My last two purchases were a Halloween CE (my first NIB) then I lucked out a few weeks back and found a Pin*Bot for a really good price and couldn't pass it up.

I forgot how fun some simpler yet VERY affordable games can be. Love my Halloween but for the price, Pin*Bot sure delivers too. (I was in on a EHoH next run but not sure I want to pay $9k on a game, when I ordered it was still $8k.)

That back box art reminds me of my mothers living room wall and the 38 signs hanging up saying things like "Love is Life" and "Home is where the heart is".

Ugly AF, my opinion only.

You only live once... grrrrr

I have to remember thousands of pin acronyms and now I have to figure out people code? GG?

"Sterns upcoming cornerstone game, designed and produced by an all star cast of talent including KE, JP (aka ZY), RN, JT and MORE!!"

Eh, it is all niche pinball. Supreme and Bond 60th, both ugly as hell but some will buy. Whatever. Good for them.

They are testing the waters of high end, and if doesn't work out at this price point, maybe they lower the "roof" a bit on prices.

I would put a few bucks in it at Pyramid Scheme if they get one.

For $20K it better have silicone knockers...

This 100%

Unless you are on the hype train, stop posting.

(I expect 2 new posts in the next 24 hrs.)

I'm sorry for your loss. (of $20,000.00)

I know, but it was funny in my head. My apologies.

True. It seems kinda cool gameplay wise. That 20G's is just so hard to hurdle.

In a nutshell, most of us can only imagine what the value a $20K machine could or should have, and this isn't it. Just on the pin itself, it doesn't have enough in it to be anywhere near that price point.

I think they should have capped the production at 60, and let those that HAVE to have it set the ceiling. That is the only thing my tiny brain can wrap itself around as far as this type of pricing.

Either way, it is a new year. Let's keep things in perspective and agree to disagree and not attack each other so much!

"Hey, its only Pinball!!"

Pinside is not absurd. It is a religion that gives my life meaning in a cult like way.

Now off to light some candles by the statue of St. Elwin....

It would be better transparency if they actually just charged the CC fee and added "administration fee" or the like separately. Even a manually entered Square transaction is only 3.5% plus $0.15 per transaction. That is $7.15 for actual CC fee on $200.

Challenge accepted! In the voice of Gomez Addams, "I have a whole bucket full". Hmmm, gonna need more beer tho...

If you can afford a $20k pin, you can afford more room

Honestly, BOM should not even be in the discussion anymore. I would bet my life their margins are larger than ever.

Stop skirting the system and list it in the classifieds so pinside gets their selling fee

"The bourbon is strong with this one."

I think it is a steal for being 60 years old.

$20k for a pro.

Imagine this layout, rethemed with let's say... SpongeBob and offered as a home version. Not knowing it was elwin and not limited.

How much would you pay? $4-6k?

They say exclusives include anti-reflection play field glass and shaker motor too.

Both can be bought separately for other games as well. It is not as deceptive as one may think.

So, if you couldn't get the pin on the first day from Stern, you were just going to give up and not pursue it any further... and you don't make much money... and IT IS A $20K DECISION.

That doesn't make much sense. But I do hope you love the pin! It looks fun.

No, you won't. You have been bitten by the bug. There is no vaccine. The pinball will keep you interested, the drama will keep you coming back.

How about you actually type "shit" instead of "sh1t".

We'll be ok if you do.

It would be playing VHS porn on the tiny playfield LCD. Not a bad idea considering the retro theme.

May as well make it literally Pussy Galore. For $20K it should have some.

I just pulled out my LWJP and looked at it in depth. 2 spinners, 2 ramps, drop target, 2 orbits, 1 mini orbit, 2 playfield magnets and a snagger magnet toy, 11 stand up targets, 3 pops, a subway, a scoop with interactive toy, DMD and video mode. Released today it should be $32,000. But no, only $3500.

It shoots great. Granted, the code and sound sucks ass, but c'mon. It has value for the price point. This is why so many of us can't fathom the price point of the 60th Bond.

I ordered it 19 months ago for $8600. Now that it is being made it is $10,500.

That is how it turned out...

Yes, yes it is a sport. Right behind it is pinball.

$30,000 by 2024?

All in all we're just another brick in $terns wall.

That's funny... I saw that short vid of the 60th SLE at the show, the one showing the topper in action. And the replay "noise" went off. What a joke $tern can't (or more accurately WON"T) afford a real one.

This whole thread should take the L and go away, from the $20K single level ugly-ass $tern to all us losers with nothing better to do than post the same shit for 88 pages. Me included.

Ah, I did not know that. Kinda crazy they do that.

Doesn't really matter anyway, as even at its high point would have added no more than $150 or so to each machine. 30-50%in $tern MSRP increases are not all commodity price increases. Those other people don't understand economics 101.

It did make me chuckle how the original poster of the graph only went to the high point of 2020 though.

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I don't blame $tern for the cash grab, it's business.

Just don't blow smoke up peoples asses acting like the pin actually is so good it deserves this price point. And don't market certain things that sound exclusive to a $20k pin when they aren't.

Other than that, if I ran $tern, I would be maximizing profits too. Gotta make hay when the sun shines.

I've told this story many times, but here we go again because I have no social life...

On vacation, my wife and I played EHOH on location. She loved it, gave me the approval to buy it after she got over the shock of the $8599 price. I got on the list for the next run that was to be in November.

Next run pushed into new year, now $8900. Ok, well shit. Still waiting. Next run pushed into 2023, price now $10.5.

Now we are out. We can't be the only ones. Not blaming $tern for profiting when they can, just disappointed I can't afford them Elvira boobies anymore.

This release reminds me of the Dodge Omni Shelby GLH. Take a cheap basic car, let the hot designer tweak it, limit the production and then charge double.

Didn't work then, won't work now. But can't blame $tern for trying.

Actually, Tesla should get into pinball and make an all electric model and revolutionize the industry.

Carrol Shelby actually bought the last 500 GLH's that weren't selling and brought them to his factory to add even more performance. Kind of a "saving face" move. They called it the GLH'S (GOES LIKE HELL S'MORE).

Probably worth about $20k now, NIB.

Yes. But very slowly.

He would create a game that, after 5-10 games, the AI takes over and plays itself. Fun to watch but a poor earner on route.

We have hit critical mass on this thread. We desperately need some game play footage so we can knit pick real issues instead of contemplating Elon musk and Carol Shelby's place in the pinball hierarchy.

His license was too expensive.

I believe that would be the "Chapter 7" mode.

Someone alert me when a game play video is released. They are no more ways to skin a cat at this point.

"I spent $20k on a pin with an exclusive topper that cost $1k and NOW IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PEASANTS WHO ONLY SPENT UP TO $13k for an LE???

Fuck this hobby. I'm going to sell my topper and take my $19k pin and go home!

This thread is spot on. Ask $20k for a basic game with no answers to anything and no video of gameplay while taking deposit and misleading buyers, it's the kiss of death on pinside.

But for once, I think it's justified. What a disaster of a rollout.

Thanks for posting this video. Zach seems like a genuinely great guy.

Takeaways: 1. Zach admits to being aware of the backlash over price. Apparently $tern does pay attention.
2. That LE looks 5 times better than the 60th. And after the $20K MSRP (of the 60th) seems like a bargain. Theory of relativity always wins out.
Brilliant move by $tern.

To be fair, I doubt anyone considered that topper to add any more than $1K to the price, exclusive or not. I could be wrong.

OH, and I agree 100% on this point.

The lady in the background just realized the price lol

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While talking about the Pavlovian like response a person feels when hearing an achievement on an insider connected:

"That's why... you know... even old school pinball machines have knockers"

Ooops...

Edit: Bring back the physical knocker. Just add it to the BOM!

They refrained from showing any real gameplay in that video. Why?

I in no way think it is shit or insinuating as much. I am seriously curious why they went out of their way to hide gameplay. If it's good, they should at least show a little something. I for one can't wait to see a stream with gameplay. No matter what I think of the price, I am definitely interested to see it in action!

My Lost World Jurassic park is one of 600. It should be worth 12K at least

From the video. It's not for everyone. It's a unicorn.

Do unicorns have photo shopped movie posters on their sides? Lol.

This thread has turned to gold, or platinum.

The monitor in the play field shows scores for players 1-4. Tough to do with a reel.

I will say this... I am STOKED to see the streaming gameplay when it happens. Thanks to this thread! I hope it blows me away.

I may take the day off from work to enjoy it as much as possible.

I'm the boss, so none.

About the wife, though... I will buy her flowers.

If you are living paycheck to paycheck and have only $1200 in the bank and buy this game on credit... yes. You are an idiot.

If you have disposable income and buy this pin without it even moving the financial needle... good for you.

I am in the middle, and will sit this one out

Oh yes, I saw it. Made me shiver when I heard him mention financing a $20K unicorn. May as well light your future paychecks on fire.

Ok, if the deal was to make a high priced machine because of the licensor, so be it.

But if I am a company, I still want to put out the best I can for the money. Either way, hoping for a great shooter.

The hype in this thread (and yes, hype can be positive or negative) makes me want to play one even more.

I guess we need to know who updated this information in the Tilt forums. That is the only place I see this information.

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If the B60 were a Porsche, I would have trouble getting it into my basement.

I don't recall anyone insulting anyone for buying this pin. It's almost exclusive animosity towards stern for the $20k price point/value.

Personally, I miss my $5600 ghost busters. I'm a stupid ass for selling it. I just insulted myself, and rightly so.

I remember going to "game room guys" just as the pandemic started and STh was a new release. That game was getting shit on hard. I played it there, and really enjoyed it and remember thinking "why all this negativity towards STh?". After some code updates and BAM... its a great pin in huge demand. Pinside is nothing if not predictable.

This game is just so high priced I am not sure it will meet the same fate, but if it is a truly awesome shooter, who knows how much this thing may be worth in the future.
Now, that being said, we just need that live stream, Jack. Bring it!

Let's be honest. Even though pro models have been increasing in price, the kiss of death will be if stern decides to only make premium/LE/SLE models. That would truly be the kiss of death money grab.

Is it coming?

I thought it was really fun.

And playing the "Are you a God" mode with guests was always a blast. Glad they made that a stand alone, like two games in one.

And all for the bargain price of less than $20k!

Many MANY pins have come out to great ridicule and lower prices for the first year after release only to catch on and skyrocket in price after that. Be it code updates or a realization that the game is really good. Once the knee jerk observations calm down, the price finds a level.

This may be one of those as well. Time will tell. But for now, we REALLY need a game play vid!

You will have to excuse ASAC Schrader, don't know if you are aware but he's new here.

Rock collecting has become a rich man's hobby. I used to buy rocks for $500.

I wonder which will come first, game play of this, or Scooby Doo??

You know we desperately need game play video when the swine rectal area takes over the thread.

The first achievement is "paid in full". An amazing feat in itself!

Navigating the service menu.
Showing scores of up to 4 players.
For an extra fee, pinball porn.

There are no movie clips. Maybe that's a good thing. Everyone would be arguing what should and shouldn't be in the game. Game play seems like it would be fast and furious anyway, you know, the way pinball used to be. No time for watching movies.

That's not how it works. Pinball is all inclusive, we are all weirdos.

The licensors insisted it be the 60th floor

They should produce 69 original Archers and charge crazy money.

I heard the licensors insisted that code cost extra.

Well I think for $20k this pin should be 100% electric and reduce our dependency on fossil fuels.

(Just trying to change up the redundancy)

I'm going to go full RGP on this thread.

20 years ago, if anyone said a new game was over $5k, they would have been crucified.

I'm serious when I say, all new pinball prices are outrageous. This hobby is outrageous. Anything over 5k for a silly pinball is crazy. We justify it, but damn, it's a fricken game that tosses a steel ball around!

We are all crazy. We pay fuck tons of money for silly games. We are nuts! We keep paying and playing! We love it!

Who cares. It's fun. It's puts a little enjoyment between the cracks of reality in our everyday lives. And after all...
"Hey, it's only pinball!"

If any newbies want to know what RGP is... It was pinside before pinside was even synthesized RNA in Martin's testicles.

Same shit, different platform. (With pics)

You would think so... With how many dudes were just hanging out there for hours per day.

And good old Gary the gold guy. He would easily afford the 60th Bond and rub our faces in it.

"True" should read "Truly". Just an aside

You know what could help sell more of these (or less)? A stream of gameplay!

Starting to wonder if that is why they aren't in a hurry to release any more video...

Actually, most say it looks like a great shooter. But, yes. That is my point. At leas give us JD and a quality stream instead of crappy unboxing/first play videos by someone who doesn't even know the game.

C'mon Stern, are you scared?

This reminds me... I wish I had friends.

I don't think it makes you an idiot. But I know it makes me jealous.

That is why Carvana is doing so well. Those car vending machines were genius, who needs that silly test drive anyway.

I would do that too, but who would be around to appreciate all my sarcastic comments?

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Sweet, now I can just imagine playing the pin. I just saved $20K!