Do not praise Toy Story 4 here, the Supreme Court has deemed the praise of that game to be banished.

So would a poster.

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I'm in jest. I like Neil.

The you tube short video is awesome on this pos.

I wish the gomez bond had the moby music, might liven it up a little

Not sure what your point is.

If you want to buy a poster, buy a poster. This is a pinball machine. For someone who thinks it would be cool to own a pinball machine.

Are you aware of the ridiculous amount of Bond shit that's been licensed over the past 60 years? Why did people buy all that stuff instead of a poster?

Buyer’s remorse, eh? Condolences. Enjoy that sweet 80s playfield design.

You mean like single player pinball games?

Carry on gents, I'm out.

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Resting my case again, you'll choke on that glitter defending Stern Neil.

Yea no shit.What’s hilarious is a lot of the same folks that were crapping all over TS4 for costing too much(it does) and not having enough stuff are strongly defending this!

I agree. Also I tend to double flip to cancel out most clips as they take too long and I want to play the game. Having video clips on the DMD is over-rated and over-used.

Ok Crazy Panzer.

What gets me is how bad it looks and lack of features for the price. It has nothing to do with the price itself. There is nothing fascinating about a rich dude buying a Ferrari. It’s a hell of car. Good for him. It *is* fascinating to see rich dudes buy something that looks objectively bad. And so we descend upon the forums to discuss this fascination. If this thing was adorned with Franchi art, gold plated, and had 4 individual score reels (you know, like pins did 50+ years ago), there would be nothing to bitch about. Enjoy your game, Rockefeller!

OH SNAP, DID YOU GUYS SEE THEYRE DOING A SUPER TURBO LE!
I DATAMINED THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR IT!

Super Turbo LE invokes the Right of Prima Nocta, but I think it'll be worth it.

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Yes, I own a lot of it, including a James Bond pinball machine.

I think I am fatigued from reading all of these comments and don't want to add much more to it but if I was buying this for $20k I would be annoyed that this game does not do a good job (from what I've seen so far) of representing the James Bond franchise (which was the goal). They had a unique opportunity to do that and did not succeed.

To be clear, if the game was cheaper (or I was richer), I would also purchase this 60th game because I'm a huge Bond fan and I like pinball. However, I would still be annoyed at the lost opportunity.

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I predicted here that this would be the case months ago. The idea that they were gonna somehow shove 60 years and 25 movies into this thing in every way seemed pretty ridiculous to me.

Post #35 in this thread, referring to the "covers all movies" aspect:

Pinside always invents its own fantasy game, and then is disappointed when reality intrudes.

Have you placed your order for the machine yet? You know you want to!

Wow, off topic...sort of....is Doctor Who also at 60th (1963-2023)? They could retheme this easy lol. Even the artwork could be basically the same. This should be easy for photoshop. Boom...another 500 at 20k!

But why stop there!

The Rolling Stones (1962-2022...or 1963 by the time they were getting around).

I'm sure the list goes on and on.

What this would do is weed out the elwin fans vs. the theme fans.

I, I, I. Always talking about yourself and what you “did.” Jesus Christ.

Game looks fun. Was expecting a bit more as was everyone else

and you can drive a car alone too!

It IS just like a car!

The closer to costing what a car costs...I mean...it fits.

Just buy which one you can afford.

Moaning will change nothing for you or any of the people around you.

some interesting shots, but way out of my price range - that will be about $35000 AUD retail in Australia

Speaking with your wallet would...unfortunately, these days too many apologists who 'gotta have it'. It's why the bad side of consumerism continues to flourish and get worse.

Doesn't matter, look at a Supreme.

The value is subjective.

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Except this looks 100% on brand and badass. This is actually exactly what I’m talking about.

Yup…a lot of people are complaining though this time and don’t see a high end product being offered. Charge $15k, $20k, whatever but at least make it look and come across as a high end item versus trying to pull one over.

Toy Story 4 CE at $15k: High quality powder coated armor, substantial interactive topper, custom callouts by two of the cast (Tim Allen, Annie Pots), sparkle playfield, RadCals, custom molded shooter knob, signature plate signed by the entire team, mirrored back glass, interior art blades, interior powder coated pieces

Bond 60th at $20k: Mirrored black glass, shooter knob with a sticker, non interactive topper, and ?

Love or hate Supreme you gotta admit, they went all in with their design statement. There's nothing shy or cobbled together feeling about it. Except for not color matching the coin acceptor hardware, that was a shame.

It's not easy but certainly possible if they had the assets and wanted to dumb it way the hell down while touching on all eras. Anything more and you're programming for years.

TNA has a very linear A-B-C-D ruleset. Standups, scoop, upper PF, Reactor. Apply that.

Choose your Bond. Scoop starts movie mode. 1 song from that movie plays while you have to collect a gadget, thwart a henchman, and then maybe completing a bank of drops for the villain. 2X points if you collected the Bond girl along the way. Very quick "trip" into the movie. Rinse and repeat. Because all actors had different numbers of Bond movies, take the JJPGnR route and say you collect the Bond after completing X-% of their respective movies (Lazenby therefore becomes the arbitrary MB). Collect all Bonds for wizard.

I don't know. It's an idea. It's simple. Touches on all Bonds/movies, and fits on a rules card. But who knows if they had the assets to even approach this. I'm just bored and sober.

This is so limited, and I don’t know why. Wait! Eureka! It just dawned on me… Stern did a focus group and they came up with only a slim percentage of people who are willing to let their desire for a thing override their common sense on the value of that thing. Really guys?!? Anyone here got FOMO on this?!? Really?!?! I just dropped $1200 bucks on a nice Gottlieb King of Diamonds that is giving me ALL KINDS of retro pinball nostalgia, like single level playfield, novel electromechanical score reels, and even true to the Sean Connery period pinball game play. Unique, retro three-voice sound system with 3, 4, and 5 inch bells, plus a real knocker to signal when a special or free game is awarded.

All this and at less than one sixteenth of the cost of a Stern Bond 60th!!!

Don’t wait!
Act now!
Check your local Craigslist for a Wedge Head retro gaming supplier near you!
(also available on E-bay)

Well there are what...8 billion people in the world? 500 is a drop in the bucket, so I suppose there's always going to be people...

That's what I once thought but it looks nice in person. I've never seen a playfield in person with it before, just a nice extra feature.

Huh, huh, huh- he said weed

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So back to this game. Does anyone think they're actually going to sell 500 of them? I know 3 distros who are sending allocations back to Stern.
Assume that's true, what does stern do? You cant really discount the price after selling them online. Do they build em and hold on and try to slow roll sales direct? Do they just build what has been ordered and move on to the next title never stating how many were made?
Just curious as this could be unprecedented.

Or do you think I'm an idiot and of course there are 500 people paying $20k each for this game?

This answer will satisfy none of the "assets!" crowd, but in the podcast interview they said there are several more gadgets to collect in the game beyond the four on the playfield. After you get those, you continue down a list and IC keeps track until you collect them all, something like that.

BOND 60th and TS4 are both insultingly overpriced, but the iPad Mini on TS4 is the biggest embarrassment of lazy game design I've ever seen.

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I mean, it can't. It's one game, and a retro one at that. "Ultimate fans" of anything are never satisfied. It's part of their schtick.

If we set aside the price for a moment and just look at the 'premium' aspect, I think the majority (here) do not feel this looks premium. I'm sure there are Bond fanatics who don't care about that aspect. Double bonus if you are a Bond & Pinball fanatic. Clearly as a few have pointed out there are some uber Elwin fans who apparently will buy anything he puts out, sight unseen. But for those on the fence, they are going to look at value and the bling. It could be an amazing player, but few pinball people are going to drop 20k up front without having even played it. I think firstly, this whole releasing game preorders without any actual gameplay and full rundown needs to stop NOW. Horrible horrible practice by all involved.

Even with all that...as I said above..it's 500 out of 8 billion. It's entirely possible they will sell out. I kinda thought they would sell out immediately tbh. People are crazy.

I don’t think your an idiot, but if you think Stern won’t sell all 500, you might be. If just one person of ANY reputable pinball persuasion says they bought one, the rest of the cattle with follow suite until they’re gone.

So stern needs lifestyle brand influencers on Tik Tok. These will fly off the shelves then!

They are skiing in the picture and fleeing from the bad guys and yeah - not the best of the Bond art posters, but I'm sure Mr. Hardy has never seen the movie - thus his ignorance.

I GOT ONE.

My guess is no, they're not blind selling 500 at this price with this package.

But I suspect the game is going to actually be fun, and once there's more hands-on time there will be people who warm to the idea of a short-play Elwin game and shrug and pay up.

If you notice though the bulk of people saying they bought one all have 1Y next to their Pinside names. There's a new breed of collector here now.

Edit: lol thank you BriannaWu, that wasn't a shot at you or anything, but you posted at the perfect time.

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I am assuming that is not true. Game has only been available for a day, and I am sure distros and distros customers are still on holidays. Returning allocations lowers the distros allocation next time. There is already flipping going on so why would a distro give their allocation back?

I am not convinced the game is truely sold out. We will find out for sure over the next few weeks.

The key word in my example is “reputable” which is a VERY touchy and subjective word… haha

OK, that's an interesting approach and I see it in the interview transcript (snippet below). It would be nice if that was somehow communicated with the promotional materials for the game. "It'll be a surprise!" doesn't help with making a decision to purchase the game.
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Keith: It's crazy, how many Gadgets are actually in the game. Obviously, we don't have that many inserts, so it'll be a surprise.

Mark: And with Insider Connected, those gadgets are a lifetime Achievements. If we have, I don't know how many gadgets we're going to end up with, but they'll be lifetime Achievements for every time you play. As you get the gadgets, there'll be different ones than the ones that you've already gotten in your lifetime until you've gotten all of them, and then you get the Achievement for that.

In other words...

Say what you will about the BOND 60th price tag, at least Elwin didn't cover half the upper-playfield with a cheap tablet. He designed things for the pinball to actually do instead.

If you squint and pray hard enough, you can convince yourself these arent 99% the same.

JJ

If Stern has the balls to call a movie title on the side "An asset" from the movie, yall should be ashamed of yourselves.

Didnt they say it would cover 60 years? That dont cut it, and even a Stern disciple such as your self knows it. Yea, you have games to sell, but come on man.

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I'm not sure anyone wants to admit to that. It almost feels like it would be embarrassing to admit to, and I'm the guy who paid in full for a RAZA. I'm in no position to judge. I'm also the target demo for this game, I pretty much buy every LE that comes out and was planning on getting this one but I havent had this easy of a pass in pinball ever. TS4CE was an easy pass but only on theme. I thought the game design looked great and I enjoy playing it, just not paying $15k for a theme that was a personal let down, expecting TS 1-3.
I dont think I've ever seen a hype thread so universally negative. Hell, I bought a Mando topper and was excited about it. I dont necessarily make good decisions. I put my wallet where my joy is and I'm just not seeing 500 people saying "Yeah, this looks amazing and $20k is of no concern for me".
I know a few of the "$20k doesnt move the needle" crowd who drop $200k on watches like a normal Wednesday are passing on this which I've never seen before.
Just an interesting dynamic. My vote is for 500 wont sell but I wont be shocked if they do, just a little surprised.
I am completely happy for everyone excited about it though. I'll never be irritated at someone else's joy.

Congrats! I am happy for you.