I’m gonna like a new single level Elwin design with Bond theme. .

I love the theme so incorporating ALL Bonds should be great.

Beatles re-skin is ok but this will be Elwin next level!

$25k but yeah.

500 of a street level game

This should be wild

George said on the podcast, “we are gonna try things”.

They “aren’t hand to mouth like the old days”

So they are pushing the limit here thinking Elwin will drive big time FOMO sales on a 500 Bond edition.

We will see

For $25k?

500 buyers? “Let’s try it”. Gomez

The topper is worth $10k alone

Honestly, think this will be an aftermarket buy for many if at all.

Elvira 40th?

Gotta salute Gomez for the Elwin draw

500?

400 Elvira LEs

200 Elvira 40th

80 Elvira SLEs I think

Next stop?

Pros $10k

Premiums $13k

3,000 LEs at $18k

1,000 SLEs at $40k

Elwin is the Golden Goose

He deserves probably more than he’s getting right now

You should design something TreyBo, I like your creativity.

Amen to that.

Not a lot of pinball options are there?

But the Golden Goose Elwin brings in a lot dough for them.

He’s the only chance they have at selling 500 SLE games. Gomez is no dummy

I hope he’s using his leverage. If he simply walked out the door that’s a ton of $$$ walking out of Stern

I’d make them think I was walking out the door if the compensation wasn’t fair.

Steph Curry gets paid a lot more than the stiff on the end of the bench (and bench stiff is overpaid)

With the huge price increases Elwin and team should get a bigger piece of that.

They should have a profit sharing plan in place to incentivize all the workers and highly comp guys get a big tax deduction

Man that would be rough. Gotta know your value.

You can’t just pick up any Elwin off the streets. His coding team is great too. I’m sure Stern saw the sales difference between him and Ritchie, especially recently.

It’s a kick ass bowling alley!

Have to agree with this.

500. I think they will try and get $25k for these.

If they do it’s not gonna work out. Too many people saw the Beatles fiasco and now Elvira 40th. Only 200 of those games

TNA is NOT James Bond. I don’t care what you throw in it.

The Bond 60th will have assets from ALL Bond films as we know.

Theme matters. A lot

James Bond is a great theme.

I don’t see how they will have 500 buyers lining up for a single level game, even though it is Bond and Elwin.

At $20k it wipes out ALL the flippers. After that, tough to think there might be 500 left at that price.

Think it settles in the $15-16k range depending on what we see of course

Revised my estimates down because of the high 500 number

It will also depend on the amount of video assets with all the different Bond movies.

That’s what a pro and premium are for.

I don’t know anybody saying that for $25k and Elwin “I want it now”.

Maybe some flipper pumpers?

No way 500 sell for that despite what some might try and FOMO BS pump this

It sounds great, but can’t imagine a $25k single level game without an LCD screen in the back box I don’t care who designs it

Love that Bond theme and all the Bond movies in there.

They need to be represented in video and not just artwork characters in the game. I would assume that’s the case.

Need to see what that all looks like.

$17,500? I think they will come out of the chute as high as they can, $25k? Then the real market sets in like Beatles and Elvira 40th

If it's for $25k then I'll pick one up for $17,500 30 days later.

Not this time. Unless it's in the $18k range, then they go fast depending on what is actually in there.

FOMO pumping.

Nor is it 1,000 x the pricing of a luxury item versus TP.

What is the "steep price"? They said the same thing about Beatles and Elvira 40th.

"Only 500" is a LOT of pins after selling 1,000 LE's.

What price? Mid to upper teens then i see them moving.

It's a single level game, like Beatles. They won't be gone quick at any price.

The LE is $13k

Def needs all assets, music and video. And is the video just on the PF screen?

Go ahead and get you one for $25k then

There will be plenty of people that get stuck by distributors if they are controlling price.

There aren’t 500 people paying $25k for a single level game.

And don’t tell me it’s Elwin and how great classic games are.

If that’s true make them all classic.

Yep, Beatles has a lot going on too, nobody is paying $25k now for a “Diamond” in much less quantity. $14-16k range

The initial FOMO pump will be off the charts again. Then reality will set in.

They only chance they have is flippers and distros working together to make it seem like you better buy now.

FOMO is kicking in Mike with people that aren't even going to buy one. You can't ignore the history and the facts. At least the people buying the game won't before dropping $25k. Some will get picked off at that price point.

You said it, 500 is a TON of games for a single-level game, no matter who is designing it.

The video screen on the PF will be underwhelming, like my Alien.

It's still Bond and the history of the franchise so it's gonna be popular. So we are about to find out soon enough.

Bottom line, I have a pretty good idea what i'm paying for one, and it's in that range i mentioned.

I'm a "target buyer" for the Bond SLE, and a top theme of mine, no problem with the LE on this one. And i believe i will get one in my price target based on my talks. We'll see what happens.

As for JJPPOTC, there is a guy in NYC that has been sitting on one for months, jacking around with the price, and now he has it at $29,500. And there were only 200 of that jam packed game.

There are a lot of external forces working against these prices continuing to rise up. And at 500 of them, the old LE allotment for a full feature game, it's just TOO MANY to be thinking they can bring that much.

Like i said before, it's a bit of "JJP itis".

Yep, when the dust settles and the FOMO wears off, like every other time before, so will the price of these 500 pins.

It's still very exciting to watch. Not $25k exciting.

The fact that it is a "single level game" is "material" to me and others i've spoken with. I've been buying these games for a LONG time.

The "limited nature" is NOT there at 500 pins. Period. As a "collector"/player i know i could pick one up anytime i wanted now or in the future. How many King Kongs are there? 5?

Get yourself a couple if you like it so much.

Won’t need to wait that long. $17-$18k now.

Gotta see how the Bond films are represented.

I expect it to be excellent but will see. That said I don’t believe it will be “different this time” especially considering other external headwinds.

Why would Stern make less than 500 if they can sell them ALL to distributors for $15k?

You know that’s not happening. Come on.

One thing we can all agree on, it's gonna be an exciting 60th anniversary pin, pricing aside.

Then there is the Goldfinger LE that is undoubtedly coming as Gomez hinted at. Will people just wait for that one?

I think it’s gonna be like Alien Mark. And somebody posted a top down picture in a thread. Might have gotten removed?

There is 500 of them. Are we promoting $25k plus?

No f ing way.

Single level all day long. And a Beatles Diamond is $14k-16k. Why? Just get a Gold

And Goldfinger “variant” LE coming for 1/2 the price.

Not this time. It amazes me the number of people who have no interest in buying the 60th anniversary saying “yep, it’s $25k plus all day”?

It is still JUST a pinball machine. Let me remind us of that. Lol

And I sold my Elwin IMDN and AIQ LEs for various reasons.

I’d never sell my Lyman greats.

They are great games Cookie.

Maybe sell my JP and GZ LEs next?

But, would I trade my GZ, JP, STH,EHOH, BM66, GB, MUNSTER, TWD, AS, TBL, Alien, Wonka, GNR for a Bond 60th?

Nope. Not worth it.

The LE is $13k. I like it

The Elwin $$ grab is fine too but at what cost and 500 of them? No way, hello BEATLES

100% not for any of those above sight unseen.

I realize there are FOMO pumpers with an agenda here. It’s just pinball. Can’t make any more than that

Chopped those F ers a while back.

I needed a spreadsheet and study guide for AIQ.

IMDN is way overrated. Would never even consider getting that game back. Height of Stern cheap out and the Mechs were garbage.

Had fun with it while it lasted but THEME matters to me and the complexity was no bueno.

Sadly, Lyman the master is no longer with us but his legacy will live on forever!

Didn’t happen that way for Beatles.

Won’t happen again. Maybe a few dozen non pinball people?

Joe K marketed the Beatles fiasco.

I mean the 10 pack requirement didn’t help the credibility

There is zero track record of any pinball machine selling 500 units over $20k.

This is in the face of big market downturn, a Fed induced recession and a strong US dollar that all but eliminates the non US market

Don’t see it happening. That’s doesn’t mean Stern isn’t going to produce 500 SLEs and sell them for $15k to distributors

Distros will pick off some $25k FOMOs and then the prices get realistic.

Unless, this turns into a ground breaking best pinball machine ever made.

Much better than Beatles re-skin even though I like that game for what it is. Fun game. Not $25k fun.

I’m hoping they aren’t just relying on the pf screen for the video assets. Surely not right?

Said the same thing about Beatles. Fairly popular themselves.

99.9999% of the world doesn’t give a shit about pinball.

Bond or Beatles memorabilia is different than a 500 run game.

All of that stuff is one of one. Bond Aston Martin or pin?

They will sell to pinheads, 98% and yes I’ll say it again, not for $25k.

The FOMO pump isn’t going to work this time for Distros

So you are getting one for $30k Australian?

Or working for a Distro?

All the previous Bonds and movies. Will be interesting to see how they integrate all those assets.

Could be really awesome!

Code would have to be pretty wide and deep one would think?

Well that is an upgrade in attitude Rick

The Distros are in charge of pricing here. Price fixing and collusion

No I think they get what they can get as fast as they can!

No I meant from Stern! . I like your attitude Rick

Negative Cookie. Regular Bond first.

Think they are over hyping an “Elwin game”

It’s James Bond first. And single level which is fine.

Do you like Beatles/sea witch?

I do. But not for the “Diamond price” when there will be 500 of them.

500 is a LOT of games.

How about 500 Beatles with no other BS levels of gold, platinum and Diamond?

That’s what this is.

They are already skating on thin ice and they better F ing bring it.

Shit is hitting the fan worldwide.

Better not turn into some half ass effort

When you start charging where they are at? Then you better crush it

It’s a Distro $$$ grab again.

You said you have “been there”.

With 500 now, should be lesson learned

They will tap the early FOMO adopters first

No doubt. 500 is simply not a low number for the price they want

And the Elwin pump is fine but it’s just a single level pinball machine.

It’s a great theme. But the code matters more. Lyman was the real king of pinball

Spot on.

The initial FOMO will die fast. Distros will get what they can and then reality sets in.

Economy is heading towards a full blown recession

This will do better than Beatles but Stern doesn’t really care.

They will sell all 500 at $15k to Distros.

Sold my IMDNLE and AIQLE.

Not “rare”. Haven’t even seen it yet.

Buy em up and flip em!

That’s the other thing, there will be ZERO flippers trying to buy these.

It will be a $$$ loser for those people

500 is a BIG BIG number for what they want to charge for it. Rumors are $25k.

And I say no F ing way they get $25k on 500 games. Not happening.

The actual number matters A LOT to the “collector”, of which I’m one of those. And Stern knows that too.

We are about to see what happens in the face of a recession, 500 pins at $25k? Nope.

Stern has been trying to calibrate the quantity and price to keep the flipper profit for themselves since Metallica.

It’s what a business should do.

There isn’t a market for 1000 LEs for every title at the “new pricing model” of $13k

Bond? Looks like it. Rush? No. Many future titles? No.

So if they simply put a “nice round number” on what they think they can sell then we can expect an LE price reduction in the future for many titles

One of Stern employees I recall came from Upper Deck or Topps? The collectible trading card market.

1 of 10. 1 of 50. 1 of 200 etc etc etc.

At some point you bastardize the model and kill the golden goose when the “collector” realizes all they are really “collecting” is a dust gathering boat anchor.

The collector/player like myself loves the pinball hobby because it has both aspects of it. Not just buying a Wilt Chamberlain 1962 rookie card, PSA 8 graded, and sticking it in a box.

Price? Market has come down from $100k to $80k for a piece of “collectible” slabbed cardboard.

The guys that say this Bond game is going to sell all 500 quickly, at what price?

What “nice round number”? Stern doesn’t care what they sell at since they will get $15k from Distros

At $18k yes. That’s fantasy Tiger. I’ve been told Distros are trying to get $25k out of the box.

$18k a whole lot different

Then they won’t sell their “nice round numbers” in the future

RushLE ain’t happening at 1,000

Venom? Zero chance.

I get that you are all in Stern Army Levi but it’s quite arrogant to believe that price cuts can’t come.

You remember the days Stern nearly went out of business and had to be bailed out, like JJP.

The greater economy, strength of the US dollar and impact on international sales etc is going to have an effect.

We will soon find out.

I didn’t say Stern was stupid, they know and they will adjust accordingly.

Well Mark, you me and others I know aren’t dropping $25k on a 500 single level pin regardless of who designed it.

Not gonna speak for you but that is a hard NO.

I already have a game if I want it in the $17-$18k range

Stern does NOTHING to reward their loyal buyers and take us for granted.

Can they get away with it now? Let’s see how it works out for them long term

That’s not true. Many simply went out of business instead of having to cut price or try and build 25k TAFs in the heyday!

My first pin was a LOTRLE on close out from Automated due to no demand

And they understand economics.

When you reach a certain pricing point you hit “demand destruction”.

Never in pinball history have we seen such pricing inflation heading into a recession partly fueled by trillions of free money that is now gone

As maybe one of the prototype “targets” that “throws money at everything”, I’m telling you they will have to adjust pricing AND/OR quantity in the future.

Beltking, myself and Mark are 3 people that bought the great game, Elvira 40th for $25k

1 of 200 and I had an LE to sell for a big profit. It’s a full fantastic Lyman masterpiece. And great theme.

I had a guy offer me one for $17k a month later. NIB. Ok. Live and learn.

Public service announcement to anybody getting sucked in on day one at $25k, DON’T DO IT!!!

FOMO is not your friend. You will NOT miss out later at a much cheaper price.

Nice BBB! And cute happy kids Tiger

You just summed it up best. “Keep the collector money in the truly collectible games”

When AC/DC came out I went with a premium. Just wanted to play it.

TWD was supposed to only have an LE and pro back then. That’s what got me into “LEs”

Stern figured out demand was taking off at that point and added the premium after the fact.

Many Many LEs later, at 1,000 and $13k? Bond will be my last one because of theme and Thunderball.

A truly “collectible” pin that I like to play, like an AC/DC BIB, I’m looking for one

There will be some people that pay that up front. The buyer pool is less this time at that price.

Kind of like what rising interest rates just did to the housing market. Buyers drop out.

But yeah, some just won’t care. I get it

Yep. Me too on Ticketmaster.

When you have an issue like I did for the Texas/Tech football game you can’t get a live person on the phone!

Horrible. Done with them. At least with Vivid you get a live person to help

Somebody is making that one.

That’s would be a Top theme for me!

Hoping it's not too tiny? Alien size you think Mark?

Dead in here. “Hype” has petered out

They aren’t getting $25k

They should get what they can get at the outset

Amen brother Mark.

I also love Elvira!

I have a Plan A in place. Just waiting for the drop.

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500 is a lot of pins.

Wasn’t that long ago that Stern was under $10k for 500 LEs, full games.

The 80 BM66 SLE pins is “super limited”.

They couldn’t sell 200 Elvira 40ths above $20k.

It’s the same market of people. Yeah I know, there were other versions of Elvira.

Not many people will buy both Bond games.

I’ll put it another way. 500 pins priced over $20k, $25k whatever it ends up being is a LOT of pins for that range of $$$

Even at $18k. The price matters and so does the perceived “value” or lack thereof. Throw some tax and shipping on top of it.

I’m seeing a lot of people canceling their Bond LEs at $13k for various reasons

Zero chance $30k. That’s ridiculous.

You guys can work yourselves up into a FOMO frenzy all you want.

It’s not happening for a single level Beatles games I don’t care who is designing it

Keep watering down the “perceived value” and watch what happens

Agree with above post, “artificial scarcity”. Same road being traveled.

They need somebody to flip it to though.

Flippers will get caught will get caught with their pants down grabbing their ankles if they think they can work this one

They need somebody to flip it to though.

Flippers will get caught will get caught with their pants down grabbing their ankles if they think they can work this one

They need somebody to flip it to though.

Flippers will get caught will get caught with their pants down grabbing their ankles if they think they can work this one

They need somebody to flip it to though.

Flippers will get caught will get caught with their pants down grabbing their ankles if they think they can work this one

They need somebody to flip it to though.

Flippers will get caught will get caught with their pants down grabbing their ankles if they think they can work this one

Lol. Ok wtf. Malfunction. Sorry!!!

Go for it Trey Bo. YOLO

Just like the Elvira toppers.

They will skim the first wave of dummies.

Then put out the rest on demand.

Artificial scarcity.

A $2k topper on any pin is joke

Pinball is a slimy business. Gary Stern, Jersey Jack etc

It’s grab your ankles and done with that

It happened by mistake lol. Holy shit.

Have another pumper drink!

You ain’t buying shit.

My counter looks more like various beer assortments Jelli!

All good down south

Looking to do something with project pinball on the GWJ build. I’ll figure something out

This is gonna be a tough one for Stern pricing wise.

Do they keep it “reasonable” on the heels of a huge windfall from the Bond LE price increase OR….

Do they go for more “home run” pricing again?

Kind of a dumb question I know because they will surely swing for the fences again.

How has the “sell through” from Distros on Bond LE gone when it’s time to pay the bill?

They got my $$$ but it looks like a number of people are opting out, others waiting in line?

Seeing how Beatles turned out, it’s gonna be quite interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Theme and theme integration are #1 and #1A for me.

Layout? A distant second but not concerned with Elwin right?

Looks like they won’t reveal until games are ready to ship and collect the $$$.

Max FOMO

Or FOBI. Fear of being included?

Is that TNA?

I’m down for anything different. Actually GWJ is building one now.

We have been punked. There really isn’t an Elwin Bond game!

That's partly true. The "TAM" (total addressable market) is not really "investable" for another party. If Stern was a publicly traded company I'd short it right now.

Plus, the barriers to entry are there. JJP has learned that eventually moving to Chicago. The production capabilities and overall pinball talent is limited.

Just not a big enough market to attract more $$$, unless you are niche boutique like Spooky and can control costs like they do. The net margins are MUCH less than people perceive.

Stern owns the market, the others are just playing around the edges.

Like the Tuesday bumps Mark!

Thinking they want to get the LEs on the line in early December before they show it.

When was the EHOH 40th? Delivered in Dec last yr or Jan?

Think this release is an extra “bonus” for the Distros like EHOH 40th.

In other words, tap the big $$$ guys

35k pesos?

They are def locking in the LE $$ first before they drop the bomb

Doubt there will be many early FOMO adopters this time of price is over $17k ish

They will try and catch a first wave of buyers at top $$. Then reality sets in

Is this really the “hype thread”. If it is there is none left.

Call me a cynic, but I believe Stern is making sure the Distros are collecting the LE $$ first. To do that they have to start shipping those games

And they probably are in a pickle trying to figure out what to price it at.

“For some reason”.

I’m bored to tears right now. And it’s cold as F outside.

I know Mark. Keep on bumping.

Think they realized that the LE $$$ has to be banked first before anything gets shown

And they are having a difficult time pricing this game.

It will flame out with 500 of them again IF they do the $$ grab again

Let the 1st responders get fleeced.

Then wait it out.

Nothing will change what it is.

A single level game with scoring reels and home pin video of the pf.

Been there with Beatles. Won’t work again

Although it isn’t a re-skin. And has the spinning hat toy.

"Easily in the $25k-$30k range"....not a chance

Single level, scoring reels (i don't care how cool they are), and the homepin PF screen?

In the world of Mr. Gomez i wonder if he considers the BOND LE at $13k plus tax and shipping, "EXPENSIVE"?

Maybe that's cheap and $25k is expensive?

500 is a lot of pins, especially at such a HIGH price point.

Maybe the distributors will have to buy whatever inventory there is at said price BUT, the end consumer ain't going for that.

Watch it happen. . Beatles part 2 up next.

Kind of like what much higher interest rates has done to the housing market they are about to get familiar with the term "demand destruction".

You and me both. It sounds really cool and I love Bond, have an LE coming, if it has a 2 in front of it i'm out too

That's exactly what they should have done

At least 2 different price levels with some differences like the topper on say 150 super LE's and maybe another 750 LE's?

I really enjoy my Beatles game too. Gold edition. Like you said $8k.

I'd love a Bond 60th, just not at Beatle's Diamond pricing.

Ok, the scoring reels with lighting effects will be very cool i'm sure. Guess we will have to see how i feel about the pf video screen. It's ok on Alien but then you have the giant screen as well.

With all the Bond assets and it's just the pf mini? Maybe that will be fine, i'm skeptical.

I don’t get that either.

Maybe they think that’s the appeal for the huge price tag. All Bond content?

Also seems a bit wasted on the mini pf screen but let’s see

Charging much more for a less featured game makes no sense.

500 is a ton of pins. I’m a broken record

That guarantees that there will be plenty available on the secondary market for less ultimately.

Flippers should tread lightly here or get their ass handed to them

Supposedly this isn’t a distro Xmas gift like Elvira 40th and Stern will set pricing?

$17k ish? That would get a good amount of people I would think but if you care about value long term it would probably be a guaranteed loser. Thats fine, just don’t want a full ankle grabber Billy.

Gonna be fun and enticing no doubt.

No matter who it is it’s still just a single level game, which is a great change of pace, but you are right, selling ALL Bond and Elwin layout is the pitch.