I would like to see that offer and raise you $5

…again assuming that dealers are worried about moving these right away. Not sure if this comes from any real conversations with dealers/distributors. They could weigh in but I think they probably left this thread long ago

It started with fire arguments until someone invented the wheel.

Smoke signals was their internet.

Easy; cars are the default first-world hobby. For uninteresting people, their only hobby. Most of us have one or at least ride in one near-daily. It's the most expensive thing many will ever own outside of a home. Most people, especially dudes, in the western world become a car person at some point. I mean, who would spend that kind of money without "doing the research?" I'd wager the majority of adolescent/teen boys have a dream car before a learner's permit.

We drool over their gizmos, bells & whistles, pretty paint jobs, but at its core it's just a large mechanical device with a simple job. We usually buy a larger, more expensive, flashy one than we need to get the job done, and just more of them than we need period. Sound familiar?

At today's pin prices I can't believe every argument isn't a cargument. Send me that grant money.

I think you nailed it Yancy. But keep it to yourself. I'm still trying to get that grant.

Perhaps this is big in the Amish community?

Or has the cargument somehow seeped into their culture? That would be crazy!

Pamco Contact is the Model T of bagatelles. Solenoids?!? Curse ye, devil.

A true test of this hypothesis would be to travel to the indigenous Asháninka people of South America. Never have they even had a common cold. Show them a wheel and build them an automobile. Give them a few driving lessons before departing. Come back in 5 years and spend the weekend there for a campout. Listen out for if they have started making carguments for explaining unfair situations. I’ll bet they do for it’s impossible not to. Carguments are in human dna and they make so much sense to compare.

"Imagine if someone sold a horse without any legs. That's exactly like J60th"

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No smoke. I'm testing manufacturers cough syrup directions

I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. You make sampling cough syrup sound delicious.

Some dealers have much more overhead than others.

From discussions, they don’t want to be sitting on a crap ton of inventory.

It’s not just Bond 60th. It’s all the other games that are coming out in 2023.

Used to be at cheaper pricing and less volume on the LEs they would have them all moved out day one.

Now, is Stern still going to expect dealers to take on all 1,000 LEs at $13k when the leverage has shifted over to the Buyers now who can just wait and see?

Stern also has a shitload more dealers today.

Yeah, it should be a concern and it is. Especially high overhead/financing operations.

In the past games were commonly in stock with the dealers. Prices have jumped to make that inventory expensive to hold and I don’t know if the dealers share has risen with it. All different kinds of dealers so your right, they may not all have the same tolerance to hold any inventory, they also may not be as active of sellers (I know of a rec room place that still has a Beatles Diamond NIB and they’re not discounting it). I don’t have any insight into the way their businesses run but I’d hope they thought it through when they asked to be distributor’s

Doing non-scientific research there were over 300 dealers and distributors world-wide listed on sterns site. If they were divided up equal (which they weren’t) that would be less than two each…

Yep....millions and millions of them out there, and widely accepted as the second most expensive acquisition in a person's life, behind a house.
Easy for many to chime in comparing to a luxury item (pinball machine).

Your “scuttlebutt” is more on point than @pinballaddicted. He can’t provide proof, because there is no evidence. It’s only rumors that he keeps perpetuating, because he’s a buyer and wants to believe the fantasy this extremely barren overpriced game is worth the price of many automobiles. It might be a sad day for anyone who pays these high robber prices, when they try to on sell the 60th. Just as RA77 stated about the 60th: ‘NIB prices over stepped a reasonable mark.“

As a good friend of mine from down there told me, Bond LE was an entirely different tale. Didn’t sell out straight away only because buyers were waiting to find out about the 60th. Once they heard the shocking price of an insane MSRP of $31,5k, they immediately paid for the prior shocker sticker price of $20,5k for Bond LE. Only because of that reason did Bond LE finally sell out. No one in their right mind was going to pay $11,000.00 more for the 60th, that has only a quarter value in it of the Bond LE. Let’s face facts here and stop the fantasy hype about what really happened in the market place. Ask any outside onlooker which game would/should sell for more and 100% of the time, they’ll choose Bond LE and always think Bond 60th would/should be in the Pro priced category.

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The F are you talking about? I love Rush, Godzilla, Rick & Morty, TNA and Jurassic Park and have been plenty vocal about it. I even stick up for fucking Ultraman. Did I forget to rate them? Sorry? Stalk me better, avoid the libel.

Lebowski gets a 1.0 due to Dutch Pinball’s lies and poor business practices. We’re coming up on 10 years of taking the first pre-orders, and many of those people still don’t have a game. Once all Early Achiever pre-orders are made whole, I’ll consider adjusting my rating.

In my humble opinion, that’s an odd way to rate a game though certainly your prerogative.

I wonder how you’d rate other games associated with crimes and assorted bad deeds - alien, ghostbusters, creature etc.

Or movies or paintings or music. I guess I’ve always focused my rating on the game itself, as the criteria of the rating suggest.

It’s my prerogative to make it personal since the company lied to my face & tried to keep my money. F ‘em. Goatf*ckers & Creech are terrible on their own merits.

In my humble opinion, it’s odd to dogpile my ratings when that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread. People get so thin skinned and resort to personal attacks when someone comments on the reality of overpriced games. If you’re confident with your purchase, you shouldn’t need constant validation.

Who is doing the code or lack there of ?

I passed on this game so I could bid on the jar of sand that was taken at the beach during Tom Brady’s retirement TikTok video.

JBSLE PINSIDE top 100 rating in year 2027

This game has received 12 approved Pinsider ratings. 18 more approved ratings are needed to get a rating and for it to be eligible for the Pinside Pinball Top 100 ranking.

I love the mental gymnastics in this thread to justify the price of this street level game. Keep it up. A fool and their money....

i swear to god if one more person calls it a street level game

I always wonder how “fools” would earn 20k for a toy.

How about "deluxe coil count ramp-less masterpiece"?

Seriously, it is 100% NOT a Street level game, by definition alone...

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The only people that say " A fool and their money.." are fools with no money.

Lol. Pot meet kettle. What a joke

Exactly. The concept of "street level" was mainly about lower price and simpler playfields with not a lot of mechanisms that operators would have to deal with.

Say what you will about Bond 60th but for a single level game Elwin managed to cram in a ton of stuff.

Maybe they inherited the money...

I know plenty of fools that spend more than that on toys and don't have two nickels to rub together.

Well I say it and I definitely have money and am definitely a certified fool. So you're half right I guess.

Or maybe they worked their asses off for it and relatively speaking it’s a drop in the bucket?

Def not geared to some Gen Z eating Ben & Jerry’s and Fruity Pebbles in their parents basement, playing video games all day and drinking Starbucks Lattes.

Or some other broke dick whiner trying to finance buying pinball machines. Sorry

Has anyone in this thread even attempted to ‘justify the price’ of this game? There have been a handful of those flexing that they have plenty of money to spend, but I can’t remember a single post where anyone has said this game is not overpriced… care to show an example?

I love the cry babies that do the mental gymnastics in this thread by saying indirect negative comments to make themselves feel good. A tool and no money…..

Well done..

Lmfao!!!

Never could understand why anybody cares what someone else does with their own $$$

Eggs are overpriced too

But, are we talking about GG eggs or E eggs?

Golden Goose eggs or Easter eggs?

George Gomez eggs or Elwin eggs?

All eggs are not hatched equally, you know. . .; >

As per always… the only people that ever use those two terms are the ones that actually fear dialogue and need safe-spaces, and use those terms to deflect in such a way to make sure no one notices it.

Well.. as expected, another sh show thread NOT about a pinball game. Smh

I swear on this site - its all at least half the people care about.

It is because they do not have any of their own money to care about.