WOZ does look strange compared to other modern pinball machines. It doesn't look like the other modern pinball machines. It reminds me of my Twilight Zone which was from a time when pinball machines were loaded up with a lot of features, and mechanical toys. The large LCD automatically makes it look different then today's Stern's that still used small DMD's...Also, any game will look strange next to a modern Stern when it features unique side and head artwork on both sides of the cabinet

The "player doesn't look at the screen" argument is old and many players do look at the screen, whether it be a DMD or LCD. I look at the LCD on my WOZ often as the game allows the player brief moments to do so and those moments add to my enjoyment of the game. This same argument doesn't appear to apply to Stern games as they are still using outdated tech so some people need to defend the older tech by saying "ah who cares, you never look at the screen"...If Stern suddenly switches to an LCD (they appear to be) you will hear very little complaints.

I should use the same approach when buying a car. Who cares what the back seat looks like when I sit in the front? Who cares what the center console looks like as I don't look at while I'm driving. The DMD is old and Stern is now charging JJP prices for games that don't feature a comparable number of features yet charge the same price at the LE level. I do think that they offer a good amount of value at the pro level but they are overcharging so much for their LE's today.

Let's say they have sold 3500 games between WOZ and The Hobbit at an average price of $7500. That's $26,250,000 that went to JJP and not Stern. That's a serious competitor as Stern had the market all to themselves before JJP and the other smaller pinball companies.

Personally I think JJP should also make a $5k game that is a standard body but still uses their LCD display and platform. They are missing out on a huge part of the pinball market by not offering a game in that price range. Maybe offer one unique high end game in the $8k range and a different game in the $5k range at the same time.

"Rome wasn't built in a day". I'm sure there was a time when Stern wasn't cranking out 3-4 titles a year and selling them as well as they do today. JJP is still a relatively new business. It's going to take time for them to grow like any company.

I never said Stern was doing bad. They are doing well, very well from what it looks like. My point was that 3500 games sold by JJP is a lot of money that may have gone to Stern if they weren't around. A company is a competitor when its take potentially $26 million away from another company.

Also, JJP doesn't have to make a $5k machine if they don't want to. Is Ferrari a threat to Ford? Not really. Ferrari made a $363 million profit in 2013 while Ford posted a profit over $7 billion. Some people believe that JJP is not a success unless they are as profitable as Stern. That may never happen and it could be perfectly fine. Like Ferrari JJP has a smaller factory, lower operating costs and is making a higher end product then the competition.

"We the consumers..." You are not a JJP consumer. You are a JJP troll who has been banned and keeps creating new accounts to keep trolling against JJP. It's old. Just create a dedicated "Bash JJP Thread" and keep all of the trash talk in there.

Good idea. Let's prepare to ignore "CrazyMarshmallows and "CrazyPotatos" once his latest account is banned.

Great points. Some of Sterns best coded games are Keith Johnson games and some of their best sounding games are David Thiel games. JJP now has both and Ted Estes, who worked on TZ, working on The Hobbit. This game is going to be special when it comes out.

You can't say anything positive about JJP without some of the same old bashers giving it a thumbs down. Sad. It is hilarious though to see the same 3 or 4 giving people giving a thumbs down to a positive JJP post for over 2 years now.

Thankfully it's no where near the same level as it used to be. It just seems to brewing again. Like ya said though half of it is likely due to the "crazy" accounts, lol.

You can read my comments about KISS. I've said several times that the game looks cool but believe that at the LE level Stern is not including enough to justify the price tag. I've also praised Sterns pro model and just purchased a Metallica Pro LED myself. However, I haven't repeatedly posted rude jabbing / troll fishing comments in Stern threads unlike some have done against JJP for years on end.

Also, I've never told anyone that they paid too much for a Stern due to a toy issue... That would be rude. I praised KISS and said that Stern should include more at the LE level such as the topper and other add ons being marketed.

JJP did deliver with WOZ. They shipped all 1000 LEs and 1000 standards. The Hobbit would already be out had the redesign never occurred. Thankfully it was delayed and a lot of improvments have been made.

Hey, at least when The Hobbit does finally ship owners won't have to wait 3 years for complete code, lol.

I know it was a jab. It was intended to be as you and several others have been taking shots at JJP for over two years now. Annoying isn't it? Now imagine reading those types those comments for two years...That's what many JJP supporters have been dealing with here.

The hateful and rude comments became so bad that the mods created a WOZ thread where nothing rude could be said about the game. Similar threads for Stern haven't been created as JJP supporters are not going into those threads with their only intention being to stir the pot.

I have purchased two NIB Stern games in the past 3 years (including one about a month ago) and compliment them often so stop spreading lies about me. You on the other hand have nothing good to say about JJP. Its jabs, jabs, jabs.

Also, JJP was born out of hate for the other guys? Wow. Lol! There are other people in this world that want to build pinball machines and its not a requirement for them to work for Stern.

I don't want to argue anymore. While we disagree on pretty much anything JJP related I do appreciate reading / watching your other helpful posts and videos. There I said something nice damn it, lol