That's kinko's for you. Go to an online printer like shortrunpringingltd.com and you'll get it for like $20 shipped.

DUP

DUP 2

My original manuals for older games look just fine, I can read everything perfectly in them, especially the schematics.

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Is that double sided?? Or total pages?

Single pages. Also included pricing cards as well.

Thanks. So 190 double sided is not tooo bad...

To compare the AD DC manual is 158 single pages, no color, and appears to be a scan of a printed manual.

JJP's manual is rather amazing in quality. Frankly it a bit over the top to be honest - has major polish for sure.

I wouldn't know, never had to un-staple it from the cabinet!

Page 159 is the ramp dremel instructions j/k

I just checked the ramp modifications info and its been deleted. Dang!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/acdc-cannon-double-ball-load-fix-and-band-fix-for-premiumle

The Woz manual needs to be updated reminding the user to spray static guard in the cold months for proper operation. Yep, this stuff just writes itself.

And people pinched a fit when robin tried to take the edit power away from users... cases like the above are real and a detriment.

It was the best fix period! Some people put lame rubber shooter tips that did not work for long. Pinsiders are to dumb to realize a good fix when they see it . The guy that called it lame is not even on pinside anymore..LOL

I sure wish I was around two years ago to know what the f**k you guys are talking about...

Is that the best you got ?

People like Jim and Bryan... staples of the Hobby. I would believe them if they told me the sky was green and the grass blue rather than trust well...never mind In this hobby there are people who will sell you something worth while and other who will just SELL you first chance they get.

If anyone told me the sky was green and the grass blue, I would take a quick look outside and then turn around and tell 'em they were full of shit.

Trust, but verify.

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My grass is blue kentucky blue and with all the farting lately the sky is looking green.

"Historical Perspective" -- Vid, I think he just called you old!

If the main complaint with JJP is their manual- then I'm pretty sure it's time for Jack to bust open the champaign and celebrate.....

(Btw- felt the same way about the "furor" over coin mechs in MMr)

I agree, are we arguing/complaining over a manual!? Of all the things to hit JJP on the head over I wouldn't have thought it would be the manual. By industry standards it is incredible --- but it's just a manual.

Any chance you're still planning on posting D&B's for other pin companies (Stern, Heighway, Spooky, etc.)? Sorry in advance if you've already posted them somewhere else.

Butch close your ears......I'm pretty sure Goronic didn't mean "just" a manual it is an incredible piece of work!

I did this to mine and it took me all of 5 minutes. Easiest fix and most reliable way to not get the cannon jammed up.

Thanks Jim!!!

I getting bored...can someone post some boobs or even a noone?

Actually even he never called the fix itself lame. In fact, he called it a great fix! He just threw in some other crap about how the whole ramp should have been removed to do the fix to avoid dust from going in to the pin. I.e., he was being super anal.

It is very strange to me how there seems to be some kind of reputation for this fix as being ridiculous, funny, or not working. It was a great fix for the issue.

Anyway, I guess we have Alex to thank for the off topic discussion....

Completely ridiculous to pull the ramp for a 2 second fix. I guarantee you would do more damage to the pin by removing the ramp to avoid a little dust!

Pinsiders know best and that is why I yanked the info.. It was way over some peoples head !

It became know that I was some sort of hack with a Dremel from the WOZ crowd? F"ing classic.

The sure sign of a hack is a nice workshop with a Festool setup. Dead giveaway.

I can relate. I ran the one of the longest continually-operating BBSes in the United States, predating the USBBS list. Early Fidonet adopter. Early Internet adopter as well. (I was recently hired by Amazon.com to bust some patent infringement cases against them because their research team found I had the earliest prior art relating to online information systems) Although my first computer prior to messing with mainframes was a TRS-80. That you started with an Apple probably explains your attitude.. lol

If that was the case, you blew it into the wide open on a much larger forum, and after that it was publicly known. If you wanted to keep it secret, why post there? And if it was ok to post there because that was an insulated area of premier players, your decision to keep the details secret, even among IFPA tourney organizers, seemed a bit frustrating. I'm not sure how else it can be taken when you reveal there's a bug, but you won't go into details on it, right before there are various state championships where it's likely the game would be played. If anything, you motivated a ton of competitive players to try to figure out the bug.

I understand not wanting to reveal all the details. But at least you could have talked to tournament organizers. I used WOZ in our state championship (and I didn't want to take it out of the tourney - it's a great tourney game). Luckily nobody used the bug. But we were wary of something possibly going down because we didn't know how many people knew about it, and it was frustrating to be "out of the loop."

With all due respect, isn't "causing great harm" a bit dramatic? Anybody who could actually exploit that bug consistently would be an exceptionally high-level player that would not be a typical customer for an operator anyway, and could probably play indefinitely on most pinball machines. (Details on what I discovered relating to this issue: http://pinballhelp.com/woz-throne-room-bug-exposed/ )

Is there a variation of the bug that would allow an inexperienced player to rape the machine? That remains to be seen. From what I've gathered, you have to get ECMB going and then make a bunch of very specific shots and it's not easy to do. I don't see this bug being something operators really had to worry about.

Are you referring to me? Is it self-centered to go public with a bug that is known to be exploited in the wild for which there isn't a release yet available? Right before the IFPA championships?

You are a software guy. You've been around. Surely you know how this deal works? If there's a bug being actively exploited and either the people who need to know about how to protect against it aren't told, and/or it's being exploited in the wild, the smart move is to go public and level the playing field, and force a fix. That's what I did. That's what happened. Mission accomplished. I'm sorry it inconvenienced you, but it also inconvenienced me that I had to police tournaments because I wasn't worthy of knowing what was going on.

If you have some other reason Keith for requiring two extra sets of flippers to be continuously firing even when there's not a ball anywhere near them, I'd like to hear it.

I know you to be a smart guy, so your explanation for why you won't make that an option, does not seem to make sense to me. If your emphasis as you say, is on creating value for operators, then this is a NO BRAINER and as you know, operators don't give a flip about whether there's a "dirty pool" easter egg buried in the code. It has no bearing on their bottom line. But what does? A flipper that doesn't work because it's prematurely worn out because it fires when it's not needed.

I can't believe that you, me or anyone would need to create a petition to justify what seems to be such an obvious feature to the game.

Pascal Janin, unarguably one of the most brilliant engineers in the pinball industry, created an add-on board to fix this design oversight in TSPP http://www.flippp.fr/pisim.php?lg=en&flippp=orsala2168icrq3kf9t35s75k0

With the new hardware system, it seems to me this could be easily addressed. I had no idea we even needed to rally a group up to convince you this was an important thing to address. When third parties, especially renown pinball engineers are augmenting your designs, I thought that might make it obvious...

I don't really understand the business sense, sorry. I haven't seen a convincing argument yet but I value and welcome the chance to discuss this. I don't mean to harp on it, but I can't see where from a business or play perspective this is that complicated an issue. If it's just too hard for you to do, or you have better things to do with your time, that would be a better reason than what I've heard so far.

Lol I bet the up start bug in umk3 caused more of a headache than a low level pinball people hardly play outside of home or collectors. This is pinball in the 2k era not the 70s when it actually made money. People get big fat heads about pinball like it farking matters at all in the real world. Not exactly like its uncharted 4 or gears 4 or something. You act like someone found out to over ride launch data on a gtr and keep warranty. It's a fucking pinball machine who cares.

We've got to chat and reminisce sometime! I also ran a BBS that participated in Fidonet. I'm still in the list of them: http://bbslist.textfiles.com/336/

I remember that era well. Kathy Ireland images burned up my modem.

Woah.. time warp on that website. Screw who has the best LED kits.. who has the best AT string to optimize their USR??

Have you considered the possibility that maybe turning off the specific flippers is not possible via software? Or maybe there is no way to guarantee that the flippers will turn on only when the ball is on the upper playfields? Was the game designed with the proper hardware to allow for a 100% rock solid detection that a ball is absolutely on one of the upper playfields?

The solution that engineer provided for TSPP involved hardware. Keith cannot suddenly make new hardware appear.

Well, they have modes in the game where they can control the power of the flippers and disable the flipper hold, as well as reverse the right/left flipper buttons, I'm sure it can be done. I'm not discounting the possibility that there may be other technical issues, especially relating to keeping track of balls during multi-ball, but I would imagine as advanced as the system is, it can be done.

Most importantly, I am merely asking for the option to enable/disable the feature. So for people who like things the way they are, it shouldn't make a difference. Now if it requires a huge amount of programming work, that could be an argument, but from what I gather, I figure the system is very well written and quite modular and something like this could be done without too much work, but I don't know, but I haven't heard any arguments that indicated there were technical hurdles.

This issue reminds me of early Gottlieb and other EMs where when one pop bumper fired, they all fired because they were all chained together. The first time I worked on a game like that I thought there was something wrong with the game, but I guess it was done for design purposes, but it probably resulted in a lot more wear to certain parts.

Insert popcorn gif here!

Ugh. You put another quarter in him. He will never accept the answer is no. I'd buy him a rebuild kit if it would stop it, but it won't. He thinks he is right and Keith is wrong. The problem is that he is making it sound like a new argument.

I guess so? I really don't make much sense of that sentence...or question.....or statement? I am wishing JJP luck and skill, though.

Weird...I understood easily.

Big surprise. I am shocked.

Wait....who the heck is Bryan Kelly?

Bryan Kelly is a guy who really wants to see JJP succeed, for the sake of those who have prepaid. Bryan Kelly also thinks WOZ is an incredibly well made game. Bryan Kelly doesn't have anything against JJP, other than the way Jack does business and how he treats his employees and his vendors. And Jack knows EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Sigh. Every time someone goes back and clips their post, it bugs me. Whether they are a hero or a troll, it says that they can't even agree with what they said.

Having just played the one at Jenkinson's with a nearly dead upper-left flipper, I couldn't agree more here.

Also, it's pointless after your post has been quoted a few times. Might as well just leave it.

Unless you are making grammatical fixes for readability or updating wrong information, it is pointless.

I would love to hear how he treats them. What does he do or not do? I guess Charlie gave you the inside scoop at one time about some bad stuff going down. I can't say I don't believe it.