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Quoted from dr_nybble:Unless the layout is reskinned for future games…
Yep. Stern could later make it into another "Private Label" game that they could sell.
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Quoted from CrazyLevi:One has to wonder if there will be lube!
Balm.... James Balm.
zz39987 (resized).jpgQuoted from CrazyLevi:The "only 500 freakout" seems a little overboard to me.
500 isn't THAT rare. You'll be able to play one. They'll show up at shows and select pinball palace locations, just like Lebowski and other "rare" games before it.
Even Supreme showed up here and there and they made like 20 of them!
Agreed. Only 192 Big Bang Bars and most everyone has played one by now.
I shake my head when I see, 1000 Limited Editions!!
Quoted from chuckwurt:No it’s not. There is so much more to this hobby than NIB games.
Shut up!
People might discover the true pleasures of this hobby and then prices will really explode.
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Quoted from Dan1733:The opportunity to own the most rare Elwin game ever is enough. All will sell. Quickly. And expensively.
I think you mean the most rare Elwin, *Bond* game.
Have none of you learned from Stern's Vault games? You know, the dead, retired games that will never be made again...
Also, long before Elwin, Whoa Nellie was sold as a single level, one of kind, designed by Dennis Nordman. After its run, Stern put the Whoa Nellie design into their "Private Label" category and re-issued them as Primus and Pabst Can Crusher. ...and TBD.
Hats off to Stern. They have us right where they want us.
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Quoted from JohnTTwo:I’m relatively new to pinside. How does one quantify whos a high end collector?
How many high end collectors would you guess there are?
Thanks
There is only one high end collector here and he will brag to all of us, over and over and over again
Quoted from TreyBo69:Let’s avoid the thread poll
$25k Fathom Mermaid vs $25k Bond 60th
Which one will have a cool hundred dollar contest?
Quoted from Kkoss24:So are the high rollers that spend 30k on a pin the same dudes that build custom $30 mil homes only to find that buyers have them by the short and curlys when they eventually have to sell it ?
I would think that swatch of sofa fabric in Elvira's House of Horrors would be the exception to that rule. lol
Quoted from skink91:I finally decided that all the odd mismatched details, seemingly bizarre concept (at least to me) of limited-releasing a possible gold mine layout idea from the hottest designer in pinball piggybacked on a cornerstone from the same IP… all things considered: I think we are being trolled by Stern, at least in terms of the details as we believe them to be so far.
Stern is pulling a Keyser Söze on us.
Stern will reveal its Super Limited 60th Bond game at the Texas Pinball Festival. Or not.
Keith Elwin is Keyser Söze who is in reality, John Greatwich.
(Super Limited Troll)
Quoted from pinballaddicted:I find this to be dissapointing. Your distro is not talking to you?
My distributor is sold out and has been since the beginning.
Quoted from TreyBo69:I respect your approach of making them try to sell to you vs the onus of you to find someone to stick it in your [expletive]
Thanks !!
Quoted from Grantman:That's what they all said before the price of the Thunderball LE was announced.
There are 52 Stern dealers in the US. Try contacting a bunch of them and you might be surprised.
I'm new here
Quoted from Vino:Where is the guy who leaked those early Bond images when you need him.
I using one of those pictures in my ad.
Now, I'm not saying there's easter eggs in my ad picture, but I'm not denying it either.
Quoted from LORDDREK:I’d put my money on a Norris 3 Spinner instead. In an alternate universe Greatwich Industries has orders backed out the door…
I thought Greatwich Industries *was* an alternate universe.
Quoted from cletus:Hopefully, they reuse this layout for other high-cost licenses the way they did with Woah Nellie, Pabst Can crusher, and Primus.
I’d like to play the layout, but not with this theme. Original themes from pinball artists at home pin prices would be awesome. I really want to see some Brian Holderman art on a retro-style pin.
Up-voted. I posted this 3 months ago.
Quoted from Mr68:Yep. Stern could later make it into another "Private Label" game that they could sell.
Supreme - Heavy Metal
Primus - Pabst Can Crusher
Quoted from skink91:I’m in. Also thinking I need to look into treatment facilities.
Are you shaking and feeling stirred?
Quoted from PanzerFreak:Well well well how the tables have turned lol
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Ha ha, excellent PanzerFreak !
Quoted from mstang01:How long does the pinside “crap on the new release with anger and indignation” phase normally last?
Try Uber Eats or Doordash, rock back in your chair and watch the sun go down. Twice.
Quoted from TreyBo69:It can be whenever you want. Just know I charge a $20,000 entrance fee and that is not for the prize pool. But hey, I at least put the games on free play!
What kind of food will be provided?
Congratulations to all of the original buyers of Elvira House of Horrors, 40th Anniversary. At $25K, your record high purchase price remains intact.
It's like the 1972 Miami Dolphins every year waiting for the last undefeated team to lose.
Quoted from ASAC_Schrader:Sounds like these sold out today.
No
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I don’t know where all this “no content” stuff is coming from. It’s gaining steam with zero evidence. Why would they buy this license and not use any of that stuff?
I agree. I just read the transcript of the interview with Elwin. Can someone please prove this, no content rumor?
https://insider.sternpinball.com/documents/27/SIPP_Bond_60th_final_transcript.pdf
The only thing I found was this quote that people must of misunderstood. Which happens often on Pinside.
"Keith: To give you an idea how much studying Mark has done, he knows all his
different chimes. We have a chime sound package that's selectable. He's like, "This
chime package, it does five hits and then pause, five hits and pause. And this one does
three just based on various eras of electromechanical games." That's how much
homework he did in some of these sound packages he's putting together"
Quoted from iceman44:Listening to the interview they didn’t elaborate on content much beyond the “chimes”
The key phrase in that quote was, ""sound package that's selectable".
Quoted from hiker2099:Most ads that you have to call in for pricing, have this kind of numeric pricing.
His price is: $ 12,345.00. ...All we need for that explanation is, Count Von Count
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Quoted from Damonator:OK, so are demandecan55 and Mr68 still in on one?
For the record, I did not buy the Bond SLE. My WTB ad was sincere and I was privately offered the game below MSRP, including free shipping. This, all on day one mind you.
But as the reveal unfolded, my FOMO to buy faded and my cognitive reasoning kicked in, even at the reduced price.
That's my personal decision and not a judgment of others that see it differently.
For those of you that poo-pooed my WTB ad, it was a success beyond even my expectations.
Try not to dismiss what you don't understand.
Quoted from pinmister:You know what the ironic thing is? We all sit here bitching about the price of 20k but know months from now you will see ads for 30k on second hand market. Oh the irony
Respectfully disagree. We might see those ads but I doubt they will sell at that price.
Quoted from onemilemore:But I can't get on board with the fact that he just went with the flow here and the higher-ups did all the decision-making.
Isn't that the way of the real world? How do you deal with your supervisors?
And how do you happen to know he didn't fight for certain things?
Quoted from JonCrox:Then the cease and dissist arrived for all music and video clips and volia, that's what's we're left with.
What cease & desist for music and video? Please post a link
Quoted from JonCrox:Jesus wept.
I'm unaware of any cease and desist about the Bond assets as you posted for this game, and I politely asked you for proof.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:So anyway, you've got two clips from two different Bond music pieces...and that's just the Match Sequence. Seems like the game will be a treasure trove of asset delights!
It's amazing what they can do with only 4 chime bars in the bottom of the cabinet.
Quoted from gdonovan:What makes you think there are chimes?
It is advertised that it has a premium sound system and the sound effects change with the era being played, I'll assume any chimes are sound samples.
I was being sarcastic to the doubters of the Bond assets.
Quoted from LORDDREK:“It’s like someone…”
It’s a fictional comparison not factual. A pretty clear one too.
Hair trigger on the PPK today.
We took it private and it's all good. Made a new friend.
Thanks for playing along.
Quoted from benheck:Backglass: Why does George Lazenby's body look like it was drawn by an AI?
Williams Pointy People artwork for that retro look.
Quoted from mrSATURN2012:.Now I can see why Ritchie got out.
Stern had their new golden boy, and Ritchie had heard enough.
The last straw happened as he was playing Scrabble with his mother. She placed the final letter down, an L, and shouted, "L, Win !"
Quoted from pinmister:One of the things I do not care for is the LCD screen located on playfield. Not sure this is a good direction for future titles. For me it is somewhat of a distraction. I do not care for mini LCD TV's anywhere on PF's.
Heighway pinball put the LCD screen there too. I think it was Aurich's idea.
Ha ha ha
Quoted from cooked71:I’ve just read 3 pages of complaints about Pinsides reaction to this game.
I made some dad jokes and busted on Aurich. Am I invisible? WTF
Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:Nobody uses there real name on pinside. Just way it is. Hobby site.
I use my real name. I'm just very formal and command respect.
Quoted from TreyBo69:I feel insulted and personally attacked when people don’t include the 69
You think you're better than me!?!
So, on the score reels.
I was thinking they would have been better used as a topper. You'd need to hit certain shots to line up 0-0-7 and then you'd get a 7 ball multiball or something.
Oh, and I notice some of you guys like to work the name Pussy Galore into the conversation. And now you have my non-sequitur contribution.
Quoted from MK6PIN:They talked about that (not the topper part) in the Insider stream.
pasted_image (resized).pngQuoted from kermit24:Would any of the Bond 60th buyers be upset if this layout was re-used in another game? Part of the appeal for me (if I were buying) would be to have a unique Elwin layout you can't get anywhere else.
There has been talk that this could be used for other games, like the private label games.
Can Crusher II by Elwin
Quoted from TreyBo69:edit nevermind. I'm done
Don't quit the thread. Hang with me and we'll riff on some jokes and the absurdity of Pinside.
Quoted from TreyBo69:Also TGIF am I right?
This thread should get lit after 5pm on the weekend. Start composing long screeds about how you're personally offended that an expensive hobby is an expensive hobby.
The drunken slamming of keys is coming. Prepare your insults, retorts, and quips now.
Now that's the spirit! Let's all meet back here for Slappy Hour.
Quoted from Gunnut40:I can see this actually happening.
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zzzkman 1 (resized).pngQuoted from TreyBo69:New poll up for the thread
I can't pronounce, Indubielably, err, Indubitetly, Indabelably.... I-n-d-u-b-i-t-a-b-l-y
Quoted from demandecan55:Nope the ad is legit. Lol - I talked to a few people before I ran out of daily PM messages. I had to buy the yearly sub to keep messaging last night. I talked to a few people and almost made deals but they either changed their minds or went with another dealer. At the time I thought shipping would be extra, but I do think shipping is included. I might up the price slightly and confirm that shipping is free.
I had some funny low ball offers as well. All good. And if I don't sell it (and I did try, a few people in this thread reached out and I gave them my phone number) I will happily keep the game!
I am NOT a distro, lol. Look at my post history. Any type of effort would show that. Thanks for the nice words 68! I appreciate it
Confirmed. I was one of those guys and that's why I defended you with my comment. - You're a good man
Quoted from NeilMcRae:Stop talking nonsense man.
You may have got paid but not everybody did, and the pinball brothers were an investor and sat on the board of Heighway and ran the company after the lead bozo left - but then decided to shut it down and some without clearing what was owed - miraculously assets of Heighway then appeared as owned by another company…. So yeah buy it or don’t but make sure you know who you are buying from.
People seem to have forgotten how Aurich elevated himself from Heighway artist, to Heighway Carnival Barker. He spammed Pinside for years, promoting Alien and pretending to be Andrew Heighway's right hand man. Then when Heighway Pinball tubed out, Aurich claimed innocent of everything as he was only the artist.
He's a clever guy, I'll give him that.
Quoted from ASAC_Schrader:Also, does Hardy ever do positive videos or is he just another one of those overly negative pinball people that seem to be everywhere.
Hmmm, he was negative on Deeproot...
Quoted from Thunderbird:Finally listened to IC podcast with Keith: there is no Bond film footage in the game. It’s strictly a throwback game, with throwback code and old style scoring and game play. If anyone thinks anything different they’re kidding themselves. Direct question to Penacho where he replied its all old school. No Bond film asserts like the cornerstone.
Yikes, an old school, street level game. And again, 500 machines is not rare at all. This is sobering news of a $20K fantasy.
Snice the price reveal came out, I've been scratching my head why Stern was not asking the expected $25K. I guess we're beginning to find out.
Quoted from iceman44:Don’t let the negativity get you down. Pinball is MOSTLY great.
At least that’s my experience the past 12 years I’ve participated on Pinside and buying great games, getting to talk about them here, good and bad, and most importantly getting help from fellow Pinsiders on technical issues
There are some NOT great parts of it as well, just like anything else. Scams emerge, Distributors and yes the manufacturers will do shady things and we have seen a lot of that over the years.
Thus, the necessary “negative” side of pinball.
It’s a FUN ride, Pinside is what YOU make of it and I tell myself many times to focus on the MOSTLY good part of pinball.
Bond is a great theme and I’m sure you will love both games, which is all that matters.
Also, when you around long enough you will get to know the really good people that might be justified is saying negative things and don’t mean it as anything personal. You will end up disagreeing and making friends with them
Those are the motives of MOST here, not all
Excellent comment, Ice, and I mean that.
The only thing I can add is: Pussy Galore
Quoted from Dan1733:I hope stern only gets a couple hundred out and this becomes the new BBB. Will be interesting to revisit the agony of hundreds of outraged hobbyists.
Take a deep breath before holding it on that one.
Quoted from galore2112:Same with me. I bought my first pinball machine around 2000 but didn’t join this forum until last year. Not sure why people assume that pinside years = years in this hobby.
Many people assume newbie accounts are fake and all held by the same troll.
Quoted from Daditude:I'm a bigger drinker than most on here realize (sorry, I'm Irish).
Where does an Irish family go on vacation?
Quoted from Guinnesstime:With inflation, that’s a solid 2 hours.
With inflation he wouldn't need Viagra.
Quoted from Bublehead:Ok, Jack Daniel’s is NOT bourbon.
Mic Drop
While this is true, I've recently been enjoying some of the hybrid, Whiskey Bourbon blends. Tonight I've been jamming on one called, Burning Chair. Its a whiskey bourbon blend, aged in Cabernet wine barrels. That's kind of a fun twist in the world of spirits, at least to me. I discovered it while in North Carolina last month. Recommended.
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Quoted from skink91:Please don’t get me wrong - by all means, back out good people, back out please. You will make our games more valuable.
Here we go again.
Simple rarity does not equate to value. If you believe that, get yourself a Cosmic Carnival, only 25 made.
There are a lot of ingredients to bake that rare & valuable cake and you will need the perfect storm to ever see that happen again.
I now celebrate my mixed metaphor with an appropriate song.
Quoted from Zablon:I mean... I kinda like Cosmic Carnival lol
Nothing wrong with that. I have games no one likes too.
Quoted from skink91:I concur… and did Keith Elwin happen to design Cosmic Carnival?
He did not. Nor did he design Big Bang Bar.
Big Bang Bar was designed by Rob Morrison. Ever heard of him?
Well now you have and BBB was the only game he ever designed.
I'm satisfied with my decision not to buy the SLE and I'm happy for those who have. I really am happy for them as it has no effect on my life.
But I'm in on the Bond LE, which is soon to arrive, and I'm having sympathy pains for the SLE buyers.
1. At this point, neither the LE or the SLE is sold out. - Take a deep thought on that.
2. 500 copies is *not* rare and 1000 "limited" copies is ridiculous.
3. Code wise, none of us know what either is going to get and we both have to have "Faith in Stern". 1 year? 2??
4. Forget the price difference between the two, at $13K for my LE, I'm now feeling like I may have overpaid.
We are both in a similar boat and we just might see the Pro buyers smiling as they sail passed us on a catamaran.
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Quoted from Beechwood:This release reminds me of the Dodge Omni Shelby GLH. Take a cheap basic car, let the hot designer tweak it, limit the production and then charge double.
Didn't work then, won't work now. But can't blame $tern for trying.
Can you haul a game in a Dodge Omni Shelby GLH?
Quoted from pinballaddicted:Hopefully we have hit the ceiling and the moaners will run out of fingers and give up.
I'm struggling with this metaphor.
Quoted from Mr68:I'm new here
Trend setter
Quoted from Grantman:How come when I try to vote in a poll it says:
You (1000) have insufficient user level for this call (Y:0, R: 10)?
My guess is you have not donated to Pinside. Becoming a Pinside + member with a red heart in your profile opens up additional features.
Quoted from TreyBo69:I like LCD screens in the apron where a rule or pricing card would go. Just a very logical place for it. Dynamic rule cards
Quoted from TreyBo69:Wouldn't have happened with the PinPod (cause they would have never gotten it through the door)
That's exactly what I shouted at the driver as I was poking him in the chest.
Well, ok, I didn't really poke him... and I guess I wasn't really shouting at him. But I was firm in my tone when I asked him if he minded taking it back.
Quoted from Aussiepinwiz:If some distributors are sending back to Stern some of their initial allocation, what is the general consensus:
a) Stern won't produce all 500 unitsor b) 500 units will be produced and all will eventually sell to other distributors?
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Quoted from JohnTTwo:What other collector games have 250 or less available in the USA?
I don't want to sound snide but your comment tells me you're playing a psychological game with yourself. The total number of Bond SLE machines will be 500 world wide, not 250 in the USA.
(People buy, sell and trade games internationally)
And even at 500 total games, which is not rare, I see other people playing a similar mind game of rarity. There were 500 Sega Godzilla's games made and you don't see them selling for insane money. - That's just one example off the top of my head of many.
Then there is the Keith Elwin mystic. He's currently my favorite designer too btw. But no one has played this game and yet already people are fantasizing it to be the greatest single level machine ever. To me, this is just blind optimism. What if the code is shallow, which would seem very possible given this "old school" approach Stern is taking here.
Simple rarity does not equal value. There are several ingredients to make a winning recipe and again, 500 is not rare.
And to directly answer your question about other rare collectable games under 250.
Big Bang Bar (192), Kingpin (9), The Pinball Circus (2), King Kong (9), Krull (10), just to name some.
Edit/ Looks like some of you type way faster than me. Good thoughts all and up-voted
Quoted from gdonovan:1) There are several videos of this game being played so this is in error.
2) Whom stated "it was the best?" that will be subjective at best.
3) 500 is "limited" not necessarily rare. It depends on what your personal view of rarity it. They made 20,000 Addams Family pins so in comparison it is rare if you want to play the "rarity game." The made 10,000 Supersonics, so again 500 Bond SLE will be rare in comparison.
Your points 1 and 2 conflict with one another.
And I'm happy for those that can determine by a brief 30 second video what makes a great game.
Quoted from gdonovan:1) "But no one has played this game" FALSE.
I'm referring to the general public spending some real time on the game. Not just a game or 2 at a show.
Quoted from gdonovan:2) Someone stating IT IS THE BEST is subjective which any rational person should be able to grasp. No different than cars, Pokeman or current wife model. It's subjective and anyone making the claim is engaging in hyperbole.
I agree with this 100%
Quoted from TreyBo69:It's not like Whoa Nellie/Pabst/Primus or the Spiderman/Supreme/Heavy-Metal/NFT game
Not yet it isn't like those games and that's a real concern imo.
Quoted from TreyBo69:I don't think people should hold their breath on a retheme for this.
People wanted one for the Beatles and it never happened either.
And if they did retheme it, do people really think they would sell them for less than $15k? Maybe $12.5k at best?
You're probably right.
But going back to BM66 and the way Stern deceptively changed conditions and arrogantly treated customers, still lingers for me. Other examples exist and the exclusive toppers for Bond SLE is a recent example. Stern has lost a lot of trust with me over the years.
Quoted from romulusx:Well said sir!Are you going to TPF 2023?If so we’ll see you at the Embassy.My wife and I enjoyed our conversations during happy hours TPF 2015
Thank you, right now I intend to be at TPF.
I have some regrets for some of my insensitive comments/jokes towards John Greatwich and his Trailer Trash build. Even though myself and many others were correct in assessing the state of things, I'd like to buy him a meal and speak to him in person.
I'd be pleased to meet up with you guys also. 
Quoted from TreyBo69:Bumping up Munsters LE after reveal, and then doing color versions of the premium down the line
We could take this thread way off topic with Stern's chicanery over the years. But yeah, that's another example of many, with more to come it would seem.
Quoted from MK6PIN:Maybe an official stream coming w Elwin playing? IDK. It's not like at this price point and oddity of the approach, they needed hype. Geesh.....
So NOT seeing something makes it shit? Nope....price, price, price, or 3/4 of this thread wouldn't have materialized, and the context much different.
I'm not a buyer here but I also am tired of the price discussion. Lets encourage people from all of us, to vote in the thread poll and STFU
Quoted from skink91:I can only speak for myself, but I actually have been reading every post in this thread… and totally appreciate the few posts about the layout, rulesets from Tilt Forums, etc. (you know who you are, thank you!)
The reason I haven’t really interacted about any of that good stuff is when I come in here I just end up wanting to fight… because to get to those few posts one has to wade through so much shit from the same people over and over about the same things that I feel like ‘what’s the point of trying to interact in there?’ and so instead just pick a couple of what feel like most obvious/worst offenders and send venom their way. Just being real about why I haven’t personally contributed to those discussions despite begging for it a few days ago.
Take heart. I've been on both sides of this issue, most recently on the buyers side with my Haggis Fathom pre-order. I understand the overwhelming negativity, redundancy and sensation of being gang-banged by Pinside for more than a year.
These days, I get to punish Pinside whenever the mood strikes me. My favorite podcaster too.
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Quoted from MK6PIN:"The King" himself admitted he doubted he'd ever roll this game....
I heard that Elwin designs and walks off.
Quoted from JohnTTwo:How often does the pinside mob mis the mark?
I got pinsided out of getting this game and am leaning towards getting one again thinking maybe this could be a awesome game in my line up.
Go for it my friend. They have not sold out, and not even close to selling out is my guess. And based on the information posted in this thread, you should be able to get one for around $18K, shipping included.
Quoted from Beechwood:I will say this... I am STOKED to see the streaming gameplay when it happens. Thanks to this thread! I hope it blows me away.
I may take the day off from work to enjoy it as much as possible.
What creative excuse will you use?
Quoted from Beechwood:Ok, if the deal was to make a high priced machine because of the licensor, so be it.
My comment is in general and not directed towards Beechwood.
This assumption that the licensor demanded two different machines be manufactured, one of them an old school game, just doesn't compute with me. Even if it was some sort of compromise between the two company's, I don't get it.
To me, it feels like Pinside gossip, begun with attention seeking, speculation.
I can't count how many times I've seen that sort of thing happen and almost immediately, it becomes an acknowledged "fact".
I'm happy for those that just accept things at face value, and I don't mind being proven wrong.
I'm just wondering if there's any direct evidence someone could point me to.
Quoted from Zablon:and lord knows things said on podcasts before the product is made are always true and correct
No worse or better than Pinside.
Quoted from Apollo18:Im here for the jokes.
In the old West, a three legged dog walks into a saloon and says, "I'm looking for the man that shot my paw".
Quoted from Aurich:Did you know Pinside has a block button now? I didn't know that!
And did you know that you can block someone, log in anonymously or on a 2nd Pinside account, and still read their comments?
Hi Aurich.
Quoted from skink91:Careful… you are teetering into dangerous point-of-no-return territory. I am still trying to figure out how to cure my addiction to these games.
Definitely stay away from Frontier, Mata Hari, Stars, Quicksilver, hell… any early Bally or Stern SS for that matter. Kids - don’t try crack!
People are likely to start downvoting me because I wont shut up about the Haggis Fathom. But I am blown away by the entire machine, especially with the new code.
I had an original Fathom for about 8 years and this game shoots and plays 100 time better than the original.
Centaur and Medusa should be considered.
Back on topic. I was originally very interested in buying the Bond SLE. And not just because of Elwin, but because it was Elwin AND a single level.
Single level games are an OCD, cleaning freaks' dream.
1 week later
Quoted from skink91:If they are still tweaking things over there before shipping these out… I hope they take as long as they need to get it right.
Well, don't tell me that. I'm not a buyer and I'm holding out as best I can not to express myself here. (I'm waiting for sanctuary city to open)
And for the record, I'm ambivalent about those Club threads. On one hand, I welcome constructive criticism. Thats, *C-o-n-s-t-r-u-c-t-i-v-e*criticism, and I don't want to live in a bubble. But on the other hand, it's tiresome to have people explain the obvious over and over again with a potpourri of price opinion, misinformation and personal insults.
And it just occurred to me. My, shot in the dark, out of my ass guesstimate, is that Stern sold about 150 of this games. They certainly didn't sell out.
I wouldn't expect the Pinside flame burning for very long on that club thread.
Quoted from Roostking:Jealousy must suck to repeat the same thing over and over, which has already been covered weeks ago.
Just for clarity on the redundancy madness, allow me to defend Pinside a little bit. (Just a teeny bit as I've been on both sides of these fiascos)
Every now and then we will have an idiot that becomes a non-stop broken record. Fortunately there is a rule violation for that and the mods can take care of it.
But the madness enters when a series of Pinsiders, one by one, make the same basic comment, and it becomes the never-ending clown car trick.
ANd it's always something obvious that people already know. Like the price...
1. $20K for a single level game? No way!
2. I could buy 2 premium games for $20K
3. Only stupid people would spend $20K on that game
4. I've got a lot better ways to spend $20K than like that
5. I could buy 200 EM machines for $20K
6. There is no pinball game worth $20K
...You get the idea. The point is, the buyers already know how much they're paying. IT"S $20 F'ING GRAND!! ...and that works for them no matter how badly it doesn't for you.
Eventually things will quiet down, when suddenly some innocent Pinsider pokes his head in without reading anything and say, "$20K!?! IS THIS A JOKE?" (Wash, rinse, repeat)
And that's when a buyer or two eventually lose their shit and explodes in a angry comment at everybody. ....Followed by, "Dude, chill out. I'm just saying".
This is just an isolated example as Pinside will do the same thing on whatever the topic du jour is.
Jesus, If I heard one more, condescending,"know it all" comment about Heighway, Deeproot or "obvious scam" in the Haggis thread, I was going to wire my body with C-4 and hurl myself onto the Pinside hosting service.
Quoted from jfh:Waiting for someone to ask “What’s RGP?” …
Flame suit on!
we need to bring that one back. ha ha
Hey, Gary the Arizona Troll was a pivotal internet benchmark for me. He was my very first Troll experience and I lost my innocent forum virginity to the weirdo.
People often mention Frank F, who came after Gary, but as far as I'm concerned, I learned from the best.
- I wonder what rock he lives under now.
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Quoted from pinballaddicted:They are nearly all sold.
Please provide proof.
I'll contend that they're not nearly all sold, and that sales have stalled out. And my scuttlebutt is just as valid as yours.
11 days ago I was offered a Bond SLE from my archived, WTB ad that expired on January 6th.
Quoted from SonOfaDiddly:it's very weird how many people seemingly are rooting for this machine to somehow fail
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Try to be patient for the owners thread to arrive.
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Quoted from skink91:Did I just get Morissetted?
it's ironic... don't you think
Quoted from NC_Pin:I just can't beleive the game is shipping an we still have no idea what it contains... video... music...
Its proof that FOMO is alive and well.
Quoted from skink91:Ha. Careful… the shitstorm will restart if you discuss such things!
No shit storm from me. Just my downvote and disagreement of a fantasy justification from a buyer.
I'll be keeping a market watch for those Bond Collectors, with no interest in pinball, rushing in for a 20K pinball machine.
Didn't Stern already reveal this machine in England to coincide with the 60th celebration? And why wouldn't they just buy the Pro model?
Quoted from TreyBo69:Did they use horse drawn carriguments before the automobile
It started with fire arguments until someone invented the wheel.
Smoke signals was their internet.
Quoted from TreyBo69:“What are you smoking” has meant a lot of things over the course of civilization
No smoke. I'm testing manufacturers cough syrup directions
Quoted from ZNET:But, are we talking about GG eggs or E eggs?
Golden Goose eggs or Easter eggs?
George Gomez eggs or Elwin eggs?
All eggs are not hatched equally, you know. . .; >
Eggsactly
Quoted from pinballaddicted:All good! Iam looking forward to seeing one soon.
I'm looking forward to seeing it in action also. In addition to seeing how it shoots, I'll be tuned in to seeing the assets provided and especially hearing the sounds. Music, call outs and sound effects are really important to me.
And if it's true it's beings released at 1.0, we should have a pretty good idea.
I think it's unlikely, but I would love it if both sides, (owners vs haters), could take an objective step back and give an honest critique as best they can.
My prediction: This thread will lapse into cycle 15 of price justification.
Quoted from Roostking:Delete.
Is there a post delete function I am missing?
Not that I'm aware of. I just do what you did and post "Delete" or I just leave a period mark. (.)
Mixed emotions for me.
On one hand, I'm excited to finally see it in action. And on the other hand, it's likely that we will see a fresh round of, "Lets Beat that $20K Dead Horse Again".
Reminder: Our gracious thread host, TreyBo69, has provided a poll at the top of the page for all of you to vent in.
Go team "Indubitably" holding strong in 2nd place.
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:Who would downvote a dying man? You have downvote immunity.
Man, you are seriously inappropriate. Bublehead has been upfront and open about his condition, which is his right to do and not yours.
My guess is he wont mind your crass and insensitive comment, but I do.
Quoted from Lounge:Wow…. it’s like a bar fight without the bar or the fight.
He didn't land a single keystroke on me.
Quoted from JakePG:I'm hoping the game is amazing, and then they retheme the layout in a game I can afford.
pasted_image (resized).pngQuoted from manadams:Is it just me or is the playfield screen crooked?[quoted image]
That's the Pussy Galore POV.
Quoted from MK6PIN:Only 250 people will have to "suffer" with this one and doubtful many will find a route due to price and scarcity. This should be a relief to the haters. I'm one of the 250, and definitely won't be suffering, but rather, enjoying the game. Onward!!
Sorry my friend, but production is slated for 500, not 250.
Congratulations on your new game. If you're happy, then I'm happy.
Quoted from Roostking:Most likely talking about the rest going overseas
Yeah, I figured that. But it's misleading.
Quoted from Roostking:It matters if that means you have half the chance of actually seeing one in the united states then fifty percent means something. Put it this way. I've only seen one other Metallica le in this country and that was my buddies.
Quoted from Rarehero:Wouldn’t shock me at all if they didn’t make all 500. Stones LE was numbered to 350, but there were rumors that they didn’t make them all. I don’t think they were gonna build all The Beatles, but Covid demand saved it. I just don’t see 500 buyers for this game at this price when Gomez Bond, other Elwins, and TNA exist in the same market.
So, six months or later from now, is it fair to those who buy this game on the secondary market, believing only 250 were made?
Stern said 500 and you guys are guessing/justifying less.
Fly, Pinside rumor, fly
Quoted from Roostking:If a buyer isnt aware of how many were produced, even though its been advertised, how is that my fault. I think its fair to state 250 are available inbthe US, with the rest outside. Is that not a true statement?
Thats creative writing. A more accurate truth would be, 500 games worldwide.
Quoted from Roostking:All I know is MetLE was announced at 250 in the states, 250 overseas.
Personally, I think its a sales dud and they were trying to create FOMO by saying a majority were going overseas.
Pinball machines are sold internationally back and forth, are they not? So what's the point of splitting the total number?
Quoted from Roostking:Ask Stern. Seems thats what they announced back then. In fact this press release specifially designates US and International allocations.
MELROSE PARK, IL – April 18, 2013 – Stern Pinball, Inc., the world’s leading maker of real pinball games and the AAMA 2012 Manufacturer of the Year, announces the availability of a second Premium model Metallica pinball machine. The initial release of Metallica pinball captured the attention of gamers and fans alike. Stern sold out of both the US and International allocations of its 500 Limited Edition (“LE”) games within an hour of each respective customer announcement.
That's a sales technique (manipulation) to promote FOMO and perceived rarity.
Quoted from Roostking:No need to create FOMO on something sold out.
Please read Trybo69's comment directly about your post. They're creating FOMO to the end customers, and not sold out.
Quoted from Roostking:Im over it. The press release distinguishes between US and International. Not my doing. Met LE did sell out to Distros and Customers rather quickly.
My point is, we may never actually see one in the wild, regardless if 1 stays in the states and 499 go overseas, or vice versa.
Ok, one last response and then I'll do my best to get out of this rabbit hole.
Here's what owners should tell people. "This is the Bond 60th and they sold only one on my block"
Quoted from MK6PIN:Meant 250 stateside...apologies
Never for a moment did I think you were being deceptive. You're a good guy and I think I have a pretty good read on your Pinside persona.
Sorry for any confusion my friend.
Quoted from robotron:i used to buy every single new stern release but then they got greedy and raised the price on every new release and then Gary's statement about how he could have sold us an empty box of lights with star wars and we would have bought it. on that day i stopped buying i have saved a ton of money, since i got out. i have seen the money grab from stern get worse, an F you to their loyal base. they Give you nothing. i have seen spooky add toppers to games, cup holders N/C. may be little to some but it shows an appreciation to their customers. what has stern done for any of us lately? Zilch! they better get together and find a way to show some appreciation to their loyal customers. the opportunity to buy a 20k pin with 3k BOM was not it. they have alot of sucking up to do to get me back. my last pins were ultraman, LOV, now scooby doo. Gary i dont need and will not buy another Stern until i see some appreciation. i like to get kissed before i get f'd Gary .
I'm not disagreeing with you, but Keith Elwin kinda complicates things in a significant way.
Quoted from Beechwood:Ah, good to know. I am kind of glad because every time I saw that avatar I wanted to punch my chinchilla in the face.
Welcome to the club, you're in good company. We should have a Block party.
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