worth some of you negative hoovers have a listen to this:
Regards,
Neil.
Quoted from Roostking:God Bless America. We are heading to AI censorship too.
Cause adults get triggered by typed words lol.
Playes Bond Pro again today. I feel this is the real winner of the bunch, but lets see what the Prem and LE bring.
Guy tells pinsider that UK forums censor curse words.
Pinsider responds “god bless America.”
I know you guys would rather stick red hot needles into your testicles than ever play a virtual pinball game, but for the 2 or 3 people that might be interested... I'm setting myself a fun little challenge: Based on only seeing a few photographs, can I build Stern's Bond60 in just 1 week, using a digital pinball editor?
I'll give it a shot (further updates will appear on my YouTube channel).
My version of the game will feature numerous modes of play; one of the highlights is the option to play each Bond on their own. So, Connery era, Moore era, Dalton era, Brosnan era and finally Craig era. Maybe I'll chuck in Lazenby as well... maybe.
The game also features ALL of the bond songs, with most locked at the start of the game - playing well will unlock them all. Each song offers unique perks and 'special assignments'.
I'm also adding a modern/retro switch - real-time switching between a modern era pinball game and a classic early SS pinball game.
The final and finished game will never be released, it's just a fun project for my own amusement.
Quoted from JonCrox:Thanks mate, noted. Over on the UK pinballinfo forum swear words get starred out, for example over there Neil is often called a **** or a ******* ****.
Ah, I did not know that. Kinda crazy they do that.
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:I know you guys would rather stick red hot needles into your testicles than ever play a virtual pinball game, but for the 2 or 3 people that might be interested... I'm setting myself a fun little challenge: Based on only seeing a few photographs, can I build Stern's Bond60 in just 1 week, using a digital pinball editor?
I'll give it a shot (further updates will appear on my YouTube channel).
My version of the game will feature numerous modes of play; one of the highlights is the option to play each Bond on their own. So, Connery era, Moore era, Dalton era, Brosnan era and finally Craig era. Maybe I'll chuck in Lazenby as well... maybe.
The game also features ALL of the bond songs, with most locked at the start of the game - playing well will unlock them all. Each song offers unique perks and 'special assignments'.
I'm also adding a modern/retro switch - real-time switching between a modern era pinball game and a classic early SS pinball game.The final and finished game will never be released, it's just a fun project for my own amusement.
Nice, love those independant firing pops
Quoted from BallyKISS1978:Feels like the lcd screen was an after thought.
It was, it literally just shows logos and tells you what to shoot for. As if flashing targets aren't enough? Anyone who plays pinball knows shoot for flashing shots. No pinball noob is gonna buy this game so the screen is useless.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Dude. Take the L. You are really trying to take the entire great state of Iowa down with you?
We are only 1 year behind, not two we need more credit than represented here……
Quoted from NeilMcRae:I wish they would! it would make the place a lot more boring than the funeral parlour it is with the most exciting post of the year being my only post for months!
Oh and on your other point, a fucking blind man with his cane can see what's happened to prices. Do you live in a cave or something?
Lumber prices...
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oh and 36.
Lol way to validate your argument with a 3 year old graph. Kinda like you and Halloween. You are just
pointing to old graphs and your own old experience to validate your invalid opinions. Clownshow for real.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Guy tells pinsider that UK forums censor curse words.
Pinsider responds “god bless America.”
As in, we dont. Duh.
Quoted from aaron6920:We are only 1 year behind, not two we need more credit than represented here……
The joke is usually 2 years, which is why i said it.
Quoted from NeilMcRae:fucking blind man with his cane can see what's happened to prices. Do you live in a cave or something?
Lumber prices...
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Doesn't really matter anyway, as even at its high point would have added no more than $150 or so to each machine. 30-50%in $tern MSRP increases are not all commodity price increases. Those other people don't understand economics 101.
It did make me chuckle how the original poster of the graph only went to the high point of 2020 though.
Quoted from Beechwood:Doesn't really matter anyway, as even at its high point would have added no more than $150 or so to each machine. 30-50%in $tern MSRP increases are not all commodity price increases. Those other people don't understand economics 101.
It did make me chuckle how the original poster of the graph only went to the high point of 2020 though.
...it's not like lumber grows on trees (or something like that
Kidding aside, the biggest constraint here for Stern is not supply chain, but manufacturing capacity. The could have 100x cabinets/coils/LEDs and still be manufacturing line limited (which is a remarkable achievement...they've been able to keep the line running at incredible throughput levels through all this global supply chain stuff).
When you're manufacturing capacity limited, makes sense on MBA paper that you take your most valuable asset (King Elwin) and make as much margin as possible with as little impact to the manufacturing line as possible (SLE run is a couple week distraction?). In the meantime, you jack prices on the 12-24 months backlog of orders you have (much bigger $$ grab than the SLE stuff) and build out a new factory so you can better keep up with demand.
Net net: expect more extraordinarily high margin, low volume things from Stern as they work through their backlog and build additional manufacturing capacity. As they catch up, they will get volume focused again, but volume demand is not their problem right now.
Quoted from ray-dude:...it's not like lumber grows on trees (or something like that
Kidding aside, the biggest constraint here for Stern is not supply chain, but manufacturing capacity. The could have 100x cabinets/coils/LEDs and still be manufacturing line limited (which is a remarkable achievement...they've been able to keep the line running at incredible throughput levels through all this global supply chain stuff).
When you're manufacturing capacity limited, makes sense on MBA paper that you take your most valuable asset (King Elwin) and make as much margin as possible with as little impact to the manufacturing line as possible (SLE run is a couple week distraction?). In the meantime, you jack prices on the 12-24 months backlog of orders you have (much bigger $$ grab than the SLE stuff) and build out a new factory so you can better keep up with demand.
Net net: expect more extraordinarily high margin, low volume things from Stern as they work through their backlog and build additional manufacturing capacity. As they catch up, they will get volume focused again, but volume demand is not their problem right now.
Customer retention. That’ll be an issue soon enough.
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:I know you guys would rather stick red hot needles into your testicles than ever play a virtual pinball game
Put me down for both
Quoted from Roostking:As in, we dont. Duh.
Sometimes I think some of y'all have never spent any time in other countries but here's a pro tip, we don't have a monopoly on freedom. In any case yes, there are forums stateside like tech forums that will sensor swear words, it's typically a setting that can be set in the forum software server side.
Quoted from ray-dude:expect more extraordinarily high margin, low volume things from Stern as they work through their backlog and build additional manufacturing capacity.
High margin low volume is how I operate. My Tron toppers are mostly labor, material cost is relatively low compared to my price. If I priced them lower I would sell more, but I wouldn’t be able to keep up with production.
It’s a craftsman kind of model, where you end up with things that are genuinely rare, not artificially, because of limited capacity. The higher price limits orders as a feature.
Stern could build 5000 of these SLEs easy. People know it, and I think it makes them balk at them using the small shop model. It feels disingenuous. Fair or not.
Quoted from underlord:Customer retention. That’ll be an issue soon enough.
Totally agree. This is a golden opportunity for the other pinball companies to gain significant market share.
Quoted from SLAMT1LT:I know you guys would rather stick red hot needles into your testicles than ever play a virtual pinball game
This is really really cool, can't wait to see how it progresses. And as an owner of a virtual pinball machine I will chose that over hot needles in my scrotum.
Quoted from Aurich:Stern could build 5000 of these SLEs easy. People know it, and I think it makes them balk at them using the small shop model. It feels disingenuous. Fair or not.
Completely agree. I would use the work exploitive. On a spreadsheet it makes sense, but very short sighted. Makes complete sense of a spreadsheet, but short sighted given the market they sell into (repeat business and loyalty focused, not one off)
That being said, the company has recovered from customer goodwill stumbles before (of course, they were almost going out of business with a very small dedicated customer base...lot more passionate customers to poke in the eye these days).
Quoted from Daditude:Well $***!
I didn't win the raffle
When was it? I bought a ticket and didn't get any notification it was being drawn.
Quoted from gliebig:When was it? I bought a ticket and didn't get any notification it was being drawn.
It was a pre-recorded video this time never saw a live drawing like they usually do just posted the 5 min video at 8pm.
Quoted from gliebig:When was it? I bought a ticket and didn't get any notification it was being drawn.
8pm
Quoted from 27dnast:Perhaps the licensor requested the product be limited?
Maybe, but who cares really.
Stern picked the license. Nobody actually cares whose fault things are. If you can’t stack modes and it makes the game play worse you can say “it’s the licensor’s fault” but it won’t make the game you bought from Stern play better.
They’re an experienced company, when they pick a license with handcuffs it’s on them for not passing on it.
Quoted from 27dnast:Perhaps the licensor requested the product be limited?
Here’s a limited edition 60th anniversary Backgammon set being sold for $6500 on the official bond site: https://007store.com/en-us/products/james-bond-007-dr-no-dots-backgammon-set-numbered-edition-by-geoffrey-parker
I bet backgammon players around the world are crying in their soup.
The fact is: this game wasn’t made for the average pinball buyer. It’s built for the hardcore bond collector. Of course pinheads may buy too, but if you want a bond-themed game there’s 3 other options
Not Fact. Opinion.
Quoted from 27dnast:The fact is: this game wasn’t made for the average pinball buyer. It’s built for the hardcore bond collector. Of course pinheads may buy too, but if you want a bond-themed game there’s 3 other options
Then it should have been a home model reskin like Heavy Metal destined to never see the light of day.
To use the hottest designer who has had hit after hit for this is just a waste. Yet all is not lost. I do have faith in Stern reskinning the design at a much more obtainable price point in the future.
Why isn’t Barry Nelson in the pin? I mean he was the first actor to play Bond in a movie. I was thinking of getting one, but I’m out on his exclusion.
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Yes indeed and it takes a while to filter through because most of the lumber stern bought was probably months ago. Just as they didn’t ram the price up instantly when they moved up.
Quoted from Beechwood:Doesn't really matter anyway, as even at its high point would have added no more than $150 or so to each machine. 30-50%in $tern MSRP increases are not all commodity price increases. Those other people don't understand economics 101.
It did make me chuckle how the original poster of the graph only went to the high point of 2020 though.
It’s where it went to when I googled! But point taken. Silicon prices and electronics are all still way higher than they where’re. Aluminium is still 700 bucks per ton more than it was…
Quoted from Aurich:Stern could build 5000 of these SLEs easy. People know it, and I think it makes them balk at them using the small shop model. It feels disingenuous. Fair or not.
Not really the factory has a backlog longer than this thread. I actually was skeptical about that until I visited the factory in October and saw how flat out it was and the scale of the extra space all the extra parts that Stern had put in since my last visit a couple of years ago The factory was rammed.
If this was about greed Stern should stop all production except for Godzilla because the demand for that game is super strong and it’s priced higher than most.
Quoted from underlord:Customer retention. That’ll be an issue soon enough.
Maybe if the other manufacturer start making great games in much more serious volume - not pinside volume but actual market volume. I see only one company other than Stern putting out great games consistently albeit with limited manufacturing and that is CGC.
Quoted from BrianJ1337:It was a pre-recorded video this time never saw a live drawing like they usually do just posted the 5 min video at 8pm.
Quoted from 27dnast:Perhaps the licensor requested the product be limited?
Here’s a limited edition 60th anniversary Backgammon set being sold for $6500 on the official bond site: https://007store.com/en-us/products/james-bond-007-dr-no-dots-backgammon-set-numbered-edition-by-geoffrey-parker
I bet backgammon players around the world are crying in their soup.
The fact is: this game wasn’t made for the average pinball buyer. It’s built for the hardcore bond collector. Of course pinheads may buy too, but if you want a bond-themed game there’s 3 other options
I wonder if they use wood in the backgammon set?
Quoted from swinks:don't think many of the 60th will be purchased in Australia at $31.5k + freight to your door
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Wow that conversion rate is a tough one, that is absolutely ridiculous
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Even with exchange rate, $31,5k is an insanely high price for not much more than a pro or even Stern homepin? Again looking at a comparison posted earlier…
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Also it’s amusing some people want to decry how expensive the hobby is getting by showing off the value in a sub 5k pin
Quoted from NeilMcRae:I think JJP were first to go nuts on pricing putting the price of GNR up for no reason at all, then Spooky also recently.
I'd say the number of pinball buyers has made it all about the price... its supply and demand. Economics 101. Also hasn't helped that the price of materials that stern use have all more than doubled in the last couple of years, Stern having to jack the price up between Mando and GZ because of material costs.
Neil.
So... when jjp increased the price of GNR it was for " no reason at all " but when Stern does it , it's because their prices of materials have more than doubled .
IMG_20200427_232017 (resized).jpgThis entire experiment is about knowing your audience.
The marketing is horrible. It’s about knowing what type of company you are. Is it about maximizing profit or creating a brand that will be profitable because of an advocate network you can count on.
We are seeing a shift in leadership from a passion of pinball first to a passion for profit first.
Next we will lose support for older systems from spike 1 and before as well as have to pay for warranty items when the dates have passed.
Currently, Stern support is fantastic. In a profit only model, that will decline.
I think we are all worried as we are at the crossroads on what Stern is going to become.
My prediction is higher prices, less support, profit model with paid DLC. Why not?
The only question they should have is how do we keep our loyal pinheads in the process. This is where marketing has failed.
Quoted from TreyBo69:Also it’s amusing some people want to decry how expensive the hobby is getting by showing off the value in a sub 5k pin
It’s more like pointing out the lack of value in a +$20k offering versus what less than $5k will buy. My niece in Lubbock Texas purchased their first pinball machine, Jurassic Park Homepin pictured in the comparison for $4,5k and loves it. She and her hubby thinks there is great value there and can’t understand why anyone in their right mind would pay $20k for less.
I’m not saying it’s worth 20k. It’s the bom of a premium, maybe a little extra, with all the speculative value baked in
If you think it has “less” than the home, then you don’t want to honestly discuss the differences, like the quality of construction and the features.
Quoted from Thunderbird:is an insanely high price for not much more than a pro or even Stern homepin? Again looking at a comparison posted earlier…
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Come on man. I can see the argument that it’s got xyz number of parts so it should cost what the home pin costs. That’s the same argument that a Rolex Submariner should be priced like a Casio Duro.
Think more Supreme pin as a comparison to Bond SLE.
If this was unlimited number, I think it would sell for around what a new TNA sells for ($9k).
Quoted from 27dnast:I had a chance to meet the new CEO this past weekend and had a great 30 min chat with him. I’m going to leave the conversation private… but will say: he’s a super nice guy and not some robotic, greedy suit. You’re off base with your assumptions.
And, no, I’m not going to waste time arguing with you… nor do I feel a need to convince you otherwise.
Wow. A CEO made someone he spoke to at a trade event feel like he cared for the brand and it’s customers? Cool!
CEO’s say whatever it takes to whoever it takes to get what they want or impart the message they want to deliver. That’s their job.
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