Not saying the price is fair, but the answer to your question is very much NO. What pros have 10 drop targets and 4 opto spinners (which do cost several times more than regular spinners)?

Honestly I think it’s pretty cool that you tweeted at the guy that helped build cool fast cars and reusable rockets and he tweeted back at you. I’d be proud of it.

I do agree the personal attack nonsense has to stop. We are all here to hate pinball, not hate on each other.

I would like to formally applaud the negativity of this thread. When the game came out I was on the fence but did consider buying it at 20k, in part due to FOMO. I’m not a ‘flipper’ but I like to buy games, have fun for 1-2 years, and sell them. I don’t mind losing $1-2k when I do even. The tsunami of negativity helped convince me I would lose much more than that if I were to sell the game in the future. You negative bastards saved me thousands of dollars. Time for me to donate to pinside.

if you ask me, liver cancer is the real over-priced, asset-free, ugly, poorly marketed, manufactured rarity, non exclusive toppered, art-bladeless home-pin villain in all this…

Put me down for both

Several true announcements that summarize all of this thread within just myself:
- I agree with nearly all comments on the negatives of this game
- I just got a nice deal on one of these and said yes, tho it is still overpriced and I assume I'll lose money when I sell it in the future
- I am what is wrong with pinball, I'm ruining this hobby for others and Stern will keep doing this to us
- I am excited! It looks like a lot of fun!
- I wish they made those reels look more like reels

Humans are a walking contradiction...

Funny how many comments there are that this industry is now over, jumped the shark and on the verge of extinction. Yet when a packed Godzilla was released ~1 year ago and voted best game ever and production still can’t keep up, not as many comments on here saying “pinball is on fire, greatest time to be in this hobby, and it’s attracting so many new players!”

It’s almost as if internet forums attract negative opinions at a rate disproportionate to reality.

No.

My argument is: you can reasonably hate a game yet the jump to conclusions on an entire industry based on that (limited run) game seems far-fetched, particularly when there are more examples of contemporaneous games with higher production runs, more toys, cheaper prices, and sold out stock that don’t seem to hold the same power to draw opposite conclusions.

I have no idea what most of these words mean, but it’s honestly fun to hear the rabbit hole of other hobbies once in a while.

I'm just a normal guy that bought the Bond60th. No porsche here. Haven't yet got the notice of shipment.

Again, just a regular Bond60th purchaser here.

I agree with everyone:
- this game is overpriced
- we can assume very few assets
- people understandably want Stern not to sell out the overpriced games with few assets and bad art and no streams because that may re-direct their business model towards a better, cheaper product
- the game will shoot well and I'm excited

In my humble opinion, that’s an odd way to rate a game though certainly your prerogative.

I wonder how you’d rate other games associated with crimes and assorted bad deeds - alien, ghostbusters, creature etc.

Or movies or paintings or music. I guess I’ve always focused my rating on the game itself, as the criteria of the rating suggest.

Same and agree. Yes, I do think it would be great to have all Bond movie music play in the background (and will try to figure out how to do that on my own) but I dig this version of the song for a fast playing game. The lack of video assets part I honestly don't care about - hard to imagine the role of video assets on a game with <1 minute ball times.

Totally agree Stern should show video, and that you can wait and buy one if you’d want (not that you’d want to). But I’m really excited! I’m one of the jerks that’s happy to overpay for an Elwin single level with lots o’ spinners.

If you bought this game because you wanted a fast, fun single level layout with lots of ripped spinners and modern snappy flippers, yet with a quirky scoring reel and a more complex ruleset than other single levels, you will be happy you bought the game. This fits my description.

If you are expecting music, video assets, display animations, better art, theme integration, ramps, or cheaper pricing you will be disappointed. Or you will be happy you didn't buy the game and will continue to call the ones that did crazy.

Should be a fun stream!

Yea not understanding the vindication part

Lol this line got me. If I could thumbs up thrice I would.

This exactly. I get the sense that people on this forum look at the lack of ramps and immediately think the game must be cheap to make. But it’s not.
- low volume means high per unit costs
- this game actually does have much more in it than a pro (there is no pro with 10 drop targets, 4 opto spinners, and newly designed mechanical reels)

This is not a defense of the price they are charging nor the value of the game we collectively perceive. Or even whether it’s a good game. This is just the truth that a 500 total run of a game with these features is not as cheap to make as some might suppose. This is not a repurposed home pin layout game with limited features. Still not defending 20k but keep in mind many got it a few grand under that price.

I am very much NOT saying the price is justified. I agree it is not justified.

I am saying the per unit cost on these games is higher than a pro.

Also, I feel like everyone saying this is projecting an analysis that wasn’t there

It really is interesting how people value different things in a pinball machine. It’s not that I hate movie clips and wouldn’t want them, it’s just that I rank them the lowest of things I’m looking for. I’m glad we all want different things. Spice of life and all that jazz…

I think that despite the high cost of the game, you couldn’t charge more than $1 on route because it’s such a fast player. Plus it would only attract the pinball diehards, while the regular folk would look at it and be quite confused why it’s so much more to play than all the other games that visually seem to have more in them.

As an owner, I can say I easily prefer yours. The effort put into the display screams 1/10.

Honestly I know very little about pinball browser but if it lets you change the display and add in all Bond theme songs I’m in all day

I get my game tomorrow and I do expect to be biased. Anytime any collectible in any hobby costs way more than the usual collectible, you can’t get an unbiased review from the buyers or non-buyers.

I’m ok with that. If you’re gonna have a bias, it’s fun to have a positive one!

I would and did because I can and do play Godzilla everywhere, but this looks fun and I won’t get to play it anywhere else. Maybe you should know more people?