This may explain why my homebrew is taking so long…

Congratulations on overpaying!

that's the problem with the brain, we know almost zero about it beyond the chemical and physical make up. The pathways one crates to avoid being tempted by cravings are the crucial item here Simon

how do you know what she paid?

too much is my guess

Let people blow grifted/taxpayer money however they want

How does one milk a whale?

Very carefully.

That's not milk

don't forget being INSANELY outraged that Stern have taken the price of the website in some CIA plot to overthrow the TWIPY voting.

Contrarily, I hope they adopt the reels in every future game and get rid of the LCD!

The most enjoyable thing about this thread is evaluating whether it really should be "Stern has" or "Stern have"

One of the things I do not care for is the LCD screen located on playfield. Not sure this is a good direction for future titles. For me it is somewhat of a distraction. I do not care for mini LCD TV's anywhere on PF's.

All the outrage, all the name calling, really? Look, if you want it, buy it, it is a subjective decision. If you don't want to buy it, don't. And (Whispers) if someone buys it, it won't hurt you, it won't affect you....okay? Jeeze, I love the passion in this community but please, those of us with collections, it's kind of a first world problem, ya think? 10k or more a pop if you tend to NIB. Shout rip off all you want. (Newt in Aliens....."It won't make any difference.")

I don't think you understand the whole picture here. Why are people up in arms about this? Well because most people are average Joe's who just love pinball and want to be able to afford/flip a new title release just like everyone else. What does this boutique bs do to our hobby-it makes us argue until we are blue in the face-not good. Stern decides to take their #1 designer and make a limited high end pin that is out of touch with most loyal pinheads? I do believe Stern could make the same profit margins by producing more at a lower more reasonable price. I do not agree with it but have grown to accept-it is what it is. I think EVERYONE should be able to own this machine if they so choose. I am a big supporter to make limited games unlimited for the duration of license agreement-enough with the artificial scarcity scheme.

Well if Stern is reading this can they send me the stuff they said they were going to months ago.

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I think I understand the situation, capitalist system, make product to a certain market (home collectors) charge what the market will bear or hope you hit, sometimes you don't (The Beatles). Some people have Porsche 911's, they make about 18,000 a year for the entire world. I don't start shouting at Porsche because average people can't afford one. So Stern is evil because they use their most desired designer for some guy to have in his basement to look at and say see what I have? If that was wrong, they wouldn't sell the aforementioned 911's, Ferrari's or Rolex's for that matter. Why isn't it a good thing? The manufacturer makes money, continues to make the Pro's and more affordable stuff, you can think SUCKER or whatever, FINE. I'm just saying folks, when it gets to insults and name calling, I think it gets a tad ridiculous. That's all I am not trying to start an argument with anyone, Namaste.

A. I can’t afford one. Grrrrrrr
B. I can afford one but I can’t justify the price. Grrrrrr
C. Stern are capitalist pigs. Grrrrrrr
D. Others that buy are stupid rich people. Grrrrrr
E. Rich people that buy one probably won’t even play their machine. Grrrrrr
F. I can’t believe Stern treats us loyal customers this way. Grrrrrrr
G. This isn’t fair. Grrrrrrr
H. If you bought one I’m going to belittle you and the choice you made. Grrrrrrr
I. I’m a loyal Elwin fan, He must be so mad Stern made him be part of this. Grrrrrr
J. Anyone who buys one of these overpriced machines are stupid or rich or both so I hate them. Grrrrrr
K. Stern only makes 500 at what price?? They should lower the price and make for the masses. This is wrong. Grrrrrr

It’s just pinball.

I can afford one but I can’t justify the price. Grrrr.

I really can’t afford one… but was too stupid and caught up in the moment to be able to control my instincts. Grrrr.

I can afford 2 and then finance one if I were to so choose.

You only live once... grrrrr

At 20k the one thing it is not is 'just pinball'.

I truly hope you have more luck than I have trying to make this point.

I played pinball and enjoyed it ( possibly) better when I had to scrounge quarters. ZERO chance I had funds to buy one, regardless of whatever they sold for back then...

Not grrr......reality. Some of these posts are absolutely laughable.

The world in general is an angrier place now, so it does make sense however.....

Love the attempt to justify the outrage over one pin being more expensive than other very expensive pins. Like it's somehow a right of the people to be able to afford every pinball machine and necessary for survival. There are plenty of other pins to choose from including Elwin pins for far cheaper.

I’ve been going Gottlieb wedge head crazy… for 5 to 12 Benjamin Franklins (or actually 60 Andrew Jackson’s last Monday) on the glass, you get a lot of fun and tons of titles to choose from… not to mention with us old fucks dying off daily, these things are coming out of the estate sale woodwork… and most owners of these machines are NOT pinheads but grieving family members getting rid of Grandads old shit stuck in the basement, so prices range from museum pieces at $500 to basket cases at a grand, and everything in between. Never thought I could find some of these machines, but you only need wait a few months and something turns up. Look at what I have accumulated in wedge head titles for an average cost of $1100 bucks each, and you get some really classic Gottlieb flatwoods, iconic pinball art, bells, chimes… that wonderful sound we loved before they started “talking to us” and telling us how “precious” they were, and commanding 20 how many fucking grand a piece?

The license doesn't appeal to me at all but if it did and I were in love with the design/layout I'd finance it or sell a game or two to make it happen. If you don't like it, don't buy it...isn't it that simple?

I think I summed up my thoughts pretty well earlier.

I agree with most of your points except that it doesn’t have to be “20K fun” unless the value goes to zero. As many have said for a while, the pin manufacturer pricing model continues to work as long as the used values continue to stay up.

Try your luck, help the kids, Project Pinball has the James Bond 60th Anniversary SLE up for their raffle with entries starting to be accepted tomorrow.

https://projectpinball.rallyup.com/jamesbond-007-60th-anniversary-limited-edition-pinballmachineraffle/Campaign/Details

This is such a short sighted viewpoint. I had a whole thing written up about why it is a slap in the face to the community, but decided you are right, it doesn't matter. Just like with the forbidden P word, if it doesn't impact people directly now, they don't care about what it means for the future.

Stern has really jumped the shark when the charity auction raffle tickets make you think twice on price.

In all seriousness, great cause that places Pinball machines in children's hospitals.

Please show me a BOM in the last 3 years that not only required, but demanded the MSRP needed be 20 grand in order to make a profit on selling 500 niche pin products. When they could just as well sold 1000 at $12,500 and made a reasonable return on investments, no, they chose to milk 500 saps with this POS title that has less going for it than a TNA. This, if it wasn’t for the smashing success of other recent Stern titles feels desperate, with no real justification except screw you Bond fans, please place your scrotum here while we cut it off.

Hey do I think the price is crazy overpriced. Yep ! But so are lots of toys that are being sold these days. I just won’t buy it and I am sure Stern will find 500 people that don’t care about price and purchase one. Good for them

I will continue to enjoy pinball and purchase machines that are in my price point. Eventually Stern will price me out of the market and instead of buying a pin for 10K I will put a dollar or two in a machine and play the games on location

I love Pinball and will always play regardless if I have the machine is at home or on location

Stern will also continue to raise prices and do what’s best for thier business and they don’t care what I think

Why is the majority of the discussion about pricing ? Because it’s one of the most expensive pins ever. Full stop.

Why are people up in arms about this pricing ? Because the rise in pricing has far outpaced inflation. Because each new set point raises the price of everything else in the market (well … except EMs).

I agree this belongs more in its own “Pricing … what’s up with that ?” threads. Nevertheless it sits here because this is the alpha male of pricing.

And what can we do about it ? Stop buying pins at inflated prices. That’s the only vote you personally get. Everything else is hot air.

What will I be doing ? Not buying pins at inflated prices except for what I personally feel are have to haves. Godzilla yes Alien yes Toy Story no James Bond no. EMs yes. No absolutes here, but for sure decreased purchases relative to changes in my perception of price to value.

I think the key part of this many are missing is that the community is passionate. I would assume we all want these companies to succeed and continue putting out games that we can enjoy. For many though that don't see these as 'investments', the pricing is really killing the enjoyment.

And honestly, maybe there's an alternate mindset not taken into consideration as well. Some are collectors, others are players who move through games every month or so. I'm in the former as I'm not in a hotspot, I don't like rotating games constantly. For those who do, I imagine the price is much less of a big deal because they won't keep it long anyway.

And it’s a fucking joke that I am not laughing at because if this is the future of pinball at Stern, we are ALL fucked. Just my $0.02 on Stern’s “it’s only pinball” JB60SLE pricing.

Please share it does matter.

I feel like we have this community of like Nudge Magazine out there clashing with Cigar Aficionado types .
This game kinda misses the mark in so many ways.

Correction, just saw the official stern trailer. This should be a 4k home pin. What an absolute embarrassment. If you pay 20k for this please seek help.