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James Bond 007 (60th LE)
Stern, 2023
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Annan
Eau Claire, WI
Quoted from Aurich:I think just a certificate, so you can show your date you have an actual Bond 60th limited game, and not a Chinese bootleg.
Yeah, I always thought it was hilarious that the certificate of authenticity is easily the most counterfeitable part of the whole package. I'd have a harder time sourcing cardboard to make the box. If you can copy a Stern game so well that I need to see the certificate, you win.
Quoted from iceman44:I’m a Bond addict too!
The LE will suffice and is looking great
I would have hoped for a James Bond Actor(s) signature.
We are still on the fence about buying the 60th. In Australia, this will be more than likely our one and only opportunity at getting one. I refuse to pay resellers (scalpers) tax. It is bad in Aus.. 25% or higher normally.
Happy New Year!
Quoted from Cobray:People made smart decisions in their life (obviously) so they could make stupid ones like paying $20,000 plus tax and shipping ($22K?) for this absurd offering.
This is a cue for the Stern defenders to jump in and say it's worth every penny and how dare I say it's not (LOL). Same people are the reason for these nutty prices, but the group is getting narrower and narrower I see.
I just look at it as some people are richer than others. For some 20k on something like this is a drop in the bucket and cheaper than their dinner. On the plus side, it probably will get played about 10 minutes and will auction as awesome when they die.
Just getting out of the hospital (work) from a nice 11 hours ..........
Funny the consensus narrative could have been posted well before launch ( although we are more in the nitpicky phase)
All these games are too damn expensive
All these games seem to stabilze at some sort of price well within what it was bought for....YEARS down the line...most for more
Even the few exceptions rarely sell for half what it was bought for, unless the game itself is shitty....
Many people buy these things to simply enjoy them.....the more I look at it, the more I like it ( and the pf screen doesn't even have game info displayed yet). Looks like a great shooter, and even the entire package is pretty cool....love the proprietary mirrored backglass, topper, armor and yes, even the "art".
Just my opinion, my $$$, so yes...I'm excited to play/ own this game...... 1 upvote...minority posting here ( I'm probably in the 1%, lol)
Seems like the thinking was "It's a 60th Bond. Bond started in the 60's. 60's pins had scoring reels, so let's do scoring reels."
And then, even though they're looking to charge 20k for the machine, they said "We're going not going to pay to change our cornerstone backbox. Just make the reels go where the LCD would usually fit."
To get a premium price there needs to be some premium creativity in the design. The layout looks okay, but it's a standard 2 flipper, two sling setup without any unique/interesting mechs like Elwin has put in his other games.
I get that those type of mechs might not exactly fit their idea of a retro design, but there should have been some way to have a little bit of modern meet a little bit of retro and come up with something a bit more unique than this layout and some reels that just got stuffed into the LCD slot.
And they need to give a much better idea of what's on the way for code.
Quoted from Cobray:People made smart decisions in their life (obviously) so they could make stupid ones like paying $20,000 plus tax and shipping ($22K?) for this absurd offering.
Anyone who earned their riches would not throw it away on this. As for the born on 3rd base crowd, I don't know.
This is a status symbol(scratch that) uber fanatic game, like Beatles. MKPin isn't wrong, but the stock market also kept going up until it didn't.Quoted from yancy:GWAR for the 4-bank, PIT for the 3-bank, spinning Cuttlefish of Cthulhu in place of the hat, shut up and take my money!
Topper that squirts fake blood (or worse) when you get a replay. Maybe even Sleazy P. Martini in a tuxedo as a wink to the original. The possibilities are endless.
Greatest Band in the Universe Under Glass
That Top Left Turnaround would make a perfect Portal Potty.
Quoted from MK6PIN:Just getting out of the hospital (work) from a nice 11 hours ..........
Funny the consensus narrative could have been posted well before launch ( although we are more in the nitpicky phase)
All these games are too damn expensive
All these games seem to stabilze at some sort of price well within what it was bought for....YEARS down the line...most for more
Even the few exceptions rarely sell for half what it was bought for, unless the game itself is shitty....
Many people buy these things to simply enjoy them.....the more I look at this thing, the more I like it ( and the pf screen doesn't even have game info on it yet). Looks like a great shooter, and even the entire package is pretty cool....love the proprietary mirrored backglass, topper, armor and yes, even the "art".
Just my opinion, my $$$, so yes...I'm excited to play/ own this game...... 1 upvote...minority posting here ( I'm probably in the 1%, lol)
That is us. We buy the games to enjoy them.
I am thinking about the money which means it is also a financial decision for us. Normally I do not think about the coin. We can sell games to fund the purchase as well.
Congrats on the game!
Congratulations to all of the original buyers of Elvira House of Horrors, 40th Anniversary. At $25K, your record high purchase price remains intact.
It's like the 1972 Miami Dolphins every year waiting for the last undefeated team to lose.
Quoted from Cobray:People made smart decisions in their life (obviously) so they could make stupid ones like paying $20,000 plus tax and shipping ($22K?) for this absurd offering.
"Some" people didn't pay $22k for this game, and everyone makes smart and stupid decisions in all areas of life.....
I'm no Stern defender......always enjoy when the posts start to attack the people buying the games for whatever reason. Happens every freakin release....
Think I'll let this thread run awhile, as I won't have anything of substance to add.......long day....
Quoted from Mr68:Congratulations to all of the original buyers of Elvira House of Horrors, 40th Anniversary. At $25K, your record high purchase price remains intact.
It's like the 1972 Miami Dolphins every year waiting for the last undefeated team to lose.
I hope you ended up getting one from a new distro!
Quoted from dos_reboot:This game is priced to make you feel better about a 10K premium. Did it work?
no. Game is priced to make Stern money.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:no. Game is priced to make Stern money.
See, it worked!
Quoted from Dan1733:What evidence is there that this game has any movie assets at all?
The translite and the playfield.
Quoted from Dan1733:What evidence is there that this game has any movie assets at all?
So far I'm thinking there are zero movie assets (beyond the artwork), at least not video assets from the movies. Without a main LCD screen there may not enough to justify paying for video assets for a mini LCD screen. Considering the asking price though there should be movie clips across multiple Bond films. Even if the license fee would have been $1k per game who cares as look what it already costs. Even $2k per game, just do it at these crazy price levels and go all out at that point.
Sydney
Quoted from Dan1733:Why did Gomez say jaws is in this game for example?
See playfield image:
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Quoted from Zablon:I just look at it as some people are richer than others. For some 20k on something like this is a drop in the bucket and cheaper than their dinner. On the plus side, it probably will get played about 10 minutes and will auction as awesome when they die.
The pinball crowd is not stupid... they just want to play pinball and have been willing to make the sacrifices to buy the machines. To me and many that I have known for a long time in the pinball community, they are done with Stern. Will it affect anything? Not immediately.
You can't compare it to JJP and the other companies and their prices.. unless they can produce and represent like Stern. Stern has taken their lead in the hobby and sat back in the corner and sold brown bag lunches at Steak and Lobster prices only because no one else can make steak and lobster. And all of the hungry pinball crowd just sits back and accepts it because they are getting fed! The only one getting fat and happy for the last few years has been Stern, and the pinball crowd (us) has been defensive because our stomachs are full.. even though we should be getting so much more.
Where this will all go... I don't have good feelings long term, to me the damage has been done. $2K toppers, $22K machines with nothing but 50 year old technology (mech wise). Now 5 spinners and a few drop target banks are "premium features" LMAO. Good god, please stop defending such garbage.
The average Male in the United States makes less than $40K.. and I can tell you, I know a lot of average guys as well as the Rich guys. There has to be a balance somewhere, but at our current state, I don't think it's working. Oh, I know we all here make hundreds of thousands a year and are all rich (some signal more than others here), but dumb money speaks louder LMAO.
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Quoted from Dan1733:Why did Gomez say jaws is in this game for example?
I would’ve been in, if this had even the barest movie assets on the LCD.
Jaws is on the playfield but yeah based on current evidence (mainly the podcast with Elwin and Mark Penacho but also the videos Stern put out) it seems there will be very few movie assets if any.
Quoted from Dan1733:Why did Gomez say jaws is in this game for example?
He's on the playfield with some kind of associated spinner mode. But these days apparently nothing counts unless it's a copy & paste video clip, the absolute least creative way to integrate assets.
Quoted from Dan1733:I would’ve been in, if this had even the barest movie assets on the LCD.
They might still be on the way. Code for the cornerstone game is embryonic and that thing shipped like 6 weeks ago. I wouldn't hold my breath for updates on the SLE.
Quoted from Cobray:The pinball crowd is not stupid... they just want to play pinball and have been willing to make the sacrifices to buy the machines. To me and many that I have known for a long time in the pinball community, they are done with Stern. Will it affect anything? Not immediately.
You can't compare it to JJP and the other companies and their prices.. unless they can produce and represent like Stern. Stern has taken their lead in the hobby and sat back in the corner and sold brown bag lunches at Steak and Lobster prices only because no one else can make steak and lobster. And all of the hungry pinball crowd just sits back and accept sit because they are getting fed! The only one getting fat and happy for the last few years has been Stern, and the pinball crowd (us) has been defensive because our stomachs are full.. even though we should be getting so much more.
Where this will all go... I don't have good feelings long term, to me the damage has been done. $2K toppers, $22K machines with nothing but 50 year old technology (mech wise). Now 5 spinners and a few drop target banks are "premium features" LMAO. Good god, please stop defending such garbage.
The average Male in the United States makes less than $40K.. and I can tell you, I know a lot of average guys as well as the Rich guys. There has to be a balance somewhere, but at our current state, I don't think it's working. Oh, I know we all here make hundreds of thousands a year and are all rich (some signal more than others here), but dumb money speaks louder LMAO. [quoted image][quoted image]
Dude. Take it down a notch. You are entering the ‘methinks thou dost protest too much’ zone with your, to be honest, rather outlandish outrage.
Apparently this game wasn’t up your alley… fine. We get it.
Quoted from yancy:He's on the playfield with some kind of associated spinner mode. But these days apparently nothing counts unless it's a copy & paste video clip, the absolute least creative way to integrate assets.
They might still be on the way. Code for the cornerstone game is embryonic and that thing shipped like 6 weeks ago. I wouldn't hold my breath for updates on the SLE.
The flyer says nothing about movie assets on the LCD. Says the LCD gives assignments. Isn't this probably conclusive that there are zero movie clips? Never will be movie clips? And fine, I concede some folks on this thread don't care about that. For 20K I care about it and, in fact, figured that's why the game would be 20k or more.
To me that these few pins haven’t sold out already speaks volumes. Beatles platinums and diamonds still waiting for homes as well.
Quoted from Sako-TRG:I can't have this and GnR.
Peeps will think I love top hats
Get Rid of your Gunners! Oddball was first!
Reels to LCD seems to have left out the DMD era. If video clip assets are not available, a colorDMD with animations resembling movie related moments ( a la Ghostbusters DMD animation greatness) could have been a worthy alternative to none.
My takeaway from this pin is that Stern is limiting the creativity of its designers now more than ever at the direction of making as much money as they can. Perhaps even riding on past successes of its designers in order to exploit buyers who are willing to buy because said designers are so well respected?
If anyone things that a master designer and creator like Elwin would stop at this basic of a design, you're kidding yourself. Not unless it was a homepin.. and certainly not an "elite, $20K model".
The spinning reel scoring is such a head-scratching gimmick in this. Why? Seems more like a Beatles pin, you know, a tribute to a CLASSIC style machine, and not a benchmark elite pin from a premier pinball company.
Quoted from Grantman:See playfield image:
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Mighty kind of Stern to give Oddjob a Gold colored record under the hat but after all, it probably costs less than the record sticker in GNR. It's too bad the game won't have a soundtrack or the Goldfinger song, guessing $20k x 500 buyers wasn't enough for the rights. Maybe some people like this type of punishment. I'd recommend playing the LP in the background while playing this game for whomever purchases one, it sounds good on vinyl and can be had in good condition for less than 20 bucks if you find a deal.
51qbqg77xel._sl1500_ (resized).jpgLooks like there are 4 multiballs in the game according to the rulesheet. I don't think we'll see much for wizard modes or movie clips which makes sense based on the era this pin is based off of. Does this set the record for lowest scoring in a modern pin? Looks like the points top out at 60k?
Screenshot_20230103-165028_Photos (resized).jpgAt least it's not a home pin. So maybe I'll have a chance to play one on location some day. I need to keep my streak of at least 1 achievement on every release. So far I'm 19/19.
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