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James Bond 60th Anniversary Edition $LE (Super Limited Elwin) Hype Thread

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#305 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Cluster in that
1- they keep having website f’ups that prematurely release content they didn’t intend.
2- They mismanaged their handling of the games at the show to keep people in sync with their desires
3- They had a huge delay between their initial teaser and the launch.
4- They still don’t have game play video out. They don’t know when they will because they are still awaiting on approvals (did we forget our set launch date was weeks ago?)
5- current estimates have games hitting the street nearly a month or more after launch
Yes, compared to the launch efforts stern has been building over the last few years to include tight coordinated media blitzes on multiple fronts, produced content, coordinated dates with partners, full media bundles, and games basically shipping what felt like immediately — yes this has been a major step back from what they had been accomplishing

With all that they still sold thousands of units in the past three days. So the launch couldn't have been that bad. Or all that other stuff doesn't matter, just the title and game features matter.

#307 1 year ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Does that mean Bond LE is actually sold out through to customers or just sold out to distributors? Are there so many people backing out because of such a high priced Bond LE distros be sitting on inventory like TS4 CE?

The only dealers with LE spots left at this point are the ones asking $15k+.

#325 1 year ago
Quoted from Dr-pin:

Disagree. The hobby is clearly moving towards only catering the super rich.
Just look at toy story. A game setup to be more for beginners and more for a younger audience. Atleast here in sweden priced so it´s only available to ceo´s and similar.
The ce here cost about 20k. The le is at 16k.
Almost nobody is able to buy it and there will almost no place where you are able to play it.
It may be great for the company. The earnings per game must be great, but are we as a pinball community really pleased with a development of the hobby towards faberge eggs?

We are not pleased that prices are going up (obviously) but this is a reflection of the froth in the secondary market in the last 2+ years. However, there are more places to play pinball on location now than at any time since the 90s (I don't know about Sweden but certainly true in the US). There will probably be a slowdown in these new titles being purchased by operators or at least you won't be seeing the premiums on location as much if they are close to $10k.

#347 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

James Bond is a great theme.
I don’t see how they will have 500 buyers lining up for a single level game, even though it is Bond and Elwin.
At $25k it wipes out ALL the flippers. After that, tough to think there might be 500 left at that price.
Think it settles in the $18-$20k range depending on what we see of course

We don't even know the price yet or if it will definitely be limited to 500 so nobody knows what's going to happen.

On a completely unrelated topic, does anyone know how I can make $25k cash in a few weeks with minimal effort?

#356 1 year ago

OK, I guess the 500 number is confirmed. From Gary Stern's letter:
"This highly collectible limited model will be numbered 001-500. A full reveal will be coming soon."

https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2022/09/22/stern-officially-launches-james-bond/

Also:
"All James Bond 007 ship Insider Connected™ capable. Utilizing the power of the internet, we will issue special Bond “Assignments” only possible on connected games.

James Bond 007 games will be available in November. We will begin with Pro Editions, followed by Limited Edition games, and then Premium Editions. The 60th Anniversary Limited Edition production will be in December. Information on accessories is coming soon."

...

"Prices on prior cornerstone models will increase to the James Bond 007 level on January 1, 2023."

...

"Jack Danger will stream James Bond 007 Premium/LE Editions. For updated information, please check https://facebook.com/sternpinball"

#445 1 year ago

Pinside needs some kind of gambling system in place to settle disputes ("put up or shut up").

Will the Bond 60th anniversary game sell out? At $25k? At $20k? At $17k? I think it heavily depends on the price (assuming the game is pretty good overall).

And for this person in the other Bond thread that said about the LE: "People will be selling NIB Bonds for under 11K and possibly under 10K in a year." Someone downvoted me for saying that was unlikely to happen! Maybe you wish it will it happen but would you bet that it will happen?

#478 1 year ago

After seeing the results of the James Bond 60th anniversary charity auction at Christie's today, I have concluded (in case there was any doubt) that there are a lot of wealthy James Bond collectors all over the world. The one item that I was really interested in, the egg from Octopussy, sold for 26 times the pre-sale estimate (which was on the low side, but still).

#511 1 year ago

Don't forget about labor in development costs. You still have to pay the designer, mechanical engineer, programmers, artists, etc. the same as a cornerstone but this cost is spread over fewer games (in this case 500 instead of thousands).

#514 1 year ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

My God...
Why is anyone even interested in this game unless they're the biggest 500 BOND fans ever?

I like pinball. I like James Bond. That doesn't mean I'm definitely going to buy one, but I'm definitely interested in seeing it and playing it.

#523 1 year ago
Quoted from Reality_Studio:

I mean we joke but there are many buyers like this, I've filmed at many such locations around here. At one place dude had a 1200 sq/ft room completely empty except for a chair, two mono amps and $60,000 speakers that looked like sea creatures.

I knew exactly what you were talking about with these speakers (price went up to $70k/pair):
https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-us/product/loudspeakers/nautilus

I think I have the cheapest B&W speakers and they are still really good!

#571 1 year ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

What kind of prices did Bond pinball get or was it at the auction?

No, just props, costumes and vehicles from the Bond movies.
https://www.christies.com/en/auction/sixty-years-of-james-bond-part-i-live-auction-29780/

#612 1 year ago

Here's your non-update update. I emailed Zach Sharpe, Director of Marketing at Stern, to ask when is the official announcement of the 60th anniversary game happening and what is the MSRP. His response: "Thanks for inquiring about the 60th game, details will all be revealed in the near future so stay tuned."

#628 1 year ago

I'm thinking that they must not know exactly when they are going to announce the 60th game because normally you'd want people to know about your new product, right? There must be a lot of last minute scrambling going on for some reason. It's all very strange.

#752 1 year ago
Quoted from digitaldocc:

Any word when we will see pics and video? Is this really a pin without ramps and innovative mechs?

No official announcement/reveal yet and nobody knows when it will be ("soon"). Single level playfield implies no ramps but Gomez said about this Elwin game: "He's got a shot I've never seen before ever and I don't know where he came up with this."

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#791 1 year ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

Wonder if they will reveal before the Premium stream tomorrow?

Why take attention away from the cornerstone game? I think there's a good chance we don't see the 60th anniversary game for another month.

#795 1 year ago

Gomez: "60th will be revealed in about a week."

#802 1 year ago
Quoted from pluto:

I believe the mech he was referring to was the in-field display. He said something along the lines of "the screen used for home pins is in Elwin's playfield where my Q gadgets are" and I think he basically said he had that at first but pulled it out because he didn't like how it made the game play / feel

He mentioned it affecting the geometry of the game so I thought he was referring to Odd Job's hat in the middle of the playfield. That would definitely obstruct some shots.

#816 1 year ago

It looks a line of stacked drop targets going up the right side diagonally. The LCD display also looks visible in this image. It has a black border/bezel (?) and is reflecting the white spinner on the right side of the playfield.

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#830 1 year ago
Quoted from jjga:

Is there actually some kind of additional information that will be available today or is it just more speculation?

It's based on Gomez saying it would probably be announced this week. However, a lot of games are delayed in the factory and the Thunderball LE appears to be pushed from November to December so I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't hear anything about the 60th this week.

#841 1 year ago
Quoted from Jaytech10:

Mock up photo no lcd screen going to be reels

Reels will be in the backbox/head, LCD on the playfield.

Gomez: "One of the things is it does have a display it's got the small display from the home editions and that display is actually flat on the playfield or facing the player on the playfield."

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#977 1 year ago

Thunderball LEs were supposedly pushed back to December. Premiums and 60th originally scheduled for December. I wouldn't be surprised if the 60th wasn't made until January.

#1059 1 year ago

FYI, numbers 007/500 of this game and 007/1000 of the Thunderball LE are going to be auctioned off for charity. No official announcement yet but Gomez said it in some video. He also said 3 weeks ago that this game would be revealed in about a week so who knows what's going on.

#1066 1 year ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Relatively no competition to speak of is the reason Stern can get away with this. Throw another large manufacturer in the mix and watch has fast the margins will slim down, if 2 or more big boys were competing at the same time. All other pinball makers; which are boutique companies, don’t count.

There are plenty of other pinball machines to buy, both new and used. The difference here is the license that only one manufacturer gets. If you want a *new* James Bond pinball machine, there is only one company to get it from. Same with Toy Story, Queen, and every other theme.

#1075 1 year ago

Dearest Sir, it is my great honour to notify you of your winning prize of a SUPER LIMITED EDITION JANES BOND PINBALL MACHINE by way of a random drawing held by the prestigious accounting firm Arthur Andersen. Please forward your Full name, address, date of birth, phone number and Social Security number at your earliest convenience in order to claim your prize. A small processing fee will be required in order to process your prize claim.

Very truely yours,
Garry Sterns
Chairman, Sterns Entertainment

#1100 1 year ago

Well, if this game is not revealed this week we are looking at December...

(Next week has a major holiday for those that might not be aware of the US holiday calendar.)

#1142 1 year ago
Quoted from thekaiser82:

Agreed. It wouldn’t shock me if some distributors try, but there is almost no chance that is the price.

Some dealers were (probably still are) asking $16k and $17k for the LE. There are always going to be greedy ones. Just avoid them.

#1153 1 year ago

Maybe we'll see this thing by Christmas, assuming they ship all the regular LEs by then. I know some people were waiting to see both before deciding on buying one or the other, but it doesn't look like Stern is going to make that easy for you.

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#1159 1 year ago
Quoted from Vitty:

Where is this already!?

Gomez: Mid-December reveal.

Also: Jaws! Underwater Lotus! Cool stuff from each Bond! Ton of drop targets!

#1188 1 year ago

I have to assume they talked to dealers about the reaction to the new LE pricing and at least some of the dealers must have told Stern that a lot of people passed on the LE due to the price. It's even worse outside of the US due to shipping and the currency exchange. It doesn't matter how cool the game is, only so many people are going to pay even more for this game than for the regular LE. It will be interesting to see how they price this.

#1216 1 year ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

I’m curious if they will have 25 modes in the game featuring something for each movie. That would do the license justice. Also how many title tracks will make it in the game ? We already know goldfinger track will not make it but how many will? If they want to charge a premium let’s see the goods.

Nothing they put into this game will justify the price. The price is probably 30% theme and stuff actually in the game, and 70% scarcity. I doubt most people not on Pinside that are interested in this game have even heard of Elwin.

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#1305 1 year ago

FWIW, Kaneda posted 12/15 (Thursday) reveal for Bond 60th.

#1329 1 year ago
Quoted from demandecan55:

NOW - if they stick to the distributor pricing, that is where it gets more scammy from Stern. They absolutely lost some esteem in my eyes from the Gomez Bond launch, and now we get to pit distributors against each other for better pricing? Not only does this make distributors the bad guys like flippers in many buyers eyes, but it could NOT be a worse experience for customers. Give us the damn price and let it be consistent. I don't need to call 8 people to save $3k. I know around 5 people who were excited for the Bond SLE. Stern has drove all those guys away except for maybe me with their messaging and lack of clarity on this. I don't blame them.

Isn't that how it is now? The Bond LEs were selling for $13k to $17k, depending on the dealer, but at least we knew what the MSRP was and if the price was $13k, that was a "good" deal. I agree that there should be an MSRP on this 60th game so we know if we are getting a good or bad price. There are going to be people that pay thousands more than others and will be super annoyed when they find out.

I had a dealer quote me $12k for the Bond LE, but that was before the official announcement when they assumed the MSRP was going to be $11.5k. I don't see how (or why) someone already ordered the 60th game when the details aren't even announced yet. I guess the price doesn't matter to them.

#1379 1 year ago

You know, the US premiere date of Dr. No wasn't until May 8, 1963. Just saying.

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#1443 1 year ago

Hey, something concrete in that press release:

"Exclusive for attendees and press of CES Unveiled (January 3rd at the Mandalay Bay) and ShowStoppers @ CES (January 5th at the Bellagio), Stern Pinball will be officially unveiling the highly collectible James Bond 007 60th Anniversary Limited Edition pinball machine. Limited to 500 machines globally, this rare machine celebrates the entire franchise of the iconic, genre-defining James Bond films."

#1490 1 year ago

I just had another dealer with a Thunderball LE available contact me yesterday. It appears that people are still dropping out when it's time to actually pay for/pick up the game. If the 60th anniversary game costs twice as much, I don't see how they are going to sell 500 of them.

#1514 1 year ago
Quoted from friscopinball:

Hmmmm, 60th SLE direct from Stern with no price.
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Yeah, how are they going to price this if there's no MSRP? Is it going to be cheaper or more expensive than just going with a dealer? That's quite a gamble.

#1530 1 year ago
Quoted from Dan1733:

In the leaked photo, upper left corner of the blackglass, same Connery art in the SLE as the LE.

For that 1/6 of the 60th anniversary game backglass, yes, it's very similar to the Thunderball LE art.

#1681 1 year ago

Gomez already said it has the poster art on both sides so it's probably going to look very similar to the leaked photo below (but with mechanical score reels).

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#1761 1 year ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

4 Its just plain ugly with almost no forethought from an artistic view, even 60s art view.

Gomez did not say it in so many words, but dealing with this license holder is clearly a pain in the ass. Did you see the banner?

#1780 1 year ago

I'm just going to say it now: "Pretty cool but not worth $25k."

#1797 1 year ago
Quoted from Mr68:

My distributor is sold out and has been since the beginning.

That's what they all said before the price of the Thunderball LE was announced.

There are 52 Stern dealers in the US. Try contacting a bunch of them and you might be surprised.

#1863 1 year ago

"Only" $20k!

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#1989 1 year ago
Quoted from usandthem:

I follow pinball pretty closely, I think. I'm certainly not at the level of fanhood of some other Pinsiders. I ask this with the utmost sincerity. What is the purpose of this game? I know that Stern making money is one of the answers. But who wants it and why? There's already a new Bond game that looks way better than this.

I'd like a James Bond game with either Roger Moore, or all the Bonds/films if I cannot have just Roger Moore. I'd buy this game for a reasonable price, but it's not reasonably priced.

#2033 1 year ago
Quoted from Grantman:

I'm just going to say it now: "Pretty cool but not worth $25k."

I'm going to revise this to "Playfield looks nice but not worth $20k."

#2048 1 year ago
Quoted from Crumbalimb:

Has anyone got any prices from distros ? Wonder if it's going to be 25k or 15K. I would think the flippers can't make anything at this price point and the distros don't want to hold out and hope for 30k with the cash they have to lay out for it.

Yes, just got a quote for $20k + shipping.

#2074 1 year ago

I need more money than I know what to do with so I can buy more overpriced toys so...

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#2269 1 year ago
Quoted from Cobray:

Stern's features video:
FEATURES?
-optical spinners
- drop targets
-video screen
- spinning hat
Does this sound creative? ZERO engineering or toys, all (OLD) pinball parts off the shelf. WOW.

They didn't say they were innovative features...

#2336 1 year ago

Update: there are zero songs or call-outs in this game! OK, I made that up but we don't know, do we? We don't know if there are any video or audio clips, either. This is like having to decide if you want to buy a new car without being able to take it for a test drive and not knowing what half the features are. We know it drives, but does it have heated seats or automatic wipers? Maybe!

#2394 1 year ago
Quoted from iceman44:

The brochure says the new CEO is also signing the 60th games?

No, he and Gary sign the certificate, same as the regular LE. Elwin signs these games.

#2427 1 year ago
Quoted from Dan1733:

Why did Gomez say jaws is in this game for example?

See playfield image:

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#2487 1 year ago
Quoted from titanpenguin:

Stern really missed the mark on this one. This version should have been the pro/home pin priced at sub 5k. They would have sold several thousand of them instantly.

I think the whole point was to make the same profit off of 500 games that would normally take 5,000 games.

#2579 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

I can’t understand why they would emphasize the bracket around the playfield monitor like that… instead of covering it with some sort of integrated art.

They are terrible with this. Visible screws and nuts everywhere (on all titles). You'd think they'd get better at this over time. They are the anti-Apple.

Oh yeah, and they are STILL putting metal washers under the slingshot plastics? So ugly.

#2708 1 year ago
Quoted from yancy:

I'm clueless about this Bond collector world, so tell us, how many are top end enough to buy four pinball machines, three of which are nearly identical, especially to a non-pinhead? Are we talking five guys, ten, a secret cabal of a hundred rich lunatics?

The 60th anniversary charity auction had crazy prices for Bond props, vehicles and even posters.
https://www.christies.com/auction/sixty-years-of-james-bond-part-i-live-auction-21364-cks
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#2764 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

And what's that I hear...Bond assets in the background?!!
Shocker.

That's the original theme song. There is nothing on the flyer or in the Elwin interview about music, audio or video clips in the 60th game. Compare that to the Pro/Pre/LE flyers that say "Film footage and iconic music from the films that built the 007 legend."

#2890 1 year ago

I have a real question about the game, and I don't know if anyone can actually answer it because we have only seen one minute of gameplay and that was from someone that happened to be at CES. How are all of the 25 Bond movies represented in this pinball machine? Is it just because they are on the side art? Because I see 4 gadgets and a total of 6 villains/henchmen on the playfield. That's not representing all of the films. I think we can rule out theme music and video clips from each of the movies. So we just have all of the Bonds on the playfield with a few snips of art representing a few movies and that's supposed to be enough? I'm not suggesting that they put all 25 movies on the playfield like the 6 on the cornerstone game, but if I'm an "ultimate James Bond fan" (to use a phrase from the flyer) and want to celebrate 60 years of the franchise, how does this game do that exactly?

#2902 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

The backglass features all 6 of the "official" bonds. The cabinet and playfield artwork does too. I mean, there you have it. If you are the "ultimate james bond fan" and want to celebrate 60 years of the franchise, that should suffice. I mean, if you are the ultimate James Bond fan, and have never owned (or even played) a pinball machine in your life, seems like this lives up to the ad copy.

So would a poster.

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#2915 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Not sure what your point is.
If you want to buy a poster, buy a poster. This is a pinball machine. For someone who thinks it would be cool to own a pinball machine.
Are you aware of the ridiculous amount of Bond shit that's been licensed over the past 60 years? Why did people buy all that stuff instead of a poster?

Yes, I own a lot of it, including a James Bond pinball machine.

I think I am fatigued from reading all of these comments and don't want to add much more to it but if I was buying this for $20k I would be annoyed that this game does not do a good job (from what I've seen so far) of representing the James Bond franchise (which was the goal). They had a unique opportunity to do that and did not succeed.

To be clear, if the game was cheaper (or I was richer), I would also purchase this 60th game because I'm a huge Bond fan and I like pinball. However, I would still be annoyed at the lost opportunity.

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#2946 1 year ago
Quoted from yancy:

This answer will satisfy none of the "assets!" crowd, but in the podcast interview they said there are several more gadgets to collect in the game beyond the four on the playfield. After you get those, you continue down a list and IC keeps track until you collect them all, something like that.

OK, that's an interesting approach and I see it in the interview transcript (snippet below). It would be nice if that was somehow communicated with the promotional materials for the game. "It'll be a surprise!" doesn't help with making a decision to purchase the game.
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Keith: It's crazy, how many Gadgets are actually in the game. Obviously, we don't have that many inserts, so it'll be a surprise.

Mark: And with Insider Connected, those gadgets are a lifetime Achievements. If we have, I don't know how many gadgets we're going to end up with, but they'll be lifetime Achievements for every time you play. As you get the gadgets, there'll be different ones than the ones that you've already gotten in your lifetime until you've gotten all of them, and then you get the Achievement for that.

#2980 1 year ago
Quoted from Psw757:

All these talkers about being real Bond fans and collectors…
How many own that Gottleib, Golden Eye, Gomez and are ordering a 60th.

I would if I had unlimited room and unlimited money to spend on toys. Sadly, that's not the case for most people.

#3105 1 year ago
Quoted from Jodester:

The moderators have gotten over 15 abuse reports from this thread in the last few hours. Please refrain from comments attacking other Pinsiders and stay on topic.

Were they all from the same guy that downvotes anyone that dares state something factual ("we don't know how many songs are in this game, if any") or slightly negative about this game?

#3239 1 year ago

I just watched the promo video on Stern's website again. Here is why this release (and probably other recent ones) is annoying/disappointing/frustrating:
-Does it have any music/theme songs in the game (besides the main theme)? They don't say.
-Are there any audio or video clips from the movies in the game? No indication of this in the flyer or promo video.
-What gets displayed on the in-playfield LCD? "Learn assignments" is all they say.
-Are there any multiball modes? The interview indicates at least one.
-Can we see some gameplay video? No.

Look, the Thunderball LE was overpriced but I bought one. I would have bought this also if it was anywhere near reasonably priced. It's not reasonably priced and there are so many questions that are unanswered. They announced this game 4 months ago and knew it was coming for at least a year and a half so why are they so bad at communicating basic product information to their customers?

#3262 1 year ago
Quoted from Psw757:

If you knew it had at least a song or two from each era of bond and appropriate video based on era of bonds in game that are specific to included modes could you get to 20k.

It's hard to imagine what would make this particular game worth $20k to me (and that's all subjective, of course). This was purposely made as a "retro" old school game with more basic features. I get that, and it's fine for what it is, but this more basic game with a super premium price is kind of insulting.

Here is what a 60th anniversary game would have to have in order to make it worth $15k+:
-Theme songs from all 25 Bond movies
-Audio and video clips from all 25 Bond movies (on a regular LCD display, not the small one)
-An upper and/or lower playfield
-Some interactive mechs (spinning hat doesn't count). The Bond on a Wand at least tries to do something interactive and interesting (hopefully more added in the code later).
-Nice cabinet artwork throughout

Is this a realistic list of features? No, due to the licensing costs, licensing approval process and development time/effort.

I guess we were all imagining something amazing when you combine all 25 James Bond movies and Keith Elwin on a super premium game budget. Most of us are very disappointed by the value and features that this game delivers. Godzilla Premium, for example, is a great game (almost certainly better than this game based on the little I've seen) for less than half the price.

#3396 1 year ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

The fact people keep saying it looks like a home pin shows how divorced the typical perception of a single level game is from its actual cost to build. At least some people recognize this as being more like a typical premium BOM. So mild progress since The Beatles and a lot of progress since TNA's first run.
That said, I would still love to see what Elwin could do with an actual Home pin bom.

If you took away the scoring reels, armor and topper wouldn't this game resemble a home pin? A typical Pro model would have more than this game at that point, right?

#3405 1 year ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

Name a single recent pro with 3 sets of drop target banks

Beatles Gold. Not a Pro but close to that price.

Quoted from TreyBo69:

Seriously, what pro do you think has more than this game?

The Bond Pro has one bank of drop targets, one optical spinner, several ramps and a full size LCD display. It also will have 10 songs and clips from 6 movies when done.

#3737 1 year ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

I played the 60th Bond Edition today at CES... fun game.

Isn't it supposed to have AR glass? Sure looks like a lot of reflections for AR glass.

#3738 1 year ago
Quoted from jwilson:

The one overriding opinion I’ve seen is that people think it’ll be fun and trust Elwin to make a good shooting game. Everyone just hates the art and price.

It's also the poor communication and lack of details before orders are open on a limited edition item.
-Does it have any music/theme songs in the game (besides the main theme)? They don't say.
-Are there any audio or video clips from the movies in the game? No indication of this in the flyer or promo video.
-What gets displayed on the in-playfield LCD? "Learn assignments" is all they say.
-Can we see some gameplay video? No.

#3740 1 year ago

FYI, there are 84 achievements already listed in Insider Connected for the 60th anniversary game (https://insider.sternpinball.com/insider/games/120). Compare this to the 39 listed for the cornerstone game (which should get many more by the time they are done with the code).

#3813 1 year ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

I bet the Bond 60th was also the largest BOM ever.

How do you figure that? BOM doesn't include the licensing fees.

#3922 1 year ago
Quoted from JakePG:

They pulled the game out of respect to the Pope

To be fair, it does say "His Holiness' Secret Service" right on the playfield.

#4239 1 year ago
Quoted from RGR:

So really the hate for Bond60 is due to the fact thats its a good if not great game and that people wanna buy it but cant afford it? Would there be as much hate if there was a release of 20 or so? BM66 wasnt cheap either...

No, it's not great. It's a major disappointment. They had a license to use all 25 James Bond movies and gave it to their top pinball designer to make a super premium game. What did we get? The features of a super premium game just are not there and the value is definitely not there. They have also been less than upfront about what assets are actually in the game. There is no actual gameplay video (even from CES) but people are supposed to buy it just because it's limited to 500 units.

There are a bunch of people here that said they could buy it for $20k but won't because it's not worth it. I would probably pay $15k and so I'm actually kind of relieved that the game does NOT look amazing or else I would feel bad that I'm not getting one. I don't feel bad that I'm not getting this game. I do feel sad that a unique opportunity for them to do something amazing with this license was wasted.

#4241 1 year ago
Quoted from MK6PIN:

No video/ audio assets? Wtf does it say that? So they put a premium sound system in to play nothing? I call serious bullshit speculation there...think this game will have audio references/ track snipets out the ass.

There is nothing on the flyer or in the Elwin interview about music, audio or video clips in the 60th game. Compare that to the Pro/Pre/LE flyers that say "Film footage and iconic music from the films that built the 007 legend."
You *think* the game will have audio/music out the ass but there is no evidence for this.

Quoted from MK6PIN:

Screen in the PF...a GOOD thing...who knows what retro stuff they put in along with all sorts of direction that I can actually see, since Im staring at the damn playfield.

Yes, who knows?! Flyer says "learn assignments." You don't know what you are going to get because there is no actual gameplay video.

#4533 1 year ago

I just got a call from a dealer that I was on a list with for a Bond LE. They never contacted me about Bond LE but just called saying they had a Bond 60 left. I asked for the price just to see if they were dropping them, but no, it's $19,999. Just FYI, they are still available.

#4540 1 year ago

The funny/strange/sad thing about the CES reveal of Bond 60 is that they got zero press from it. I searched news items and all I found was their own press release.

#4544 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Not sure why its funny, sad, or strange.
Do pinball machine reveals usually make the news?

What was the point of waiting months to do a big reveal at a huge show?

I've seen other pinball machines get coverage by technology or gaming websites/magazines. Since CES has thousands of other exhibitors, this was easily overlooked. Now if the pinball machine was also a robot...

#4548 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Stern is always at CES. WWE was revealed at CES. It's just a thing they do, I don't think the goal is to get on the front page of the New York Times.

If they don't get press coverage from the 4700+ media registered at that show then they just wasted a lot of time and money.

https://www.ces.tech/

#4681 1 year ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Hoping no one notices not questioning Bond 60th pricing while having relentlessly bashed Toy Story CE pricing that has significantly more in it lol.

The price/value of JB60 has only been mentioned in a couple hundred posts here.

#4688 1 year ago

How come when I try to vote in a poll it says:
You (1000) have insufficient user level for this call (Y:0, R: 10)?

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