Shooter Lane Spinner.

Still looks double the norm.

Reskin this thing with archer and they'd sell every unit they could make for the next five years

Does not look like an actual spinner, you can see the normal spinner to the left, but its looks more like a contact that registers ball movement in passing, the same way a lane trigger would.

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Probably for a ball return. Allows for variation in the ball path and still get a fast exit from the shot. Won’t rattle.

Oh hell yeah!! I’m in.

Didn’t Gomez say it used the same screen as the home pins? The display in the picture definitely isn’t the home pin screen. The backbox doesn’t really match up at all with how Gomez described it.

I bet this is going to be great but I'm super bummed if this really is only 500 and crazy expensive because then I'm likely blocked out of the experience by a paywall. Sure there are plenty of business models like that but I enjoyed in pinball how even if I couldn't afford a game, I could typically find some location that would have it or there would be a cheaper model option. I wouldn't count on one of these on a location. Sure there are games like that in the past that were limited runs but I would say Elwin is one of Stern's largest competitive advantages, so a game made by him that only the super rich can enjoy certainly feels bad.

so now the definition of street level classic is just a modern stern without ramps?

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Here is a little better quality pic. It is real.

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Maybe explains why we don’t see score reels

whatever it is, I think we can all agree this launch has been a cluster f...

I thought someone mentioned it earlier in the thread but Joel was talking about the 60th using this photo on his tpn stream last night and Elwin popped into chat to basically ask him to look at some of the details (lack of text on start button and coin slots, lack of art blades, “score reels”) and question whether they look real… assuming this is either a real (legitimate) or fake mock up of the machine so investing too much love or hate into the details is probably pointless.

Here is the direct link to the image on the official 007 website. It is 100% real.

https://www.007.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Pinball-11.jpg

The Bond listing on sterns own website says it’s limited to 500 globally, the number isn’t speculation it’s fact. I don’t get why they are limiting it like that…I think it would make more sense as a timed exclusive. Hopefully this isn’t some kind of new trend for them.

The fact the 007 website has renders at all makes me wonder if they get a small allocation of the game to sell. I see they also post news so most likely it’s just for that.

I'd bet that it's an early image Stern sent the licensor for approval on art before the game was finalized - before they decided to use reels, etc. And whoever does the Bond website just had it and decided to use it.

I just don't see these moving fast at all. I'm sure there will be 50 or so that won't even blink an eye no matter what the price is, simply because they have the money and love Bond. Outside of that scenario, I think these are gonna sit with the distributors for awhile.

Stern is for sure testing the market. I guess we'll see what it's willing to take.

People keep saying that and I don't understand why.

A "clusterfuck" connotates some kind of failure or disaster.

FOMO is at an all time high, the LEs are sold out...I don't know man. Seems like the launch is going fine to me.

If "clusterfuck" means driving Pinsiders crazy with FOMO, hype, fear, anger, and excitement (which happens EVERY time a game is revealed), I guess you are right, but that's not really my definition of clusterfuck.

It's a cluster because the reveal was delayed a week and some photos/renders leaked? Big deal. Pretty much par for the course. In a few weeks, nobody will remember any of this shit.

The hype/fomo/"clusterfuck".....it's all completely self-manufactured here at Pinside, by Pinsiders, as is ALWAYS the case.

I agree on the appeal of Bond, but at $20k+? How many pins have sold for over $20k?

Maybe I should have said the reveal is a disaster

Reveal has zero impact on FOMO/Sales these days
It can still be a failure and sell well

I guess we are just arguing semantics. I just don't think any of this bullshit matters very much.

At the end of the day a bunch of pinball critics needed to wait a week for an "official" reveal of a pinball machine while the free hype continued to build.

Whoopdie fuckin' do! Call in the damage control consultants!

Is this where the rich people hang out? If so I may be at the wrong party

This is a thread for people to say things like

"If it's a dollar over $18K, I'M OUT!!!!"

My interpretation of that photo is that it has an LCD that is doing virtual score reels, and likely little else (no video assets or effects).

It's not a photo, it's a render we weren't really supposed to see. I'm starting to think the actual product will look much different.

I kind of hope it isn't actual score wheels because I don't care for Nelly and the tiny 4 player scores. We'll see how it goes.

I kind of agree too - the way Beatles does it is fine, though I kind of think the 10 digit scores or whatever look stupid EM reel style (that's one game that could have gone back to 5 or 6 digit scoring).

Those are listed at high prices but I don't think they are actually getting the ask. I realize there are very deep pockets in the hobby, but I don't see 500 of these moving at $20k+. Could be wrong though. Guess we'll find out.

This hobby continues to surprise me.

Stern seems to be in a "no lose" situation with this. Those 500 will sell, or they won't. But they won't know if it was possible unless they try. And if it doesn't, they've got plenty on the line.

Yeah that's the scary part to me. If this works, then the NIB portion of this hobby is going to have a steep barrier to entry. Stern will keep going until they find that ceiling.

I hope that render is far from the final product, but I'm guessing the cabinet & translite are pretty much set. If so, for my taste, it's the worst looking pin since... Sopranos maybe? Side of the head with all that different logo typography crammed on there is sub-homebrew caliber. Absolute graphic design nightmare. So ugly that it's killing any FOMO I have for a game I will surely love to play. Will be satisfied to play this at a friend's house.

I doubt my locations will ever get one so it kinda sucks that there's a cool sounding game many will not get to play or even see. Hopefully they do another version or make some for location.

Remember when Beatles got hate even at the gold trim level. 4 flippers, 11 drops, opto and mech spinners, two magnets, bling armor and art blades.

Enjoy Stern revisiting these street level pins!

I suspect 500 will sell pretty quick.

That defeats the entire purpose of a small, limited run 60th anniversary pin though. One day you'll be somewhere and spot one and it'll matter then. You'll probably get Pro/Premium at your local joints like most of us.

For sure. This is as much of a reward for the dealers as anything. Normally they are strongly encouraged to stick to MSRP even on LEs. On this game the dealers are only given a minimum price they can charge. There is no MSRP and the sky is the limit depending on what people will pay. This gives the dealers a chance to rake in on some FOMO instead of the flippers. Stern makes their buck on the volume sales of the cornerstone pro/pre/LE sales. They will surely make money on the 60th too, but with only 500 made you factor in the development costs are higher per machine and the extra cost of the license. The lack of premiums (Elvira) or golds (Beatles) means these 500 will be it so the value should hold pretty firm (unless the Goldfinger LE is based on the classic playfield version!!).

IP costs will be dispersed along the four pins being made and a single level game will be faster & cheaper to develop compared to a game with ramps and subways.

Complexity of new mechs is an unknown factor in cost of course.