Sell any 2 of those and you'll have change leftover after buying Bond SLE.

Exactly.. the game is targeted at a few collectors. We are making the most of the hobby while it is still around. I have nightmares about what happened in early 2000s. De Ja Vu.

ha ha! I love it.. How hard have we all worked to have all these first world problems!

Johnny Cage Wins!

They clearly dont want people seeing gameplay before they are all sold, I wonder why that is?

Why in the world would the video be taken down? Licensor approval? There is nothing to approve.

It's kind of funny, I can afford both no problem. I have lots of disposable cash and make a very good living. That's not the point though.

What's funny here? The guys that have committed to buying were thinking this $20K offering was another dick-swinging contest where their pinball buddies would be impressed, when in reality, most here just think they are stupid for paying the price.

Imagine the letdown!!

What are the going prices for
a) Luci,
b) TWDLE and
c) GBLE
in the land down under?

A you PM me the distros please ?

It’s sell the FOMO first and then video reality, much later.

Nobody has ever sold 500 pins of ANY game at $20k and is a F job to the unsuspecting folks that don’t get the FOMO factor.

If you love it, I can see it, I really like the artwork for what it is and want one. The veterans can make their own judgment

The UK might take what’s left

Where is Sanchez? Best Bond villain

Negative. The Dirty Sanchez cartel villain is good but so many better ones

Why is it a couple of distributors said there is no such demand to pay by Friday when this was posted on Facebook?

Unfortunately I can't think of any other reason why they would ask them to remove the video.

I also find it odd that the Stern trailers did not show any of the text that appears on the playfield screen. I saw nothing on that screen in OC Pinball's video other than text telling you what to shoot for. If there were movie clips or something then ok maybe, but there was nothing like that. These tactics of not showing us full gameplay just don't make me feel good about a pinball release, and I'm the type who gets hyped over pretty much any release.

Congrats to anyone who really wanted this pin and are ok with the design, art, price etc, sincerely.

However, it is interesting to me that I have no FOMO or desire and after seeing it, maybe even a little relief that I am not interested at all (and I am a Bond fan). Even if the price was half, I see the Bond Premium (or LE) as a better value. Guess that is me, I look for value in the pins I buy, and now with dwindling space, I have to be even more selective. As I generally buy and hold, I expect most of my pins selling to be the problem of my estate after I am gone and not an investment (an asset sure, but not an investment). Not really an LE buyer though I am a LV/CE, Premium, buyer - I think these are generally beautiful pins with all the features a game was originally designed to have.

I am also not a designer buyer, a luxury vehicle buyer (I drive a Ford Fusion) or anything just for the sake of it being special or limited, and not because of price. I imagine many who do buy these do so because they partly want to impress other people. It generally has the opposite effect on me. This is not to say if you want it and can afford it, don't do it, especially if what you are getting really provides an added value to you.

I don't think this is healthy for Stern and will in the long run help their competitors as it is much easier to provide value against a $10K differential. And yes, you can not help but compare price/value to other games like Toy Story, Scooby Doo, etc. - I even feel like my Goldeneye took a jump in value with this release.

Finally, I will play it on location or someones home if I get a chance - It is pinball after all! But it is unlikely it will ever end up in my collection.

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So, you are not smart enough to think maybe there could be a license issue? or an issue in the video where there is incorrect data? The list goes on and on.

I’m over hyped too. Why is this game at CES if they are afraid to show the F ing thing.

Haven’t they had plenty of time to get their shit together?

Pitiful Stern.

Ah yes the insult dogs are out. Not gonna dignify you with a reply but will instead wish you a great day and hope you find more important things to get angry about

Remember Gary himself was policing the CES tent for the Stranger Things launch, telling people to not to take video. It's a Stern thing lol. Afraid of the interwebs.

Seriously, it's likely just licensor issues - common theme with this property it seems. I'm happy we have one manufacturer large enough to tackle these A grade licenses, but what a f*n nightmare they must be to deal with.

I just hope CGC's Pulp Fiction doesn't get too nerfed. If it's true it's a Raw Thrills/CGC colab, I can only dream that Sharpe senior was involved in the licensor negotiations.

Bla bla bla

And speaking of dick-swinging… do you make a very good living? Have loads of disposable cash?

Well played… well played.

The best thing that can happen to this hobby is if these lukewarm FOMO games flop hard. So hard that it really hurts the manufacturer.

As long as these objectively bare, simple, relatively cheap to manufacture CE, SLE games fly off the shelves because somehow this market is full of scalpers and people who buy anything no matter how boring, what’s the incentive for Stern, JJP etc. to make another GZ, GnR, WoZ?

Even worse, loaded games like JJPPOTC apparently flopped so the lesson is to slap a cheap game together, hype it up as SLECEFOMO and charge top dollar?

What a strange market.

I’m really surprised GZ was made with so many mechs. Could have called it SLE and called it a payday with three spinners (optical, which apparently are sooooooooo expensive because an optocoupler costs 10c more than a microswitch) and a few drop targets instead of the moving building, the collapsing bridge and the rotating shield.

I'm sure you're right, I just did not see anything in Evan's video that would be a clear licensor issue. The main revelation for me was seeing the LCD screen in action, it was just text saying shoot this shoot that, but maybe that's the issue and they have other plans for screen. Who knows, at least we got a little sneak peek, thank you OC Pinballs.

Sent you a PM with some great distros who have machines to sell. I'm not 100% sure I understand your question though. No idea what is going on via FB. I just know I was told that by Friday certain distros had to have their allocation figures locked down. Maybe that's just in the US, maybe that's policy for certain distros. I literally know nothing about how that works, just that they're not going to have to buy their entire allocation if they dont have buyers lined up.

The internet remembers!

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It's ridiculous to show a game at a public event like CES and then not expect anyone to post videos online - licensor issues or not. I really hope the text on the screen is a place holder. Looks like in Aurichs screen shot they've gone to alot of work to replicate the dots of a DMD??? We'll find out eventually.

Ughhhh.

Reportedly at .90 code so the meat and potatoes should already be there in the current game.

Stuff not meant to be out to the public is often at trade shows, the no photography/video thing is quite common especially at CES with WIP tech

I am always happy. Thick skinned too. I did not realize I offended you. Sorry you feel that way. Bit sensitive today? This is after all a buch of people not using their real names on the internet. Not really anything to get worried or upset about I would think. Name calling does nothing. After all you yourself said that you are not smart enough, not me

Keep the TS4 talk in the proper thread please

Are you and Moonpuffet buddies?
Just can’t get over your hatred of JJP?

When you are collecting $$$ I don’t care where the F it is.

And CES? Nobody there gives a shit about pinball machines.

The “Stern attitude” is on its last Golden Goose leg. Yep

They just don’t know it yet

All you have to do is actually listen to that interview with Elwin and Pachinko

Keep fishing for an argument my friend, someone will bite. And I'm glad you're happy! Your happiness comes through in spades

I've got an LE still in the box. Been holding on opening waiting for the code to ripen a bit and was waiting to see what the Elwin game was all about. After seeing the price tag on the 60th version, I am actually quite happy with my LE. I've played the Pro quite a bit. I think it is a good enough shooter that with code it should be fun. Hard to imagine choosing a $20k 60th over a $13k LE and a good $7k pro...

Wip? Did we already forget this game was due back in September??? Remember that little anniversary thingie?

Or that they are already taking orders? This isn’t a preview of early access… it’s supposed go be for sale.

The excuses are weak. Ship a freaking product already

Or at least have your actual marketing ready for launch!!

The more I think about it, the more I think it was Pinside that created most of the unrealistic hype over this game. We took the little snippets of knowledge we had and pieced together the ultimate pinball fantasy.

I really enjoy the Gomez version, and based on what I've seen I think I'll really enjoy Elwin's game if/when I get the chance to play it. I love the Beatles, kinda wish Stern would have made the equivalent of a Beatles Gold version to get this into more people's hands but I get it. Super exclusive high end and all that....

Maybe one day we'll get to see Todd toss one off the roof!

It's bizarre that we're at a place where $17.5k is now the "impulse buy" price.

Not necessarily. There are plenty of games with less than 500 units built that didn't become very valuable. 250 Avatar LEs. 350 Rolling Stones LEs. About 300 Stern NBA. About 500 CSI were made.

Pinball only goes up in value if its reputation makes it a "must have' game. 500 isn't THAT rare, and there are many other Bond pinball games if you're a Bond person. Personally, I'd rather get Sega Goldeneye again.

Anyone else notice there are 15 shots around the fan, 15!
Plus 4 spinners!
Plus 10 drop targets!
Game looks like a blast to me! I am excited with my purchase.
My distributor sold out

I'm just ready for the game and the owners thread......shit is just getting stupid in here, even for a "speculation" thread.

All the bitching isn't going to make it $7500.00. Even then people would bitch.
All the bitching isn't going to make it a hologram. Even then people would bitch.

It's released......take it or leave it...I waited, saw, then took 1.....why would anyone care except me.....move the f*k along...

(I'm sooo heartbroken by the wise people...NOT)...

I was a buyer at 18K. The more I see, the less I’m willing to spend.
I’m thinking now of passing altogether. I’d rather put this kind of money towards a Batman 66 LE. Or get both a Houdini and a Star Trek LE. Yep. That’s what I’ll do. Stern lost me on this one.

Was looking at a $10k Star Trek LE - I think my favorite part is the art package though...

Enjoy reading this thread. Even all of the negatives are informative and have some merit.

I have a bond LE that I enjoy in spite of the extremely lacking code. No major regrets buying this one, but still code hopeful, which is now the norm. Yeah, the price on this one almost made me cancel the order.

Like most of you, I buy pinball machines for playing, and that is how I get most of my enjoyment from a pinball machine. Certainly, I watch prices, and cannot dismiss the economics of owning such an expensive toy. As far as investment, obviously the best financial return are in other areas such as securities, etc. For fun investment, a pinball machine cannot be beat.

As an older individual, my time in this hobby is a bit limited, and I really enjoy the hype and apprehension before a new game release. I tend to give the Pinball manufacturers the benefit in this difficult industry.

However, Bond 60 is definitely a disappointment. And it is mainly because of the marketing and price. I do not like to bash any machine until I have played it. And almost all of my game reviews are positive, and most people label me as a Pinball optimist.

This game may be the best shooting game in the world, but statistically that is doubtful even with Keith Elwin in the mix. The 60th anniversary Bond pinball game seems to obviously target a different market than those of us on Pinside. And that kind of sucks. I cannot blame Stern or any other company trying to milk as much profit as they can from their expensive licenses. Yeah, I don’t like it, but Stern has many more people to please than me.

As stated so obviously in multiple other comments, 500 units is not that rare, the price and marketing are a big risk for Stern Pinball, and the diehard Pinball enthusiast will pass on this. For those buying this game, I truly congratulate you and I hope you enjoy it. Please don’t leave it in a box.

It had to be stated because the dick-swingers or those that are critical always bring "you can't afford it" first. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

But I don't see you being critical of those that are "I can afford a Bond 60th so I don't care" crowd.. why is that?

All we can do is move on and hope that Keith was creatively castrated here.

I have a hard time believing this SLE is going to be a better experience than the Pro. I havent played the Pre or Le..

If its at least as fun as the pro, then win?