Would I buy one? No. I'm poor. Do I think its a 20k game? No.

Is it the equivalent to a HoMe VeRsIoN? Absolutely not. Sure they aren't the most innovative mechs in the world but theres a lot of mechs that cost a bunch of money in this game. I would bet anything the BOM on this game (not even taking into account the license) is much higher than standard stern LE's and Premiums. The licensing fees have to be astronomical too on top of that.

I think the game does look really fun to play. I love the look of the shots and flow from what we've seen and of course I have nothing but faith in Elwin's designs. Personally but my biggest concern (besides the cost) is what will the code and assets be like? I'm already scared about Stern being hamstrung on assets on the gomez version. This is not only multiple movies, but multiple actors and generations. Would love to play this game, but zero interest in owning one, even if I had the means. Also the art looks even worse than on the Gomez version (Gomez art is better than its given credit for, but its still not great). Again, I blame the licensor for that.

I for one love my TNA CE @ $10 k. I play it almost exclusively even though I have a Godzilla LE and a JP Premium. My best friend thinks that TNA is the worst pin ever made and wouldn’t pay $2k. A pin’s worth can only be measured by each owner.

It is double the TNA pricing and the interest is pretty well summed up in this Thread.

I looked at the video again and that odd job hat moves exactly the same as GNR. I hated the playability of GNR even though it looked beautiful and so glad I sold it. I can’t imagine hitting that Slash hat shot ever again though, it was terrible, the only thing good about it was that it scratched like a record as an Easter egg feature but to think you can have a GNR with all it has in it for $10k compared to this at $20k just describes how overpriced this Bond game is. Don’t get me wrong JJP killed it for themselves when they got Greedy too with TS4 so no fanboy here, lol, but this is just as bad or worse greed. I remember from the podcast GG saying the hat didn’t fit in on with the cornerstone Bond releases, it makes sense as it looks like they just dumped it into the center of this game and Elwin just went with it thinking he could do no wrong but it’s wrong. It’s neither creative or innovative, far from it as it was obviously copied. I do like optical spinners and the Electric Magic spinner shot in Zep was a great shot, nothing like the feel of that shot! so Imo Steve Ritchie at home with Covid is still better than Elwin in regards to this release.

Always last

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Same. They are not the enemy here they are just trying to make a living.

Why would they put reels behind the LCD screen Keith. Come on man that just seems silly............ And before I am blasted, YES I am being sarcastic

That wheel is similar to the one on #AIQ

How else can you get the authentic clicking sound to go with the LCD display?

Just missed my chance to buy Keith this for xmas.
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You're just $1k off in your "right there" comparison, nobody had to get the butter upgrade. Oh and TNA already sold the original 500 run so talking about interest on a second TNA limited run to Bond 60th initial is a reach.

We know what Stern is capable of though. This is like your star player sitting on the bench because people are showing up to the game anyways.

The score reels are hidden behind the backglass...and a small video camera captures them and puts it on the LCD. This is the innovation we are looking for!

For sure.. I’d rather play a ‘60’s Gottlieb Wedgehead than this game.. the definition of authentic, built with real, quality metal and costs way less!

And now a $50,000 Dutch Team Magic Girl seems reasonable.

In reality, it looks hella fun, and Elwin made Zilla... so you can bet your ass I will play and enjoy one as soon as I can. But for $20,000 I would get a Dr No, Zilla Pro and a Deadpool Pro (or a JP) and call it a day.

Maybe if I was the guy with the Tron cabinet secret door basement arcade, and an obsessive bond fan, with mountains of $... then sure. But I have kids that need to go to college, so nope!

Congrats to all who get one! Enjoy folks as I envy you.

PS - Looking forward to reading the crossover thread to EMs about the proper score reel cleaning methods.

Let's not go suckin each other's dicks just yet gentlemen

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This Pin might be a better investment than a college degree...but, yeah -

Until I finish building and fitting out my Volcano Lair: Pass.

But are they spectacular? Really? Or are they a silly gimmick that should have been left off so they didn't have to plant an LCD in the middle of the PF so you can still use the menu system. 4 number scores. Get outta here with that weak sauce.

FYI. Keith Elwin did not invent the score reel. That was John Popadiuk

If I manage a trade for my jjp Pirates, I'd have it on location.

Time will tell.

LTG : )

I would love to try the layout!

The price is too much and the package is license restricted feeling and not compelling. But for people complaining about the playfield we just find different things interesting.

I can’t believe Keith held this cheap reproduction score reel thing so tight and under wraps.. some people are so full of themselves these days, they don’t invent anything and then are protective of their copy, then try and charge a fortune for it. No thanks.

You sure called this one right. With the rollovers, there must be rules for hitting it clockwise and counter clockwise.

With all due respect.....don't trade for Pirates! Its too good of a game....although with all the issues I have with it I could understand it being a bit of a pain to have on location.

Mine has been very reliable on location.

Of my jjp pins, it just doesn't earn like the rest. Hence it could be available for something else.

I can't be passionate about games, for me it comes down to the cashbox.

LTG : )
Disclaimer : Trade for TS didn't happen. Maybe this trade will or not.

That totally makes sense. The simplicity of this Bond may make it do very well on location.

Only 2 pops?? They better not fire together lol

He only trashes dead uncles!

And no art blades ???

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I'd be all over this if it was an unlimited number pin at say a Stern premium price.

Anyone else listen to that podcast with KME and Mark Panacho yet? They didn’t exactly squash the idea of this design not getting reused.

It will be mildly interesting to see how many of the people trolling in here change their tune if that does happen.

Agree and I’ll go a step further, standard LE price would do it for me and would sell like hot cakes.

I remember the original rumor was built to order and not limited. Would have been an interesting sales concept.

The reels are a nostalgia play that doesn’t fit. The layout and art are wildly out of place for them. Segmented displays would have been way hotter.

Make them RGB 16 segments and I’ll get actually jealous.

Update: there are zero songs or call-outs in this game! OK, I made that up but we don't know, do we? We don't know if there are any video or audio clips, either. This is like having to decide if you want to buy a new car without being able to take it for a test drive and not knowing what half the features are. We know it drives, but does it have heated seats or automatic wipers? Maybe!

curious if it comes with 10 grand in the coin box

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HA! Love your post... too real since not only can they afford this easily... they might just be actual buyers since Pinball is in their wheelhouse... Here is Kourtney's WOZ and a link to an event they attended.

https://www.tmz.com/2017/03/30/khloe-kourtney-kardashian-girlfriends-pinball-squad/

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To me it looks like they mirrored Eight Ball Deluxe, swapped the lower pop for an obnoxious spinning disc, and added an extra lane or two for some sweet loop-de-loops. That's an oversimplification of the layout for sure but that's my first impression. And don't even get me started on the cabinet "art."

Link? Always enjoy hearing Keith. He's not just thoughtful he reminds me to stay chill, he always sounds unfazed by the bullshit.

I think the hate just tends to overflow. It's not a good package, you're buying one and you even know that to be true. But it's unfortunate that the usual nonsense comes with it. Nobody has even seen gameplay and they're already judging it.

Doesn't matter how on top you are, Keith Elwin is making the most interesting modern pinball out there, straight up, and he doesn't even get cut a little slack.

At least 10 delicious grands in every Bond 60th coin box. Bringing some of that Disney brand synergy thinking to Stern.

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I got to it through the IC exclusives podcasts page. I will try and find a way to get the link.

Edit: after logging in, you just have to scroll down to ‘Exclusives’

https://insider.sternpinball.com/login?redirectUri=/

I feel like the artist accidentally opened the Playboy art files when the licensor was there and they said "Yes, that! Exactly like that!" and at that point they were stuck.

I don't hold Stern responsible for the art on this one, it screams licensor restrictions. But still, has a huge "Stern 2005" vibe to it I find off-putting.

That said, I find the score reels particularly yeesh because of the typeface for the numbers, and how far apart they are. I can't imagine the licensor would have anything to say about that so that's on Stern. Maybe TreyBo is right and Eon demanded them? Seems out of place.

Anyway I'm sure it shoots great and it's probably tons of fun. It's really too bad they couldn't be creative at all.

exactly. gimme this design on a non limited version. Maybe one bond and not all of them. I dunno. Design looks cool, I think it will be fun to flip.

I'd be in all day at $10,000. Maybe even at $15,000, just because it looks like big-ass fun to flip. I'd pay $2 per game to play it, all day long. But the sweet spot here was $12,500-15,000 to sell out, IMO. At $20,000, the price becomes the problem.

Yikes this is one ugly looking game.. i thought the leaked pictures was a joke.

Since they (Stern or licensor, whoever) wanted the SLE to be retro, why not make the cornerstone the "all six Bonds" model and have this one just Connery? It's weird to have those ultra-modern Daniel Craig film posters on the side of a game with score reels.

I remember the original rumor was built to order and not limited. Would have been an interesting sales concept.

Built to order would be a million times better imo.. show the game, have a window to purchase for a while, then close it off.. It's still limited that way and people won't feel bamboozled later on. If the game is good enough? There's nothing to hide and nothing to lose for the company as they can make many more if it's hot and the exact # they need without waste. Win/Win.

I think that it looks like a good flowy pin. And Kieth Elwyn’s code should make it awesome. But I certainly can’t afford one.