not so much them going slow, but probably having licensors telling them "no" on their ideas, forcing them to change and resubmit over and over. Then if there is problems with not allowing them to stack assets of different films, that probably was not in their original designs, so back to drawing board.

I think it's clear there is a serious unexpected roadblock with the IP holder

It's probably asset approval since each involves movie clips. Same reason we seem to not have Bond Women implemented

This new code update must be huge. Right? RIGHT?

So my buddies Pro model, the left speaker seems to crackle on higher outputting sound bites, and they don't have their volume super high. Some things sound find but then in certain modes or sounding moments, it's very tingy sounding (word?) and crackles. Also the pop bumpers really create a crackling sound and almost sounds like the pops are rattling something in the cabinet that feels/sounds like it's near the flippers even. It's really weird sounding machine

Yea sounds like a similar issue to what we are hearing. Any good recommendations of good cheap speakers to replace the stock sterns?

Local dealer has quite a few NIB that haven't moved since the last run, and more coming in April already. They have had several traded in already and it's taking time to move too. It's all the same comments, the code is so bare bones. But prices are down for sure cause these are not moving.

Stern needs to give a damn and push the code cause they want this to be a corner stone and after it's initial run the demand has completely dried up. Retailers are gonna get more stock that wont move in a few weeks. This is meant to last a few years on market, they need to turn around the opinion and reviews of the game soon.

I think timing is more of an issue right now. Their new cornerstone landing with a thud and heavy code complaints, slow updating, all while Stern is already putting out a new cornerstone getting tons of attention, folks trying to dump the machine now. Huge influx of competition is forcing trades

Don't expect miracle but Gomez said they were gonna speed up updates and now we've seen the opposite.

Maybe they will surprise us and next update will be a big one.

Well all the modes should be at least programmed in the game to be "mature". Currently a bunch of stuff on the playfield does nothing at all. The entire bond women row and feature does not work. Majority of the Q gadgets are not in the game. No wizard modes.

The premium is not worth it at all. Bond on a wand, whatever. The art package is only real upgrade.

Yea the past is past. We are spending big money on these machines and if we aren't happy with them, I mean, what do we care about the past history? Reason why folks are quick to just dump a machine, trade it in, and get something else till they are happy. Code complaints aren't going to go away cause of history of other games, code complaints exist because the code sucks.

Everyone who plays it seems to love the shots and how smooth it is, cause it really is a good shooter, they all really like it. It's just when you put time into it and learn the game it shows it's warts and how limited it is. It's a solid designed game with so much potential.

I think it's a little too difficult, the modes could be better designed and timed really.

Thats part of the code jank folks hope gets fixed up, cause really it's just playing long clip of footage with no real context or reasoning behind it. Halloween for example in the modes as you hit targets will play clips that advance the scenario as your playing through part of a movie. Godzilla is similar with clips related to a kaiju battle and how your doing in it. Ultraman is same with scoring hits being Ultraman hitting or attacking the kaiju. In Bond it's just weirdly chosen clips that just feel like there is zero editing done to them, just let them play.

The Dr No Henchmen mode, where you watch the slow entry scene, as he's given a spider, it's just so pointless for a pinball

Maybe it's like Spooky who lost their programmer for Halloween and UM and had to bring in someone new. We had to wait nearly 7 months for a real code update.

Maybe someone new would be beneficial to the game if it is the programmers fault.

But seriously they need to give us something soon. If they put out a code update this week or next and it's like "we added one new gadget"......

Pitchfork time!

He's supposed to be selling a product, and the bad code is clearly having an effect. Almost every dealer is sitting on unsold bonds, and they got another run coming up real soon. This is bad for the game and stern in general. They need to show effort and make a difference to get these machines moving. I don't think anyone at Stern will be happy with "the code will be better in a couple years" when distributors stop wanting to buy the game. So many trade ins already at our local shop, and they got at least 3 NIB sitting there now for a long time. I know the other big dealer in the area also has NIB Pros and Prem in stock. Just going through almost every online pinball shop the game is readily available in stock and ready to ship. Not a good look in the current pin environment and a brand new highly hyped release. It's wayyyy to soon for the demand to crater on the machine.

All these new titles being announced is also going to decrease the attention on bond and probably entice even more folks wanting to dump the game for something else.

The "code will mature" thing is normal, but folks are clearly unhappy and that should take priority to a business.

Stern surely does. If Lonnie gives none, then fire him and put someone else on the code.

Distros set up orders months in advance, also why the production schedules are set up way in advance too, these are expensive machines that need commitments. Many have orders for stuff like Godzilla, Deadpools, Iron Maidens, etc way in advance. Bond just launched, they likely expected it to do better, and some distros/dealers likely put in orders for more units soon after launch as well. Can that change? Of course. Why is bond being made so soon? Because it's their new cornerstone, they already follow them up fairly quick with new production runs. They likely never expected dealers to be sitting on stock still at this point. Literally just look around at the dealers locally. Look at the online stores. The game is available pretty much everywhere, that means stock is sitting there after so much time since the last run of the product. This isn't imaginary product.

Now the problem is many distros and dealers likely already put in orders months in advance for future waves, they probably didn't expect the product to not have sold after all this time. Course notice many are offering free shipping now also, from dealers who normally don't offer this. They need to move inventory, cause they probably got more coming.

This isn't new for high priced items with the way they are sold and turn around times. The problem will be apparent down the line as distros wise up and simply cut their orders or basically not want any.

I mean its funny that the social media post about the Foo Fighters code is like 40% people asking about Bond code lol

Of course they are... it's called releasing Foo Fighters.

No one cares about Bond right now, all attention on Foo

Sharpening the forks. Lets get this party started

Can we add stern to the scammer website/seller post?

I don't think communication matters really, what all we ask for is just some code and a complete game. The little additions with the code so far have not been much or very satisfying. And the long periods of time it's taking is making it worse. If they were delivering code as they said on a quicker pace and just kept adding on a regular basis, then folks would be happier, but now we've had the biggest gap yet, and this after being told it would speed up. I suspect that new code comes, folks will still not be totally happy, cause the anger has built up now, all while they see all these hot new games coming out and more robust codes being deployed.

We don't need communication, we need solid progress on code

It needs more music variety bad

Getting in all the modes in is important, and assume their main goal. But then it's also making it all gel together better. Still game is missing alot, so really need to see them at least filling out the crap that's listed on the PF.

If this new update coming out is just them adding like one new mode.... this is going to take a long long time

I got a hankering for some pitchforking

Pitchfork Tuesdays!

TPF pitchfork squad, find Gomez

Priority if anything is to release code with new content since so much is missing. They don't want to be releasing code constantly either, it's a pain for everyone so they do need to space it out, but they need to have meaty content also in the updates. Just update for some scoring stuff alone is not going to get pitchforks put away.

It really is probably a mix of both. A bad combination of factors

I realize it's happened only without me noticing, but what is the Goldfinger target that triggers the spectre weapons? I never noticed what I did to start it and for the life of me have no idea what target they are speaking of

It's always done that?

Do you know how many pitchforks I can get for $750?

So if nothing tomorrow, we riot right?

They are adding in wizard modes before finishing adding in basic playfield modes that are missing? Seriously?

Mentions 4 new background tunes. New themes added? Generic Bond themes? Wonder what that is.

If that is new music for the background, then that already makes this a good update

How the bond women isn't in the game is just ridiculous. Only can imagine it's being held up by them wanting to create full on presentations with video of the ladies as they are introduced, but still they could at least put it in the game with the current girl flash cards they have and allow players to activate

I mean it's in character: https://media.tenor.com/zUXmdajiQuAAAAAC/james-bond-slap.gif

.01 update increments, it seems that they plan to really drip feed update the game at this point with one new feature per update, and some random fixes. The Q gadgets alone will get it to .92 ....?

I agree, they should be focusing on the basic main modes first. Get all Q gadgets in, get the Bond Women feature to do SOMETHING. Before Wizard modes. But I guess they are trying to add something to appease those who feel they tapped out on the game already, and need something to achieve instead.

They already got approval for it for use in the 60th game, so probably easier to add it then.

If so it makes it even stranger that the feature isn't in the game, it's just a multiplier you activate. Only thing I can imagine is that when you hit the action button, it's meant to trigger the lit bond girl you have collected, which would play an intro or video for said bond girl. If licensing is an issue, imagine this could be a reason as they would need to have the assets for every girl done and approved probably to do it, so it's going to be more work to implement.

The new mini wizard mode

So folks whining about the Moby thing, what are the other 4 tunes they added?

The new music for the background is great. Can't place where they are from but seems to be an assortment of instrumental bond music from various films.

You have to have triggered jetpack MB, Bird 1 MB, and one henchmen mode, and one villain mode. Then you can start the mini wizard mode

They need more Connery call outs and lines

The moby version of the Bond theme plays when you trigger the wizard mode

The readme says it's two shots I thought?

No it's common for them to make some elements easier on their games with updated code. They made like the first Kaiju battle super easy in Godzilla. They just want players to get to the fun faster, it helps get folks excited and want to keep playing.

The music is accurate, only one of the 5 new tunes is not exactly period specific, and it's for a wizard mode

I think all anyone wants is them to consistently update. They were doing about once every 4 weeks or so, but after the last update they had said they were speeding up to quicker updates... yet then we got the biggest gap in code releases. If they can do like a 3 week regular update, then I think folks would be happier.

I think it's fine, but perhaps they should consider doing like what they did with Godzilla, where you can choose an alternate song/track when you get to MB so you don't hear the same song over and over

Deadflip is streaming the new code right now. It sounds like George might be going on the show also possibly? Maybe he will talk the code developments

They just said that they hope to have another update code release next week already

Yea he's mentioned this thread a few times lol. I lol'd at tank talk.

Sounded like all the skillshots should be added by next week. Also there will be combo code added in.

Dont think he said new Q stuff yet, but was acknowledging that only two modes work right now and how folks were sick of hearing the Q Ring lady.

Gomez bringing up the licensor requiring them to play the clips used in order, and not allowing the chopping up of scenes, which seems confirm and explain some of the odd scene choices which just play out as they do.

I know folks want the actual songs in, but most of them were just so... weird for a pinball machine personally. In pretty much every movie there was more upbeat instrumental versions of the main themes played for use in action sequences and such, which to me are much better choices. For example You Only Live Twice is like a lounge song, slow, romantic... odd for pinball. But during the rooftop/port chase there is the upbeat instrumental of this played which fits much better and these are perfect for use in the themed modes

Yep the action suites is what I was thinking.

They paid for Moby, they are not gonna dump it at this point. At best they introduce an option to change it for those who don't like it.

Every time you hit a target, a random character from one of the Connery era films says James name as it also shows a movie poster and zooms in on "James Bond". If you complete the mode and get the super jackpot, you are rewarded with the first scene we meet Bond, and he first says the "Bond, James Bond" line.

They said they are coming last night

I don't care about being a certain level of "fan". I'm saying, they paid for the track, cause they had to. It's a different product, SKU, everything, so just cause they got it for the 60th maybe, doesn't mean they had free reign to just use it. At this point, the track is not going anywhere.

The ship is sailed, it's in the game. At best you can hope they give you an option to turn it off maybe.

It seems Deadflip didn't record/archive that last stream.

I mean the jist of it has been posted here. Attempting a new update next Thursday, with the skillshots and new combo code. Possibly new music being added as well. They want to get to three week waves in code releases. They want to add some kind of gameplay to the Thunderball eject scoop. Bond Women will have video clips for the gals once added. Acknowledges the lack of the Q Gadgets right now

Said this post talking about the new tracks coming in the next update soon. So think he was just kind of putting it out there

I said the same thing playing it a bunch recently, but after a long game my friend got the Q branch to light up. It's like they cut out some of the methods of opening it or reduced the chance of it? But it used to feel like I got the Q Ring every game, now the branch rarely lights up.

The pops crackling? Gotta change the sound settings. The speakers are 4ohm while the settings are apparently set to 8ohm by default, so changing the cab speaker setting to 4 basically removes the crackling and bad sounding pops.

Took me a while to find it, can't recall where it was buried, fixed my good friends machines like a month ago and it took me quite a bit of digging to find the setting. I had read previously in this thread how folks were dealing with the messed up sounding pops that would "crackle", and some sound effects were too loud and would also cause distortion or crackling. So someone had posted how the settings by stern are too high for the cheap speakers used in the non LE models.

But as soon as I lowered the settings to 4ohm, it fixed all the audio distortion/crackling going on, so the advice was solid. Gotta crank up your volume afterwards though, it's gonna sound lower in general when you lower the ohms

Yea the sound EQ stuff I think was in utilities. Make sure that 10 channel eq is being used also. There is two different speaker settings that can be 4 or 8ohm, make sure both are set to 4ohm.

The 10 EQ helped but didn't fully get rid of the distortion of high pitched sounds fully, when I set it all to 4, yea the audio played fine without any cracking or distortion on the pro I normally play. So the advice I had read here fixed that, my pal who owns the machine was really bugged with the sound and thought something was wrong with the speaker till we found out many others were having issue as well.

Yea I just kept changing the settings one at a time and testing, I had to change em all to get it to sound normal on the machine I helped with. Didn't mind cranking up the volume, it still kind of didn't have the same oomph as before after making the settings, but they preferred that it didn't sound like something was wrong with the speakers anymore. (they thought they were blown)

Radioactive recon is a clever mode, hopefully they do some fun stuff with the other gadgets.

Seeing that they are adding in the heli and car as gadgets, seems like a good time to add some kind of shot to the action button, as both have "shooting" sequences. We know the scene they will use for the heli, so it's going to be the air battle, so like perfect time to implement some use of the action button there as well.

I mean it's just the missing skill shots and some combos, so it was never going to be big, and seems to just be preview code at this point, so we might not even get it. The new stuff might just get rolled into the next more meaningful update

Did someone ask for pitchforks, cause it seems like folks are pulling em out again

They should have some Connery quips or something for hitting combos

Well I mean Bond just got an update 2 days ago....

I mean new code is coming out, so you have no faith at this point?

Code is all that is left, if you don't believe that will work, then I mean.... time to bail?

Yea if you are saying code can't fix it, I think it's time to get rid of your game and move on.

lol come on, it's a different type of game for sure, it's very stop and go objective focused game, but heck the last update to it really changed alot with new features planned and coming soon too.

Gotta change the EQ settings on the pro to 10 band and also reduce the one speaker setting that is set to 8ohm to 4ohm. The default settings are terrible for the stock pro speakers, so have to tune em down to not sound awful, gets rid of the distortion and speaker crackling

I played a ton of the 60th lately, local place has one on display on free play so it's got lot of use, also got to play it in a tourney recently too. I don't get it at all, but yea I'm not setting foot in the 60th thread as they ain't taking lightly to any negative comments, it's apparently the greatest shooter ever.

Shoots solid enough, but the entire thing is fugly, and just lacks any personality. It just reminds me of the Beatles with better shots and an extra 10k price tag. Sorry but that game feels like the owners are forcing themselves to adore the game because of how much money they dumped on it knowing they won't be able to flip it or get their money back at this point.

We had both a Prem and LE in a recent tourny, was the first time majority of players even touched one, and every time it happened, everyone was like "how the hell do I use this" about Bond on a wand. You usually don't talk and explain a game to folks playing a tourny but everyone is like "try this, try that" "I think you gotta...."

Did it even work correctly? No one there knew

I liked Beatles enough, I love TNA... so I was really underwhelmed by Bond 60th. It shoots well? Yea it shoots fine, but like nothing about it blew me away, I would be hard pressed to pay a premium level price even for one, but think it would be more fair. I think the art package and visual design of it all just feels terrible frankly, I kept just being in awe at how ugly a machine it was, and the bad power point presentations on the screen in the PF. Price is in the back of the head the whole time, sadly can't get it out of my mind but all I can feel like is that this looks and feels like a budget pinball machine being sold at a premium. Really just find the whole visual package and presentation of the cornerstone to blow it away. The price bias is there for sure, but I at least would have liked to be blown away by it. I feel value/price should factor into a game review, it does typically factor into video games, cars, electronics, pretty much everything when it comes to reviews. Maybe an optional "value" category should be part of the review process on pinside.

I think there is clearly bias when the owners are all raving and rating it with super high scores, while those who don't own it giving it even an "ok" or mediocre score are all being flagged. I don't even want to bother reviewing it cause I'm not gonna gush so it's just gonna get flagged to heck like the rest, and I've put in more than a handful of plays, the machine has been available for free play for weeks locally, have put ton of time in it, and just "meh".

And there you got, that's the problem. Price and values worth is not off limits anywhere else, openly discussed and debated in any other pins thread, but the owners of the 60th have decided to put up this silly barrier that is untouchable and they have no tolerance for.

The pin is ugly as dirt, it's low tier photoshop copy and paste mess. It's bright, big whoop. A couple bucks in bright LEDs or simple mod kits can get same results. At least Beatles had some art direction.

Two of my pins Freddy and Tales aren't even in my top 10 rankings wise. Maybe there is bias, but I've tried to be fair as well but a review is an opinion, and I only try to rate the games for myself that I've played many times, I don't rate pins i've only played a handful of times. But again the reviews are supposed to be that, our opinions. As I mentioned before it's just funny anyone not posting a glowing review is being flagged, while even some of the high praise ones acting like it's a gift from god are being flagged. It's just silly, aren't we supposed to be giving our personal feelings on the machines? Folks so afraid of review bombing that they are not flag bombing peoples reviews?

Would like to see some more clever modes put in. The radioactive recon for example is actually really neat and clever type of mode that is different. More creative and thematic modes would be great, lets get some use of the action button in modes... let me make a shot with the action button to launch missiles in my little helicopter mobile thingie for example. Lot of the modes right now are just boring make a ton of shots super fast which are a pain to get through cause of time limits and just way too many shots.

Obviously take a cue from other games with multiple layers of mini wizard modes also.

Because it only costs a couple hundred dollars vs 2k?

Yea it's two new Q modes, and doing them can unlock two new multiball mode/rewards.