I like the map to get to Battle the Witch.

Zzzz....Zzzz...

Must of just played a game of BBH.

Great info and update....Keith said from day one the ruleset would be the deepest ever, "by far"....

Fourteen plus modes?

How many for TSPP?

I like his description of how scoring is overdone these days. Worst was mid-nineties with games like AFM. Hard to get under 200 million on that game.

I was there as well. It was great hearing Jack talk about WOZ and creating JJP. Thank you for posting the rules info! Wow, 14 modes!? Sounds like it will eventually have a very deep ruleset.

Lots of DMD games have this (instant info) but I love the idea of visuals like a map with arrows.

Explaining away the flipper problems as an issue with the plastic buttons and saying "if you're not happy with the flippers you can put another coil on there, but you're gonna smash a lot of stuff on your game" is great? Saying that fault lays with setups that aren't overseen by JJP, even though most of the complaints have come from people playing on machines shown by JJP at shows? Don't know if I'd call that great news.

I'm very happy that there is a confirmed score multiplier in the works, though!

Yes, it's a great idea. And it has been in every game since what, 1991?

we are all visual guys. that's why pins with big busted babes sell well.

The is really neat.. especially since the first part of WOZ movie is Sepia. I was thinking about his just recently after watching it on Easter. How the part when Doroty's house gets lighted up by the tornado. that was in Sepia. You know the rest i am sure.

-Joe

did jack bring up anything about the hobbit?

He did mention (at the presentation) that he's having a meeting this coming week to discuss design of the game. Also, I asked him about the impact of the 3rd film being delayed and if that will impact the machines release date. Jack told me they are still targeting summer 2014 and that a software update could incorporate assets from the 3rd film once its released.

That's just right now....and since Keith did Tspp I'm sure we won't be disappointed in the ruleset category, TSPP and LOTR

I don't understand what Jack was saying regarding the flippers?

He says something to the effect of "at one point in Keith's code, the end of stroke switches, came into play, when at one point they weren't in play, and then strength of coils came into play at one point when they weren't in play...so certain games get set up in certain places, if we're not there, we dont' know how the game is set up". He then goes on to say something about people at one location taking the game because they saw it hit the door.

This was in response to a question about the flipper strength.

Can someone tell me what he's saying? Doesn't make sense to me. Was the code not correctly implementing the EOSs?

I wouldn't say you would....and I thought I heard Jack or Keith at some point say there were 5 different multi balls, maybe that's part of the "more to come"

Thanks for the response.

Yeah, I'm sure you are correct about Jack being tired of addressing the question. That was pretty evident just in the way that he cut you off/interrupted you when you asked the question.

Not only is he tired of answering the question, but he just looked tired *period*. I'm sure he is under a lot of stress right now, wanting to get the pins made and shipping asap.

Even if it's not identical to past Bally/Williams games .. the strength is sufficient to me (IMHO).

Maybe its intentional.... I mean, for gosh sakes, you ARE hitting the ball with a slipper...

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He's saying they have EOS switches installed, but up to a certain code revision they weren't being used (so everything was purely software timing estimate, instead of knowing for sure when the flipper hit the end of stroke). And then they have the ability to adjust coil strength, but up to a certain code revision that wasn't possible (so it was set to some fixed strength which may or may not have been appropriate for a specific game).

And then with the prototypes, he has no way of knowing how they're being set up at each location by the operators, so if there's a game with flipper issues, it could be the result of something out of his control. The example given was an op removing the plastic monkey because it was hitting the "castle wall" (I suspect the door). I've seen it brush the door in exactly one video, but in all others there seems to be no issue, so it sounds like a quirk with a specific machine.

Thanks for the video uploads OP

Props to Matt, I like that dude.

WOZ is frustrating & exciting. Seems like his talk @ MPE was more of the same. Bummer

I can't wait to see videos from owners, that's what will help JJP more than any trade show pitch.

Bao

Keith talking about the rules at IAAPA

I know this is hotly debated, but these low scores just don't get my blood pumping. Glad to hear this.

Stay away from baseball, soccer, hockey, or EM and early SS pinball.

What's the difference between 2,000 and 20,000,00 in reference to scoring (save the cute 19,998,000 answer ).

I loved Jack's initial response to the low scoring.

Jack was a bit elusive about the flipper strength in recent software revisions. But he said the games that were at MPE are representative of what they will be when shipped (we will see). He seemed to be concerned about ball speed versus breaking playfield equipment.

As a guy that prefers EM's the Wizard of Oz has this great feel to it unlike most Sterns. The slower ball speed compared to Sterns is noted, and appreciated. WoZ is a great looking game. My wife loves it. JJP is very close to hitting the bullseye he intended to shoot for.

Excellent vid.....I think this pin is going to be phenomenal, when it finally gets here, the lcd, crystal ball, and the deep ruleset that can grow deeper over time with updates...the fun factor is going to be off the charts...I might put it right next to AC/DC and Lotr and just rotate plays!

Imagine how much better those sports would be if they used a score multiplier! The Rangers beat the Angels 7,000 to 4,000! Argentina defeats Spain 40,000,000 to 10,000,000!

Even football could be amp3d up: Dolphins over the Chiefs 35,000 to 14,000.

Yuck!...My NBA fastbreak is as fun as any pin to play and my kids get it, the scoring makes sense and is great....I think Jack has hit the target with the scoring....this pin isn't just for ordinary pinheads, its intended to appeal to the masses and that's what its getting closer to doing along with the theme, Lcd, and many other things...

I own other games, it would be nice to have a consistent scoring experience across them, so that it "feels" right. My other games are not EMs.

Looks like they've got a solution by making it an option. Problem solved.

Targets break in pinball when they choose to.

Or whenever you have a bunch of people over.

Its not only the extra zeros behind it.

But the sound should change too. When i hear "MILLIONS!!" I get more excited then when i hear "5 points!"

You got to get the feeling you did something fantastic and the award should sound and feel worthy.

In gameplay and score nothing changes much, bit the atmohspheer of the game is way better. Especially with the sounds.

If you hear "jackpot" and you get 10 dollar, you would think some one is busting your balls.

In my opninion a 100 million score should be a top score. Bit billions should be barely unreachable. 300 million max by the to players. That would suild my need for points the most.

I'm not Jack, but if I was I would set the score to the new precedent......ZILLIONS.

I would make a single switch score a Billion points. Hit ten pop bumpers TEN BILLION POINTS.
Then I would have Gilbert Godfrey scream into a microphone your score.

Don't you just hate it when you play an EM on 5 balls and barely get to 1000 points. What I hate worst of all playing an EM is no one is scream a score a me.

What I hate worst about playing an EM is that I'm playing an EM.

So you like the Gilbert Godfrey idea!

Is he the guy that did the troll voices on Rollercoaster Tycoon? If so that would be awesome .

You tell us, I haven't played two games of RCT but his voice is distinctive:

Fastbreak bombed on location and most people hated the scoring. Gomez has specifically pointed to this as being one of the game's major shortcomings in his seminars in recent years. He still thinks it was a cool idea, but admits that most people disliked it. I personally think it's kinda cool from a gimmick perspective, but I'm not surprised it fell flat on location and I could see the lower WOZ scores going over similarly with the public.

It's not one of those things that "should" matter, in theory, and for some reason it does!

Scoring adding 0,000 doesn't help, for all scores would becom 23510000 instead of scores like 23519870, which I like better (i.e. bumpers scoring only 10 points when not in a mode, or the 10-point-switches in games like Pinbot, Jackbot, Road Kings.... completely useless switches apart from sound).

Edit: Everything times 10 would help a bit, and would be better than everything times 1000000 or something like that. Having higher scores AND 10-points, would need some software changes, though that can be programmed in quite a short time I think(most things times 1000, only the 'small-scoring things' times 100 or times 10), but it still costs extra time.

Why do higher scores matter though? I really haven't heard a good reason. Only people saying they want it that way. Most games don't say millions, but instead say Jackpot or Super Jackpot. I prefer the lower scores and it will be nice to say 50,000 is a high score on a machine again.

I agree. The big numbers I don't like. It's like somebody is trying to make the game better by adding more numbers. It doesn't improve game play at all.
Waste of time and effort IMHO, but I recognize some people like it.

sven: you'll be happy to know that Oz has one_ point increments, which can become ten points with some handy multiplication

I played two of the three WoZs this weekend at MPE and the flippers were plenty strong. No issues hitting the ramp.