If i was rich I'd buy it.
Why not? If i had millions in the bank, is $25,000 really that big of deal?
If i was rich I'd buy it.
Why not? If i had millions in the bank, is $25,000 really that big of deal?
Quoted from cooked71:Seems really strange especially with Elwin and such a huge Licence. Woah Nellie, Primus etc I can understand- niche themes and niche game design. But Elwin on Bond with all Bond movies! Here’s hoping it eventually comes in other flavours.
I do not get it.. Elwin + Bond = $$$. Stern could make thousands of these things.. We would buy the exclusive version straight away.. No bourbon needed to help make a pinball buying decision.
Happy New Year!
Quoted from pinballaddicted:I do not get it.. Elwin + Bond = $$$. Stern could make thousands of these things.. We would buy the exclusive version straight away.. No bourbon needed to help make a pinball buying decision.
Happy New Year!
This makes too much good sense. Make 2 version levels, one exclusive and one regular. Win win for everyone and keep prices down, not a silly 500 only club at pillaging high costs. Stern could make them for years to come.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:I do not get it.. Elwin + Bond = $$$. Stern could make thousands of these things.. We would buy the exclusive version straight away.. No bourbon needed to help make a pinball buying decision.
Happy New Year!
Stern will reuse the layout on another game. KME is an instant sell to a lot of people at this point, so why not just retheme his first single level game.
Quoted from JustEverett:Stern will reuse the layout on another game. KME is an instant sell to a lot of people at this point, so why not just retheme his first single level game.
I do not think Stern are thinking that far ahead... They are too busy with all their corporate changes.
I just one one advertised price for all. This $25k to one and $19 to another is bull for Elvira 40th. Need one price.
Quoted from beltking:I just one one advertised price for all. This $25k to one and $19 to another is bull for Elvira 40th. Need one price.
Que ??
Is this supposed to be the Kings English?
Ha ha ha... Me thinks Beltking had a few New Years Belts...
Glug glug glug.. me hate Price on blinkey box of lights !
Me Demand simple price structure !
Hell... I polished off a bottle of champagne by myself.
Happy New Year's everyone.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:I do not think Stern are thinking that far ahead... They are too busy with all their corporate changes.
Stern is a massive company. I guarantee they are thinking that far ahead.
Quoted from demandecan55:1000000% - I hope Stern see's this. They probably have their reasons for this, but if they keep pushing people out this will be a prime example.
I thought I heard/read somewhere that the licensor requested this version (unlike the cornerstone Bond) so the second designer, cabinet art, limited quantities, release timing etc. may all be decisions made by the licensor…
Quoted from Thunderbird:4 Its just plain ugly with almost no forethought from an artistic view, even 60s art view.
Gomez did not say it in so many words, but dealing with this license holder is clearly a pain in the ass. Did you see the banner?
Quoted from Grantman:Gomez did not say it in so many words, but dealing with this license holder is clearly a pain in the ass.
George is too smart to throw a licensor under the bus. I was surprised though how direct he was about it being their fault Bond launched with less code than planned. It’s about as blunt as you ever hear him.
I doubt the “you can only use movie posters” approach was one Stern chose on their own.
Quoted from Aurich:George is too smart to throw a licensor under the bus. I was surprised though how direct he was about it being their fault Bond launched with less code than planned. It’s about as blunt as you ever hear him.
I doubt the “you can only use movie posters” approach was one Stern chose on their own.
The Bond slot machines are fun.
The artwork is what one would expect. Not surprised the pin art looks very similar.
I like it myself, the movie posters. I don’t know how else you would incorporate all Bond movies. Then again, I’m not creative
Quoted from Aurich:George is too smart to throw a licensor under the bus. I was surprised though how direct he was about it being their fault Bond launched with less code than planned. It’s about as blunt as you ever hear him.
I doubt the “you can only use movie posters” approach was one Stern chose on their own.
You know I don’t necessarily object to one side of the cabinet showing all the movie posters like the LE.
The backglass is so busy that it simply doesn’t do anything for me but when I think about it, what the heck would you put on the backglass??
It’s tough.
In terms of gameplay and code, what I think would blow everyone away would be the ability to choose which Bond you play at the beginning of the game with a different set of code and rules for each Bond AND all the video clips would only play the Bond you chose at the beginning of the game. Kinda like having 6 games in 1…………something like GOT or Star Wars.
Plus I’m hoping for a shot load of gadgets. It’s James Bond fro crying out loud!
Quoted from pinballaddicted:Ha ha ha ha ha ha..
I will be putting this post up when the game is revealed in the next few days.
FYI. The picture of the game came from an official Bond site...
Exactly - can't believe that folks don't think this is the final game, ok maybe a few minor things will move around like with B66 but 100% there is no way that Eon etc are sticking a made up picture on their website of something they had intended to sell!
£25k and I'm out.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:I do not get it.. Elwin + Bond = $$$. Stern could make thousands of these things.. We would buy the exclusive version straight away.. No bourbon needed to help make a pinball buying decision.
Happy New Year!
100%
Quoted from NeilMcRae:Exactly - can't believe that folks don't think this is the final game, ok maybe a few minor things will move around like with B66 but 100% there is no way that Eon etc are sticking a made up picture on their website of something they had intended to sell!
£25k and I'm out.
It maybe more like we don’t want to believe that’s the final version, lol.
Quoted from Aurich:George is too smart to throw a licensor under the bus. I was surprised though how direct he was about it being their fault Bond launched with less code than planned. It’s about as blunt as you ever hear him.
I doubt the “you can only use movie posters” approach was one Stern chose on their own.
George was talking about how the licensor doesn't allow you to mix elements of one Bond movie from elements of another. I think that's probably why multiball cancels any running mode currently (which TOTALLY SUCKS). The multiballs are themed from a specific movie, and the modes running are usually probably from another movie, so multiball has to cancel the other. Aside from talking some sense in to the licensor about the realities and requirements of a modern, commercially successful PINBALL, the only way I see that getting fixed is to just not make multiball available while in a mode, which also sucks, but way less than having multiball eat whatever mode is running and all progress like it does now. I guess you could just have it remember the progress, pause the mode, run the multiball, then continue the mode you were on, but that would be be very clunky.
Quoted from NeilMcRae:Exactly - can't believe that folks don't think this is the final game, ok maybe a few minor things will move around like with B66 but 100% there is no way that Eon etc are sticking a made up picture on their website of something they had intended to sell!
£25k and I'm out.
Did you see that some will be available on Stern Website for Insiders?
This will put a MSRP on the game, making it a bit harder for some distros to ask for crazy money.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:Did you see that some will be available on Stern Website for Insiders?
This will put a MSRP on the game, making it a bit harder for some distros to ask for crazy money.
Unless Stern posts at a stupidly high price making all distro sales cheap in comparison.
Quoted from PinMonk:George was talking about how the licensor doesn't allow you to mix elements of one Bond movie from elements of another.
Way to totally miss what the fans want, all in the name of some pointless brand oversight.
Contrast that with how happy Toho was to let Team Elwin run wild, or, for that matter, what George and team was allowed to do with Deadpool.
Good games that create favorable brand impressions come from letting fans have fun, not from lawyering things.
Quoted from iceman44:The Bond slot machines are fun.
Agree. However, when in Vegas a few weeks ago I couldn't find one in the several casinos we visited. Was really bummed.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Lyman isn’t going to be making any more pinball machines.
He’s dead.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Maybe it’s time to stop bringing him up every time a new pinball machine gets announced and whining that he isn’t doing the software.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:It’s unseemly.
No, it isn’t. Yeah, the dudes dead. But when he wasn’t dead the man was able to turn any playfield layout into a fun game. It would take him a long time, but he just kept doing it, game after game. People bring him up because the man was a benchmark that other programmers don’t measure up to. People just lament the fact that others don’t have his skill.
Yeah, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
“How can they charge $25k for this game when Lyman didn’t do the software?!” is unseemly.
It’s like complaining that Wakanda movie tickets cost $20 and Chadwick Boseman isn’t even in it.
Quoted from DaveH:But when he wasn’t dead the man was able to turn any playfield layout into a fun game. It would take him a long time, but he just kept doing it, game after game.
The ONLY pin he failed to make work well was Batman:TDK, and that's even a lowercase fail because he fixed it when Gomez re-did the table as Batman'66 and fixed a lot of the crappy design elements of the TDK table like the teeter-totter and rotating coffee can that Lyman had no control over and could not make fun with software.
But yeah, genius-level coder with a deep understanding of accessibility and layered difficulty that made his games approachable for novices and a challenge for players. RIP.
Quoted from PinMonk:But yeah, genius-level coder with a deep understanding of accessibility and layered difficulty that made his games approachable for novices and a challenge for players. RIP.
Wander around my gameroom sometimes..... truly blown away with how many awesome , timeless games he's done. He was a one of a kind...
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Yeah, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
“How can they charge $25k for this game when Lyman didn’t do the software?!” is unseemly.
It’s like complaining that Wakanda movie tickets cost $20 and Chadwick Boseman isn’t even in it.
Nobody is saying that you Crazy Leveeee! Just making shit up again
Ffs. You are one sensitive Stern defender. Just like Panzer and JJP.
LYMAN SHEETS, the coding King may he RIP
Quoted from Only_Pinball:Agree. However, when in Vegas a few weeks ago I couldn't find one in the several casinos we visited. Was really bummed.
Bellagio has some but the Cosmopolitan has the best bank of Bond pins.
A lot of casinos, especially Caesars, have gone away from licensed slots.
Well.....T-minus 48 hours I suppose. Happy New Year everyone. This one is certainly going to start off with a bang......
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Yeah, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
“How can they charge $25k for this game when Lyman didn’t do the software?!” is unseemly.
It’s like complaining that Wakanda movie tickets cost $20 and Chadwick Boseman isn’t even in it.
Is it?
Talk about a stretch to make a point. What was your point btw?
Quoted from Grantman:Gomez did not say it in so many words, but dealing with this license holder is clearly a pain in the ass. Did you see the banner?
After spending 4 hours yesterday in a pinball room with that banner right when you walk in, I can easily say it’s the 2nd worst banner I’ve ever seen.
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Quoted from Thunderbird:This makes too much good sense. Make 2 version levels, one exclusive and one regular. Win win for everyone and keep prices down, not a silly 500 only club at pillaging high costs. Stern could make them for years to come.
Stern's still backed up. They don't WANT to be making another sku for years to come. Why not make ONE pin that has the profit of THREE pins, make 500 of them, and keep the line clear for another SKU? They are backed up with pins they can't release because the pandemic screwed up their output. Didn't Keith say he had two unreleased pins done like a year ago and was working on another? I'm sure Borg is in a similar state. Even with the loss of Steve, they have too many pins, too much demand, and not enough line.
The only part of Stern's plan I think is unconscionable is the Insider Connected achievements that tie the regular Bond Pro/Prem/LE to the Bond 60th pin. That achievement will be unattainable for a LOT of people that care about IC. Dumb for such an exclusive pin. If Stern's ok with that, why not make some Monkey NFT pin IC co-achievements? Or Supreme IC achievements? Basically if the pin is super-limited non-cornerstone, it should have only a basic set of achievements and no co-achievements with other pins.
Quoted from iceman44:Nobody is saying that you Crazy Leveeee! Just making shit up again
Ffs. You are one sensitive Stern defender. Just like Panzer and JJP.
LYMAN SHEETS, the coding King may he RIP
Hey even I'll criticize JJP every now and then lol (ex, code and quality threads I've made about JJP).
After some thought I have decided I am going to get a Bond 60th. I am excited for tomorrow
Here is my reasoning:
1) We didn't get any good pin releases last year (2022), and the heavily rumored pins this year don't excite me. JJP's stuff seems lame, and a music pin and Venom (which could be cool) from Stern don't force my wallet to budge much. Spooky has gone downhill with their stuff. CGC is amazing, but they make games at a snails pace. So using that logic I believe this has a chance to be the best game of 2022 and 2023 combined. I am not saying it will be, but it just has greater odds due to less releases, lame titles, and some flops so far.
2) This next reason is kinda lame, but I think Stern will use this release as a barometer for their busines model. Can a limited machine at a super high cost work if there are no Premiums or other similar machines like it? Well, if they want it to work this 60th better be amazing to build FOMO for the next release. If this machine flops so does this business model as nobody here will forget about it. I am banking on Stern putting out a super product to incentivize future greed and limited runs.
3) Elwin + All Bonds in one game. I love the Bond franchise and it's music. So personally I am invested which matters a lot!
4) I can see people wanting all of Elwins games some day. If he continues to push out amazing pins that drive sales and innovation he will expanding Pinball for years. Collectors will want all of his gems, and that could possibly keep the price tag high.
5) I made the decision and I don't regret it immediately. No remorse like I have had in the past on other titles. I feel good about it. I have been looking for a single level game for a while and kept floundering on which one to get. Now that problem is solved. I might have to cut back spending in other places to get it, but that's fine. I will live with the bad art, and enjoy it for what it is.
Forgive the blatant plug, but as we all wait for the SLE announcement tomorrow, we're also getting very close to the end of my charity fundraiser for the Cancer Research Institute (my Bond LE is slated for delivery Wednesday)
In 2022 we as a community were able to raise ~$28k for cancer research with a similar charity fundraiser for my Rush LE. Obviously the market (and economy) has changed in the past year, but I'm still hopeful we can do some good with my Bond LE.
If you or someone you know is interested in picking up a Bond LE (would look great next to those SLE and supporting a very worthy cause, please check out above link. We're at $1350 so far, and I will be matching any bid above purchase with my own donation to CRI as well.
Best wishes for the New Year, and good luck to all the SLE hunters tomorrow!
Quoted from ray-dude:Forgive the blatant plug, but as we all wait for the SLE announcement tomorrow, we're also getting very close to the end of my charity fundraiser for the Cancer Research Institute (my Bond LE is slated for delivery Wednesday)
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/flip-for-good-charity-auction-for-james-bond-007-le#post-7192160
In 2022 we as a community were able to raise ~$28k for cancer research with a similar charity fundraiser for my Rush LE. Obviously the market (and economy) has changed in the past year, but I'm still hopeful we can do some good with my Bond LE.
If you or someone you know is interested in picking up a Bond LE (would look great next to those SLE and supporting a very worthy cause, please check out above link. We're at $1350 so far, and I will be matching any bid above purchase with my own donation to CRI as well.
Best wishes for the New Year, and good luck to all the SLE hunters tomorrow!
How much are you prepared to pay?
I agree with you on most points and I believe Stern already know their sales will come off. This is why Gomez pretty much told people what to expect from Stern in 2023, so people can decide where to spend their money.
Quoted from demandecan55:After some thought I have decided I am going to get a Bond 60th. I am excited for tomorrow
Here is my reasoning:
1) We didn't get any good pin releases last year (2022), and the heavily rumored pins this year don't excite me. JJP's stuff seems lame, and a music pin and Venom (which could be cool) from Stern don't force my wallet to budge much. Spooky has gone downhill with their stuff. CGC is amazing, but they make games at a snails pace. So using that logic I believe this has a chance to be the best game of 2022 and 2023 combined. I am not saying it will be, but it just has greater odds due to less releases, lame titles, and some flops so far.
2) This next reason is kinda lame, but I think Stern will use this release as a barometer for their busines model. Can a limited machine at a super high cost work if there are no Premiums or other similar machines like it? Well, if they want it to work this 60th better be amazing to build FOMO for the next release. If this machine flops so does this business model as nobody here will forget about it. I am banking on Stern putting out a super product to incentivize future greed and limited runs.
3) Elwin + All Bonds in one game. I love the Bond franchise and it's music. So personally I am invested which matters a lot!
4) I can see people wanting all of Elwins games some day. If he continues to push out amazing pins that drive sales and innovation he will expanding Pinball for years. Collectors will want all of his gems, and that could possibly keep the price tag high.
5) I made the decision and I don't regret it immediately. No remorse like I have had in the past on other titles. I feel good about it. I have been looking for a single level game for a while and kept floundering on which one to get. Now that problem is solved. I might have to cut back spending in other places to get it, but that's fine. I will live with the bad art, and enjoy it for what it is.
Are you ok with paying $25k for one and it being worth $15k in 6 months? I'm not saying that will happen, but it's certainly possible.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:I find this to be dissapointing. Your distro is not talking to you?
My distributor is sold out and has been since the beginning.
Quoted from Mr68:My distributor is sold out and has been since the beginning.
I like the idea. Doesn’t hurt to shop around if you are in for one anyway.
I respect your approach of making them try to sell to you vs the onus of you to find someone to stick it in your [expletive]
Quoted from demandecan55:After some thought I have decided I am going to get a Bond 60th. I am excited for tomorrow
Here is my reasoning:
1) We didn't get any good pin releases last year (2022), and the heavily rumored pins this year don't excite me. JJP's stuff seems lame, and a music pin and Venom (which could be cool) from Stern don't force my wallet to budge much. Spooky has gone downhill with their stuff. CGC is amazing, but they make games at a snails pace. So using that logic I believe this has a chance to be the best game of 2022 and 2023 combined. I am not saying it will be, but it just has greater odds due to less releases, lame titles, and some flops so far.
2) This next reason is kinda lame, but I think Stern will use this release as a barometer for their busines model. Can a limited machine at a super high cost work if there are no Premiums or other similar machines like it? Well, if they want it to work this 60th better be amazing to build FOMO for the next release. If this machine flops so does this business model as nobody here will forget about it. I am banking on Stern putting out a super product to incentivize future greed and limited runs.
3) Elwin + All Bonds in one game. I love the Bond franchise and it's music. So personally I am invested which matters a lot!
4) I can see people wanting all of Elwins games some day. If he continues to push out amazing pins that drive sales and innovation he will expanding Pinball for years. Collectors will want all of his gems, and that could possibly keep the price tag high.
5) I made the decision and I don't regret it immediately. No remorse like I have had in the past on other titles. I feel good about it. I have been looking for a single level game for a while and kept floundering on which one to get. Now that problem is solved. I might have to cut back spending in other places to get it, but that's fine. I will live with the bad art, and enjoy it for what it is.
Hope it works out for you. Just can't commit to something I haven't seen and don't know what it costs.....sort of basic criteria for me. Still in the " maybe" camp.......
Quoted from Mr68:My distributor is sold out and has been since the beginning.
That's what they all said before the price of the Thunderball LE was announced.
There are 52 Stern dealers in the US. Try contacting a bunch of them and you might be surprised.
Quoted from TreyBo69:I respect your approach of making them try to sell to you vs the onus of you to find someone to stick it in your [expletive]
Thanks !!
Quoted from MK6PIN:Hope it works out for you. Just can't commit to something I haven't seen and don't know what it costs.....sort of basic criteria for me. Still in the " maybe" camp.......
Totally reasonable - I am selling a machine to make it work if it's too high. I really hope it's not obviously and everyone who wants one here on this journey can jump in.
I get all the reasons not to, and I get the reasons to do it. Nobody else has to follow me here, I am happy with my decision. I thought buying Stranger Things Premium early this year for 10.5k was a waste and I wouldn't get more money out of it. Well I sold for 14.5k a few months later. If I lose on Bond I have won on other things and I am ok losing sometimes. The main point is, I am happy and I will keep it win or lose. Not here to flip it.... and hopefully with this high price flippers will not be testing the market too much.
Quoted from Grantman:That's what they all said before the price of the Thunderball LE was announced.
There are 52 Stern dealers in the US. Try contacting a bunch of them and you might be surprised.
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