Here we go… you wanted it - you got it. Our Elwin-designed Panacho-coded single-level ‘oddjob’ is on the verge of making it into our collective homes… and at this point we’ve just watched the DeadFlip stream.

So much anticipation, so many questions… shaken AND ALSO stirred?

One other initial comment - we all agree that this game was priced to increase its exclusivity and not because its inherent value dictated that price, so let’s agree to just minimize chatter about that now. Deal?

One question I did have after watching the stream was just how much time will be spent updating the code? They are obviously making a point of calling the release version 1.0, is that just to emphasize that all planned features are present and if so will they still be changing any details on the screen (adding animations, etc) or will they ONLY be doing bug-fixes?

Ha. Well, it appears I got the echo-chamber / safe-space I wanted…

But… now I’m so lonely…

Oh, the humanity.

Another human! Yes!

Who will win the race to get the pin first?

One thing that admittedly gave me pause, was after Elwin’s first game… it racked up dozens of IC achievements, and for the first time I wondered how much effort they would put into updating the code.

Ha. My birthday is in a couple weeks and was thinking the same thing.

I suspect you may be correct about that. That said… you shouldn’t have to wait too much longer now! Hoping the simplicity of the design and mechs also results in fewer (if any) fixes needed as well.

They are shipping however, so yes… they are built and being delivered (as per Gomez/Elwin on stream last night)

Nope. From the mods:

“So, owners threads can only be started once games are actually shipped.”

I think mirror blades would be sick on this one - I wish they came with them.

I sent a message to a mod a few weeks ago specifically asking when it would be appropriate to avoid exactly that.

I mean, we are gonna be sitting make crap up for a while yet before they arrive and we can harass each other for pics/details.

What aspects of it are you all most looking forward to or wondering about?

I am fairly certain Gomez said something about the cab being the same as Beatles.

I don’t remember them talking about the cross-over IC stuff actually… but could have missed it.

Loneliness is the same as any other emotion… not a real thing, but your mind playing tricks on you by dumping some chemicals to try and make you do things that fulfill your biological imperatives. It ‘goes away’ once your brain decides it made you do things it wanted you to.

I guess I feel like Pinside is whatever you want it to be… there are a bunch of people on here bringing in all their own ‘stuff’ as well, whether it is looking to blow off steam from the frustrations in life (work/family/personal failings/etc.), make friends, help people, educate people, or even just chat with like-minded people. I never cease to be amazed how I can actually login looking to just rile people up over things I don’t even care about, and actually get riled up myself. Cracks me up.

Also - Keith makes EVERYBODY look like a mediocre player!

I tend to agree with this… just would enjoy seeing some polish in the display and, as I said before, sort of dreaming but would live more songs.

So far anyway… I got so used to fighting about it it feels like I forgot how to chat normally.

Why do you think we need to? To you or anyone else? For how long and in how many threads do you feel we need to do this? Repeating the same things… to people that aren’t even buying one?

Was just rewatching the stream of it. There are 2 scoops: one on the left up at the top of the figure 8 and one on the right behind the inline drops… was trying to figure out how fast/much wear those would take and if they could use some of those carbon-fiber stickers or other type of protector?

Like I just mentioned, am rewatching the stream this morning… did I hear them say that the bonus multiplier lights will light up according to which sound package you choose at player start (chimes, etc.)?

Am wondering if I need to go buy a couple plastic sleds from Target to get the box down to my basement(walkout) door… stupid Minnesota winters.

One can hope. Guessing it won’t be long now before we all get those emails.

Also (somehow missed this on the first time I watched the stream) - game has a co-op mode? That should be interesting. (at around 1:35:00 ish)

I believe I have seen 3 pinsiders (including you and I) mention it, as well as Tilt Pinball Bar.

Sometimes I feel like I’m the only one here who just doesn’t care to have a real knocker on new free-play games in my house.

I’ve been known to get a bit chatty even when alone.

I think it looks great as well… suspect Stern has a big hit on their hands.

What if our B60ths get delayed now for the Foo Fighters pro run?

I don’t think any of us have gotten emails/calls about it domestically… who knows. I haven’t sent an email inquiring yet, any of you?

Oy. Ha… I suppose I should just laugh at that (because my tears at buying this one have already been fully used up!)

Still waiting on an email to Stern about status…

Regarding B60? Or you mean in regard to the previous ‘hard pass on FF’ discussion?

Okay… is this the part of the program where we plead with you to share any possible details you may have with us (as Stern is apparently unwilling to do)?

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I can’t say I disagree with this. I also can’t say I want to not be the OP of the club thread for this one.

<Quickly grabbing phone to check for missed voicemails> Awww, crap. Nothing.

That’s awesome! The race to first photo posted in here is on!

Ha. I will do my damnedest to try not to make you all miserable anyway?

Just noticed someone over in the hype thread saying they ‘got the call’ yesterday as well. The wait is nearly over… here’s to hoping I get that call soon myself.

Edit: just got a response from Stern “They are shipping out this week.”

One of the local pinball locations here in the Minneapolis area just posted this on their facebook page.

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Delivery scheduled: Monday afternoon.

Can’t wait to hear what people think of it!

Ha. That price is just absolutely stupid… ludicrous. Really hoping the WTF with the price also holds true for the gameplay (in a great way) as well. Otherwise we are all gonna be in here consoling each other with a whole lot more WTFs for the next few weeks / months.

Either way… we are a bunch of pinball fools around here.

And KirboTurbo wins the day for the thread! Congrats!

What’s up with the ‘rejects from the targets’? Drops just not going down?

Interesting. Curious if that will be the case with the rest of us this week as well. To be honest, not sure I can picture what it might add or not to gameplay… but if we paid for it, we need to get it… even if we end up moving it to a different game!

To me the photos on the flyer and site look exactly like those… and same as the Rush LE armor as well.

It is not a an issue in the slightest for me, as I like it on my Rush LE… I don’t even really know what ‘custom high gloss’ means if I am being honest.

I think we are getting a whole bunch of unique here… but to me sure looks like the same one as Rush LE.

I can add one… everybody let me know what you want it to be. For example, there’s only one version of it so should it just be something like:
(Option 1) I live in the US and bought one, (Option 2) I don’t live in the US and bought one

(Thats just one example of something I think we are all curious about)

Also…

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There’s just no way that would be the case… it was on the list of included items, so I am not concerned we will get them (whether they forgot to include them in all our shipments installed may be another question…)

I am going to have to disagree with you there… I really don’t think the value is going to go up from where it is at, and I also expect to see people trying to sell their games (at a profit) over the next few months. Just been around pinball people too long now to expect a ‘leopard to change its spots’.

Edit: hope that doesn’t come off as me being negative about this pin… it is more aimed at the character of many pinball buyers habits that I have observed the last few years

Dude. No shaker in mine either.

So… I put a couple dozen games in on it. Some observations:
- when that ball gets going it REALLY gets going
- both the MI6 and inline drops are bricking/rejecting a lot
- there is a lot of shot decisions from either flipper
- had one game after changing the sound to 1975 chime sounds where the reels didn’t turn the whole game (for either player 1 or 2), once game was over they started turning again and didn’t happen again (maybe bug?)
- shooter knob keeps falling off… also what a cheap piece of plasticky crap it is… huge opportunity for a mod done well with a really nice one. As stupid as it is, it actually made me mad how cheap it feels and looks
- the missing shaker still stupefies me
- I don’t think I will get sick of the music… so perfect
- Game is really bright / well-lit
- I think I’m in love… or at least lust

You should check… we’re 2 for 2 in the thread so far…

As another owner mentioned earlier, he called Stern and they are sending it. I will call them tomorrow.

Also… my number is #490 of 500.

Just to be clear… shaker IS to be included.

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Sure… and we all most likely agree on that one. That was definitely a miss on Stern’s part.

Exclusive Topper - probably just a misstep(?)

Shaker - When I mailed Stern regarding the missing shaker (which they are sending) I asked if they all shipped without them, as a couple had experienced this now, and they said they weren’t sure and my report was the first report they’d seen so far… whether this is merely the company line or not, I have no idea.

High Gloss - no idea. But as I said earlier, I like the matte and don’t know what they meant by it and what that was for… all of it, some of it… no clue. The pictures to me clearly show the matte black though.

Yep. Its weird. I mean - what if they don’t even have (or intend?) any shaker integration in the code for this one?

All that being said - everyone else should be getting theirs over the next couple weeks too, so we’ll see if it was a coincidence or not pretty quickly.

Mine was direct from Stern.

So, the number of my B60 was #490… and this is probably something I should already know, but how do they go about choosing the number of the pin they are assembling?

I know someone had mentioned that people can pay to request a specific number (who got 007?!) but once those are grabbed, do they start at #1 and go up? Do they start from the back? Do they drop the numbered plates in a bowl and draw them out randomly??

Also still wondering if they will make (have made?) all 500.

I agree that there does seem to be some value to that #007 for a Bond collector, and also that auctioning it off for charity would certainly be a good move for publicity by Stern (also makes for an interesting bit of trivia for us.)

Ha. Okay. I am also interested in hearing more owner thoughts and experiences and seeing more photos, etc; however, people will post them as they receive them and have the time and desire to do so. Do you have something to add to that conversation (delivery date, who you ordered from, etc.)?

In the absence of more posts about these things, I was curious about what the number of mine meant (if anything) about whether they did actually make all 500 of them… guessing the rest of us are also curious about that?

Was it FedEx that called you? And did they not say anything after you told them it was residential? They generally are calling to schedule actual delivery, so that is really odd to me… as they certainly do deliver to residential addresses.

Wow! Yeah, sorry about that as well.

I do think there is a SKU that they associate to the given number (e.g. #490/500), as I feel like I have seen correlations in either my serial number or something in interactions with Stern. So, I don’t think the plaques are just random with no record of which one is on which machine.

Agree though that there does appear to be some non-sequential builds, so there may be some other system that just randomly tells them which plaque to grab for the machine they are working on.

Was informed of another owner missing a shaker. Has anyone received their B60 yet and actually had a shaker installed?

Also - does anyone remember if shaker integration was discussed on the stream?

“This IPA is great… I… yeah… this IPA is grrrreat!”

FYI just got email that UPS is delivering the shaker tomorrow morning.

A couple of us have given some impressions (in this thread) Also… why don’t you go over to Tilt and play it yourself? Its very fun… and many people don’t have a location they can readily play it at. Guessing they are only charging .50 too.

I would highly recommend dumping some money in it. It plays fast and flowy, with the spinners being a highlight of those shots on the left… is nice and bright… the MI6 and inline drop targets on mine are super stiff and brick/reject… when I set the sound package to be chimes and with the way it looks, it kind of reminds me of being at the casino for some reason.

To be honest, this is probably the single aspect that I found the most annoying (as stupid as it is, and to be honest… totally not my sort of thing usually as I never buy mods that aren’t protectors or color DMDs). It would have cost them next to nothing to have some special but unique shooter knob created for this game, or at least made out of something other than cheap cheesy plastic and something that keeps coming unscrewed from the plunger rod. This single piece of ‘luxury’ on a game that cost what it did… if you look at the ones they charge a premium for (Jurassic Park, etc) there is simply no excuse for this game to not have a little something like that.

Anyway all, I promise to do my best to not go off about the shooter knob again in here… just really makes me shake my head. I feel like I bussed a table for a party of 30 all night and they left me with a $2 tip.

The dirty dozen. Ha.

When I set it up, we played the first game at 7 and because it played well I just left it. Though now I am curious how differently it might play at lower pitches.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at that… are you kidding me??

Local pinball establishment posted this today on facebook.

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It doesn’t sound like it to me… super odd. That being said, I did get mine delivered from UPS today so other than the absolute mystery of how it happened to begin with I am not overly annoyed about it (though also still wonder how a shaker could be integrated into this game and make sense, but will know soon I suppose!)

Very nice write up. Thank you!

I think it would be a great game to play for dollars with friends and could see it possibly being a good tournament game as well.

If anyone sees a mod for the shooter knob… PLEASE POST IT!!

I hear you. The only saving grace is I would think it would be an easy aftermarket mod to knock out of the park… just stupidity that they didn’t even try on it.

Thanks! Don’t think thats what I am looking for, but appreciate it.

You order from a distro or direct from Stern?

Admittedly, I have been in an almost miserable headspace about this game for weeks… not just on pinside either (e.g. insecurity about what friends are thinking, saying to each other about it, etc… really stupid shit like that). Grown-ass man and feeling like I am wondering how the other kids are looking at my new tennis-shoes on the playground or something… unbelievable.

All that being said, I am nearly at a point now where I can just be a bit more objective. Still get riled up about it, but now its less about my insecurity and closer to being about the hypocrisy of others when they see (and buy) their own expensive new toys and can’t seem to understand how they are now the ‘kids with those shiny new white tennis shoes’.

Can only speak for myself here, but I like “hanging out” with all you bastards and chatting about this stuff, even disagreeing. I don’t need an echo-chamber (what if I’m wrong about something? how do I improve / grow who I am? etc.)

Ha. I didn’t think I did either! Ah… life.

Finally! Winner!!

FFS, you think Stern has separate ‘dusting crews’ assigned to these pins as opposed to the rest of them? Mine wasn’t dusty… we heard one person had that (unfortunately). We have talked the shaker thing and cost thing to death already, haven’t we? Or is there some new aspect to this you are bringing up for us to revisit?

Edit: I see a couple others have mentioned dust as well, sorry.

Okay… this is a game I can get behind. True AND hilarious.

Though for $20k, they really should have scheduled Duran Duran to play in your basement while you were playing it.

Though for $20k, you’d have thought they’d also polish your knob…

FFS… now we have knob-gate too??

Ha. Well, its definitely the RIGHT type.

If you have nothing on there, it is very easy to scratch up the black paint when lifting the playfield up. Guessing in the absence of strong feelings (mirror, specific art, etc.) it was decided to at least keep that ugliness from occurring. I appreciate it for sure.

Still haven’t installed mine! Was actually debating whether to install it on my Jurassic Park instead… how’s the integration on JB60?

I think I remember Mark Penacho discussing that on the DeadFlip stream… from the adjustments menu I think? Anyone else done it or remember?

That’s a tough one for me honestly, because it really is such a hybrid of all the things I like about a bunch of different early solid-states but at the same time also really shoots like a new Stern. Feels like a copout to say, but Beatles is probably the closest single game to compare it with I think?

Really interested to hear what others would pick to compare it to.

Played it again last night with a friend (was a blast), but got me thinking about how I want to ‘protect’ it (Cliffies, mylar, etc.) The things I want to work up a plan for that I know of:
- shooter lane
- the wood around the two saucers
- is the display window gonna get scratched up??
- ???

What have you guys already done or are planning on doing? Any particular spots you feel need extra protection?

I can’t tell what this is. Could you post a link?

I am shocked.

You can generally assume at least 90% of my responses will fall in that category.

Very nice game. I think my best is around 20k right now… and it actually ‘felt’ like a good game too.

I wonder how DeadFlip did it for the reveal stream? Maybe we can get him to divulge the secret!

Also TomGWI (FoxCities) streamed it last night as well and the reels were visible, so there is a way for sure.

BriannaWu I would recommend a bit less passive-aggressiveness… suggesting someone else needs a ‘safe-space’ because they disagree with you or that their disagreement with you is somehow hostile when they have not actually exhibited such a thing is obtuse (at best).

There’s no reason people can’t have a discussion about things without being manipulative about it.

I do agree with SonOfaDiddly that based on what Elwin/Penacho/Gomez said in the reveal stream, there aren’t likely to be some major features added to the game. I also agree that it is (in comparison to many/most modern games) a fairly simple ruleset; however, that for me isn’t a negative… its damn refreshing.

Just my opinion.

While I am happy with a more simplistic ruleset and don’t want too much business on the playfield display (seems like it could be distracting)… I am curious as to ideas as to what could/should be changed on it from what it is right now.

Also, I would definitely not be opposed to more callouts and even less opposed to having a few of the movie theme songs. Sorry I know thats been beat to death, but it would be fantastic.

YWTF20K…

Alright, let’s just stick to the things that we say in here and avoid making generalities about any previous things anyone may have said here or there.

I think we are all “grown-ups” and can make up our own minds about things we agree or disagree with, and also discuss/argue about those things without lining up on the playground on one side or the other… agreed?

I actually have a rather ridiculous fear that I will fall ‘out of love’ with this game as quickly as I fell in.

And to be fair, I do want to make sure we voice the things that would improve the game (especially the low-hanging fruit issues/ideas) in the off-chance that someone at Stern does see them and they do have the desire and/or time to do so. Most of my time on it so far has been completely free of either frustration or ‘wish-it-were/had’ type things (other then that f&$*ing shooter knob) so those discussions ARE very interesting to me.