Came here for some game/stream discussion and found something else

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OMG!!!! The reels were totally meant for the Rush topper. Absolutely. Wouldn’t shock me if they were designed for that first. The exact mech will be on the Rush Time Machine topper. Guaranteed.

Poor Tritan-21 has 4 of these coming. I hope he didn’t use the kids college fund to finance them. Ummmm. That stream must have been uncomfortable for him.

I thought we already knew that. I mean, i did. They never once said there were visual assets, so why people thought there would be is on them for assuming.

What can I say about this game that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan? It looks bombed out and depleted.

There is a club thread now and it would be nice to have people start actual conversations like that in it… I will still be back in here for fisticuffs though.

I know to stay away from the club thread, they are known to eat their own young in the club threads…

I have one...can you imagine if Elwin wasn't the designer of this game? The hate would be off the charts! The left loop around is the only shot that makes me smile, and is total KME. Everything else is pretty "meh".

To be effective, you have to effect something. What did your constant bitching "affect" that Stern listened and made some effective change to satisfy you?

Your level of self importance is off the charts lol.

It does make for some good entertainment, I'll give ya that! All in good fun, some people take this stuff way too seriously.

I think it looks cool tbh, I hope I get to play one at MGC. No desire to own one at any price though.

Lol this line got me. If I could thumbs up thrice I would.

We all know posting about price is a good way to keep telling yourself not to open your wallet Most of us in here can afford this game.....don't open wallet(too expensive!)....don't open wallet(money grab!)....don't open wallet(greedy Stern!)....don't open wallet(no video clips!)....don't open wallet(no mechs!)

I do the same, no shame in that - secretly we know we all want this game

I think people are forgetting that Stern’s backlog is so big right now, that getting a limited-release higher dollar pin on the line and completed gets them cash without tying up that line for more than a couple weeks. Even the complainers here are benefitting from it, they are just too thick to see it.

That you believe I think I am important or any of this is important is where you are mistaken. Burn the house down, I won’t care. I’m here to waste time before I die, not much else. Oh and discuss and berate shitty Stern cash grabs to keep it topical.

But, but, but… no video assets in the 60th!! OMG! Cash grab! Bastards!

First of all, congrats to all the guys getting this game. Mark, Pbaddicted, etc. Bond is a grail theme for me.

I tried to envision myself playing this game at home and wanting to hit the start button over and over. Couldn't get there for me.

Partly because watching Elwin play it versus a basic stiff are two different experiences

Also i'm loving my BondLE and playing it more than any other pin at the outset since TWD, despite lacking full code.

The licensor wanted a "retro" game with scoring reels. I guess they did what they could with a new reels concept. Seems disjointed to me. To imply that all Bond assets were in the game? Falls way short to me and a HUGE stretch.

Additional Bond music would have helped. Yeah i know, costs money.

Bottom line, i'm keeping my FOMO in check this time, I will enjoy my also "overpriced" Bond LE

I do reserve the right to get one of these down the line!

Stupid, foolish, dumb, smart, wise, idiotic, demented, crazed, wrong, right, dense, and brilliant are all words I could use to describe Stern, but never lazy. They are super efficient in extracting money from the pockets of the rich and gullible. Current company excluded of course out of deep mutual respect.

Club thread? I'll look for it in a bit...

I also would have loved to have every one of the theme songs - in fact, that would probably be my number one wish for this one. Oh well.

Being able to pick it up for a fraction of this price we all paid? You are one smart MF.

So, six months or later from now, is it fair to those who buy this game on the secondary market, believing only 250 were made?

Stern said 500 and you guys are guessing/justifying less.

Fly, Pinside rumor, fly

I dont think you are, but you seem to think you are.

Stern doesnt care.

Buyers dont care.

Why do you care?

If a buyer isnt aware of how many were produced, even though its been advertised, how is that my fault. I think its fair to state 250 are available inbthe US, with the rest outside. Is that not a true statement?

If i didn't have the LE? Never know how things play out in the future. I've been mocked and laughed at MANY times for buying LE's over the years. GL and congrats Skink!

I'll admit hearing that same music, while i like it a lot, reminded me that i already have a Bond game.

Just speculating. I don’t see 500 customers for this product in this market with the competition of other more compelling/lower priced NIB games.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1745251339

The flow and shots look stellar

The orbits look super tasty

Digging it

Thats creative writing. A more accurate truth would be, 500 games worldwide.

It's too bad this game was tied to a license. It would have been much better if they just named it Star Gazer II and kept everything retro along with a sexy art package. -Zombie Yeti could even do an art package similar to what he did for Magic Girl. The layout/gameplay on this game is a 10, the other elements of the game are mediocre at best. I would also ditch the playfield screen in favor of a small apron screen or ditch the mechanical reels altogether and just do a standard LCD in the back like Beatles.

Why? Its a played out line that cringe lords overuse all the time.

All I know is MetLE was announced at 250 in the states, 250 overseas.

Personally, I think its a sales dud and they were trying to create FOMO by saying a majority were going overseas.

Pinball machines are sold internationally back and forth, are they not? So what's the point of splitting the total number?

and didnt change my mind after watching the stream, the pin seems a fun shooter without a doubt

It’s time for some good carguments that totally relate to pinball.

Let’s say you were in the market for a highest-price car. You start looking for Aston Martin DB5’s because you are a HUGE Bond fan and lifestyle brand. You quickly locate and buy a huo one locally for $600k and you feel good about your purchase. It was expensive but you love driving it. Life is great. This part of the story is like buying a highest-priced pin, JB60.

You join the DB5 owners forum and can’t believe you’ve found a community with thousands of enthusiasts. Some are selling their used car, some looking for a used car and there are new car sellers and buyers. Some of the car manufacturers chime in here, most don’t. Parts and after market mod makers are here as are purveyors of accessories. Garages, specialty stores and body-shops are all here. People owning a car industry make up the majority of voices. There’s haters here and burned customers but generally everybody is pretty neutral feeling about cars as a part of their life and not the meaning of life. Some super fans discuss one day driving a real batmobile or having recently seen a Mystery Van or Munster’s Hotrod. Car designers and industry names are here and links to podcasts and streams rain out like candy from the belly of a split piñata. Ethusiasts talk all about cars, but spending 90% of their time discussing pinball, sharing pet pics and other inane activities. This part of the story is like being on Pinside.

Now you learn there were OEM factory upgrades available and that there are some after market factory parts. There are also 3rd party products. You buy and install the important ones and get help installing some from the garage around the corner. After paying for parts, shipping and installation, you see the year-end total was $800k. You have spent a total of $1.4M customizing your car that the market values at an average $1.335M. Oh well, it is now one bad, mother and it weighs in as the most expensive car ever made by model year. Buying a super expensive toy or a merely offensively priced one plus so many mods until you’ve spent an insane amount for a car is what occurred. But really it wasn’t an investment but a purchase for a hobby. This fella likes to collect multiple cars. He keeps his cars together in the garage. He likes to wax and turn on the cars often and he drives one each day for pleasure. This part of the story sounds like every day pinball life.

To summarize all three carguments - if you think buying a a highest-price, JB60 pinball machine sounds out of this world, look at the DB5 enthusiast club (or any group worldwide) and you will see many parallels to our hobby / sport/ life of pinball. The old arguments that you can’t drive a pinball machine or play pinball with a car haven’t met DB5 and JB60. These two different objects are the same

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Ask Stern. Seems thats what they announced back then. In fact this press release specifially designates US and International allocations.

MELROSE PARK, IL – April 18, 2013 – Stern Pinball, Inc., the world’s leading maker of real pinball games and the AAMA 2012 Manufacturer of the Year, announces the availability of a second Premium model Metallica pinball machine. The initial release of Metallica pinball captured the attention of gamers and fans alike. Stern sold out of both the US and International allocations of its 500 Limited Edition (“LE”) games within an hour of each respective customer announcement.

That's a sales technique (manipulation) to promote FOMO and perceived rarity.

I would tend to agree, and I feel theyvwere doing to same last night, but that was a post METLE announcement, yet they still mention US and International. No need to create FOMO on something sold out.

Anyway! Back to Bond

This is backwards and a poor mindset - especially if you are assuming regardless of what the title is they are selling w/o issue.

It doesn't matter if they were making 500 or 10,000. The time needed to do all the engineering, sourcing, testing, design, etc is still there and still significant and unique. The time invested there, and the time spent getting it manufacturing ready is all overhead that has ALREADY BEEN DONE for other existing titles. There is no 'quick cash turnaround' - they still spent all that money and they have no problem getting cash for the alternate games they could have been producing.

Tying up manufacturing resources building this limited run game is only keeping those resources from building other games they can do with optimized margins because of economies of scale and re-use.

It's why their contract games are so expensive... low volume means high per unit overhead costs and opportunity cost vs building other stuff. Stern charges an extra 10k on this title, but the upside is fixed. The pricing is in part because of that 'hit' they expect to take producing a low volume product. Stern is able to do it because of their efficent switch-overs minimizes the manufacturing impact and they have the manpower scale to handle a 'side project' like this without stopping the rest of the ship.

Yea the blog went on to distinguish between Tier 1 sold out -> Distros, and Teir 2 sold out -> customers. Still happened and a faster pace than normal.

It doesn't mean anything. A big chunk of all games go overseas. This only comes up when someone wants to cut the scarcity of their rare item in half to make it feel more special. At least four of my local friends are getting a Bond 60th. 500 is a lot no matter how you slice it.

Please read Trybo69's comment directly about your post. They're creating FOMO to the end customers, and not sold out.