I appreciate that - sincerely. Perhaps the main difference in our perspectives is I am merely pissed at myself for this and just expect that any company is going to gauge a given market and act in a self-interested way and be rewarded/punished for their correctness/wrongness accordingly.

That takes away nearly all the outrage I may feel… as it makes little sense for me to rage about a leopard not changing its spots.

I liked a Big Mac Meal @ $3.24 back when I first started my professional career. I liked it a little less @ $7.00 when I could get a better meal at a sit-down restaurant for $10. There is no way I am buying a $20 Big Mac meal when I can still get that better meal for $12.

Sorry. FUBAR edit

I think we all have owned a pin in our history that we are not proud of, or would rather not come clean to have ever actually owned. But as of right now, since I have NEVER sold a pinball machine… (actual true statement) …I can say I have avoided making that brutal mistake of buying an Orbitor (that I can’t give away) in a two machine deal to get a minty TOM. My apologies to all you who have ever been left holding an Orbitor bag in deals past.

WHAAAAT?! Kaneda wrong and sowing problems based on gossip and hearsay?! Shocking!

Keith Elwin is a tremendous designer and has had great success in his games so far, but much of that success must be attributed to the other team members that assisted on those games. For the incredible mechs in games like Godzilla and JP we have Harrison Drake to thank for his engineering, Rick Naegele is to thank for the software and implementing the rules, Chuck Ernst and his animation team for the display/animation, etc. The team working on Bond 60th is different and no doubt talented, but I don't think you can compare this game directly to those first 4. I would guess that the number of hours invested (especially on the programming side) are much less than for a standard cornerstone release. I have no doubt that the layout will be fun to shoot and it will be a great single level pin, but if you're expecting code and rules to compare with his first 4 releases I think you'll be disappointed.

I had a day off from work, so I built the 60SE virtually in my little game editor, and I have to tell you, it shoots really well. A kind of, greatest hits of late EM/early SS layouts. As good as any single-level playfield could be I think.

Elwin has delivered again, so don't you worry about that. If you can afford it then go for it, and be the envy of all on Pinside.

I'll finish off my virtual version with my own 'unlimited' code, just for my own amusement. Sadly, I have no room for any pinball machine in my tiny house.

2600 dollar hit. That’s crazy! People and that money. I like to watch it burn!

I just assumed you were a big Michael Buble fan.

You forgot “F*ck yeah” as one of the options.

I can't pronounce, Indubielably, err, Indubitetly, Indabelably.... I-n-d-u-b-i-t-a-b-l-y

There are a handful of pins I would pay $20k for. But Bond60 isn't one of them.

When the official owners thread gets going, I suggest you keep this one open and retitle it “JB60SLE Outrage At Pricing Thread”. You don’t wanna soil discussion of game play with those still raging against the ($19,999) machine as it were

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That will still work out just fine though, because people will get moderated for being off-topic/broken-record/etc.

As do most, it’s kind of my “Michael Bolton” Achilles heel if you get that reference.

Rarity. Here's a few off the top of my head with production count (as best as I can remember): BM66SLE(80), EHOHSLE(50), POTCCE (200), BBB (205), Matrix (13), King Kong (10), Krull (10), King Pin (9), Pinball Circus (2), Hypnox (1).

If all the LCD screen in the playfield shows is worded instructions, I hope they give suitable programming credit to spell check.

Nope the ad is legit. Lol - I talked to a few people before I ran out of daily PM messages. I had to buy the yearly sub to keep messaging last night. I talked to a few people and almost made deals but they either changed their minds or went with another dealer. At the time I thought shipping would be extra, but I do think shipping is included. I might up the price slightly and confirm that shipping is free.

I had some funny low ball offers as well. All good. And if I don't sell it (and I did try, a few people in this thread reached out and I gave them my phone number) I will happily keep the game!

I am NOT a distro, lol. Look at my post history. Any type of effort would show that. Thanks for the nice words 68! I appreciate it

For sure! You had just asked for a list of games I would pay $20k for.

Oh absolutely. Halloween actually looks pretty nice.

Bond 60th is probably the worst cabinet art / back glass of all time. It’s beyond hideous, but I actually don’t mind the playfield.

I just can’t understand why licensors who have no clue about graphic design think they should be designing products. Ego I suppose. Stern has made a few ugly pins, for sure, but it’s clear they didn’t have much of a say here.

Confirmed. I was one of those guys and that's why I defended you with my comment. - You're a good man

Totally agreed in terms of the notion that it takes more than one talented person to make a great pin (cough JPOP cough)

At the same time, Iron Maiden was his home brew that Stern mass-produced. Many consider it his best.

But yeah, I have no illusions that bond 60th will be some ultra deep game. I’m 100% confident It’ll be an all-time great in terms of single-level old school designs.

It’s all about expectations. Many people in this thread are really really bad at managing their expectations. Also really bad with FOMO and entitlement. It’s kinda hilarious to watch unfold.

This is a limited edition collectors item for bond and pinball maniacs. Same with those bond watches that go for north of 100k. Heck, now that these new machines are connected online and keep time, it’s actually a much better deal than those bond Rolexes

Its out of stock but great price on the machine at Marco:

https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/500-55S3-11

I preordered the topper for $1000 for my LE. They are only making 1000 so 500 go to SLE and 500 to those with pro/prem/le. Probably sell out quick. Talked to a dealer today and he was able to sell 6 SLE bonds but didn't take his allocation because no one called for one. Said wasn't taking them if he can't sell. Tried to get one cheaper than $20k but not allowed.

Ya, I’m surprised there isn’t more reaction on the topper at that price with such a low run, not sure news has really got out yet.

Project Pinball just sold 180/200 chances for Bond SLE at $200 a pop in under an hour. There is a lot of demand for this game, just not at $20k.

Most likely a high percentage of people, if they win, would just flip it and make $$$$.

FWIW: I asked my distro about this game multiple times (info/availability) and I have bought my last 3 LEs through them and they know I want an LE of any Elwin, but was never contacted by them about purchasing this game after it was revealed (so I went through Stern directly).

Leads me to believe they either sold their whole allocation… or really didn’t want to sell to me?

Just to squash this untruth, I have been paid. Pinball Bros has been professional and easy to worth with. All the problems were with the long gone Andrew Heighway. They got stuck with his mess and imo went above and beyond to try and make things right with people.

Buy Alien, don't buy Alien, but don't make your decision based on false info.

Sorry to derail, but it bothers me to see people saying things that aren't true, just wanted to correct the record.

Isn't it supposed to have AR glass? Sure looks like a lot of reflections for AR glass.

It's also the poor communication and lack of details before orders are open on a limited edition item.
-Does it have any music/theme songs in the game (besides the main theme)? They don't say.
-Are there any audio or video clips from the movies in the game? No indication of this in the flyer or promo video.
-What gets displayed on the in-playfield LCD? "Learn assignments" is all they say.
-Can we see some gameplay video? No.

Yeah, they’d probably sell thousands of these games at $200 each!!

FYI, there are 84 achievements already listed in Insider Connected for the 60th anniversary game (https://insider.sternpinball.com/insider/games/120). Compare this to the 39 listed for the cornerstone game (which should get many more by the time they are done with the code).

If I win, I’m keeping it

That's an issue I have. I have asked Stern what it includes for video and I got nothing. But they respond to other questions I see. It makes me worried. That is my biggest issue. I am hoping we hear more today on the features and what's on the screen.

We know Gomez Bond had issues getting approvals. Maybe this game is in Limbo on movie clips? Who knows? But Stern not answering is upsetting to me personally. I am sure it doesn't bother everyone.

This is some super cool info - thanks!

I believe that Mark Penacho (the software guy for this release) was hired by Stern almost a year ago specifically to work on IC stuff, so this sort of tracks for me.

I'm going to email Stern marketing right now!! They should hire me.

I doubt its a licensing issue, all 4 packages were probably submitted at the same time for various approvals, so why would the 3 regular have video at this point, but not the 4th.

Project Pinball gas a $15 processing fee, is everything a scam now? Rant over

I entered, I'd probably sell it and get a few other games.

Sure. Let’s go with that.

Someone else want to field this one? I think it’s below my pay grade.