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I've been a long time Stern Pinball fan, but I'm done with them.


By jar155

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    #401 3 years ago

    It is sad to me how many obvious Stern employee accounts are now on pinside hiding under the guise of being just regular old pinheads.

    They block you from their social media, but then come infiltrate our community message board with alias names to try and down play issues, hype their brand, and provide fake leaks to test the market before moving forward on a theme. They think it is smart. I think it is downright shady.

    They need to be focusing on taking care of customers with defective games and learn what customer service is.

    #402 3 years ago

    I don't think it's a conspiracy. You have no proof of those accusations. Enjoy the hobby and buy where you feel comfortable.

    #403 3 years ago
    Quoted from Eskaybee:

    KISS code abandoned
    GOT code abandoned
    ST code abandoned
    XMEN code abandoned
    GB code (soon to be) abandoned
    2016 playfields disintegrating before owners' eyes.
    How many more red flags do you guys need before accepting sterns pinflation???

    You forgot the most important one.

    Wrestlemania.

    AC/DC too.

    #404 3 years ago

    Gary Stern I have a selfish request. Since business is good right now will you do an experiment for me? Have Gomez or Richie put a team together and create an original theme.

    Put out one model, have full control, save some or maybe a lot of overhead in licensing fees and dealing with studios, getting art and sound approvals etc. Price it a little lower than licensed pins (but still make a killing) and of course put it out with completed code.

    I understand why licensed themes keep the train on the tracks but think that you might be surprised by the interest, especially from players like me who like crazy stuff and love to see what artists and designers come up with.

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    #405 3 years ago

    NIB $5395? F*** off!

    #406 3 years ago

    Don't forget Tron code!! (maybe IM too?)

    I don't have a LE but I have read that they have call outs for double scoring, super pops and super spinners. ( I mean an actual callouts) the pro does not.

    Would it be so hard to put in three call outs into the pro? (I have heard they are already in the LE so they are recorded and coded they're just are not in the pro).

    I know some people have Lyman's ear and maybe could ask him about this?

    *My point* is Stern doesn't have any place for me to ask this question. I can send an email which will never get answered? I can post on Facebook which will get deleted.

    MY suggestion, is for Stern to have a suggestion box where our suggestions can be read and maybe acted on I think we may have some ideas or insight that may be overlooked by Stern who is looking at the Big Picture or the bottom line. Especially if it's a minor code issue like this.

    It's pointed out Stern is not a Megacorp like Microsoft or Ford. They are a few dozen skilled employees in one building. I'm sure it's easier for them to be nimble and make some minor but important changes that the customers are asking for.

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    #407 3 years ago
    Quoted from Underspin:

    Gary Stern I have a selfish request. Since business is good right now will you do an experiment for me? Have Gomez or Richie put a team together and create an original theme.

    Put out one model, have full control, save some or maybe a lot of overhead in licensing fees and dealing with studios, getting art and sound approvals etc. Price it a little lower than licensed pins (but still make a killing) and of course put it out with completed code.

    I understand why licensed themes keep the train on the tracks but think that you might be surprised by the interest, especially from players like me who like crazy stuff and love to see what artists and designers come up with

    Yes, because Dialed in got such praise when it was revealed. Also Stern striker extreme and High roller Casino did so well too.

    #408 3 years ago
    Quoted from toyotaboy:

    Yes, because Dialed in got such praise when it was revealed. Also Stern striker extreme and High roller Casino did so well too.

    Dialed in: Wrong company
    Striker Xtreme and High Roller Casino: Wrong decade

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    #409 3 years ago

    I agree. I have many Stern games but QC is crap. My Star Trek LE has dimples all over the play field. Stern told me that the playfeild had to season and they would go unnoticed. None of my Williams have this. Then I bought a premium Star Trek as we liked the theme a lot and it did the same thing but the decals came off in the box in shipping. Dealer got new decals and I installed them on a new game. Great fun! Playfeild still dimpled so I sold it and keeped my LE.

    Bought a Metallica LE. Bubbles in decals. Stern was not easy to deal with on it. My dealer got them and I installed and sold it.

    Bought the Metallica Pro. Issues with decals coming up on corners and major dimpling on play field. Had soldering issues on the coils. Fixed it and still have it as I like the game play.

    Bought a Game of Thrones LE. I had ghosting issues on playfeild in first week. This was the first game I began to notice something different on the clear coat. Stern did nothing. I sold the game at a big loss.

    Dealer said they had everything fixed so I tried one last time. I was lucky and got a GBLE (at least I thought.). It was a waiting game. My dealer kept giving my build date up so I could get the end of run GBLE. When the game came I would have sold NIB but there was no market for it without a hair cut. A friend and I added a playfeild protector from Germany right out of the box. This has protected the ghosting and ball dimples for now. We will see. I was done with Stern prior to a GBLE but it was always one more. GBLE is a very good game and fun to play. I hate they cheap it up by adding the switch on the box like their other recent games. They also got rid of the latch system on back box and latch on lock bar over the years. Do they not understand if you don't have long arms you can't turn on the game when in a game line up with switch on back box. I look at my GBLE compared to my other games and can't figure out what is special about it. I got a name plate, shaker motor, different Decals and green armour. I also got a mail in coupon for a free tee shirt. The decals aren't coming off or have bubbles so they fixed that issue. I inspected a SMVE in the store and it had major ghosting on playfeild.

    When I thought Stern could not get out of the hole they dug they do a Batman 66 and everyone lines up. Lots of luck as most likely all the issues will be present. Stern customer service is not great, quality low, game play is great right now but the price goes up. If they are removing features and price increases it is just more profit to them to service the cost of their new building.

    If you look at this game compared to my TSPP, Spider man or LOTR is is astonishing. They have screen print cabinets metal aprons and correct latches. The quality is better on the playfeild too. No dimpling except on TSPP.

    Batman 66 quality will most likely suck and prices would go down there just won't be any buyers for them. Once you get to 10k buyers get thin. It then becomes a 15k paper weight. As they say in TAF G-R-E-E-D got Stern. When LOTR came out all thought Stern would fail so many bought spare parts as the industry was tough. What may fold Stern is the class action lawsuit that will come unless they address these issues. That should be the new thread. People buying games for 8k plus will band together eventually as it is a defective product that they won't admit.

    #410 3 years ago
    Quoted from Underspin:

    Gary Stern I have a selfish request. Since business is good right now will you do an experiment for me? Have Gomez or Richie put a team together and create an original theme.
    Put out one model, have full control, save some or maybe a lot of overhead

    Hi this is gary stern,we will do this...specially for you.
    We always take on selfish requests from random people on forums.
    We saw the awesome reactions on dialed in and we look forward to selling 5 pins a year.

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    #411 3 years ago

    Dimples are normal and on every pin..... you just see them on newer pins bc its not been dimpled flat yet....metal ball and wood so something has to give.

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    #412 3 years ago

    Dimples on the PF

    Play your pins, have fun and enjoy them, if you get freaked out about PF dimples maybe it isn't for you

    Ideally, you play it so much you wear out the PF, then just buy another one and swap it out

    Wtf, ever seen an older pin with 50k plays on it?

    The whine meter is running at peak levels right now

    #413 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballrockstar:

    Hi this is gary stern,we will do this...specially for you.
    We always take on selfish requests from random people on forums.
    We saw the awesome reactions on dialed in and we look forward to selling 5 pins a year.

    Reactions aside, Dailed In is going to crush sterns releases. It has twice the features of any recent sterns. I thought it looked stupid when announced, when I played it I developed a very different opinion.

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    #414 3 years ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    Reactions aside, Dailed In is going to crush sterns releases. It has twice the features of any recent sterns. I thought it looked stupid when announced, when I played it I developed a very different opinion.

    I doubt it at those prices.

    #415 3 years ago
    Quoted from bigd1979:

    Dimples are normal and on every pin..... you just see them on newer pins bc its not been dimpled flat yet....metal ball and wood so something has to give.

    Let's stop discounting people's dimple complaint. It's true to some extent,
    but there are some Sterm playfields that dimple more than others. I had a STLE with a few dimples, nothing major though - but my friend's STLE playfield looked like it was made of soft clay...it was just lumpy and bumpy and pitted like crazy after only like 60 plays. My X-Men LE looked like it had craters all over. I have plenty of Sterns with no noticeable dimpling, or dimpling you can only see if you have a super bright light on it (like the backbox tube when you're updating code).

    #416 3 years ago

    My TWD = The Walking Dimple

    None of my other Sterns look like TWD

    I've had TSPP, FGY & LOTR for 5+ years. They aren't noticeably dimpled today nor when purchased or any time in between. Those 3 were all true low play HUO QC when acquired. What a great week that was!

    Maybe dimples will level out as promised? Time will tell. Its a non issue to me however when compared to current ghosting & chipping PF's + incomplete code on many games.

    #417 3 years ago
    Quoted from rubberducks:

    You forgot the most important one.
    Wrestlemania.
    AC/DC too.

    WOF

    #418 3 years ago
    Quoted from PW79:

    My TWD = The Walking Dimple
    None of my other Sterns look like TWD
    I've had TSPP, FGY & LOTR for 5+ years. They aren't noticeably dimpled today nor when purchased or any time in between. Those 3 were all true low play HUO QC when acquired. What a great week that was!
    Maybe dimples will level out as promised? Time will tell. Its a non issue to me however when compared to current ghosting & chipping PF's + incomplete code on many games.

    My AC/DC premium has never seen the sort of dimpling that Ghostbusters has. Same goes for my SM, Tron, Iron Man, or TSPP. My LOTR never dimpled so noticeably either. I think there was just a bad run of playfields that was full of soft wood or clearcoat. Hopefully that has passed.

    #419 3 years ago

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    #420 3 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    My AC/DC premium has never seen the sort of dimpling that Ghostbusters has. Same goes for my SM, Tron, Iron Man, or TSPP. My LOTR never dimpled so noticeably either. I think there was just a bad run of playfields that was full of soft wood or clearcoat. Hopefully that has passed.

    Yeah I know I posted something about Ghostbusters having dimples and was told "all have dimples!" I've never seen them to that extent on my other pens like Ghostbusters and I have five Sterns right now.

    #421 3 years ago

    Even though WOF is the poster child for unfinished code - what's there is certainly more complete and imaginative than many of the current titles. Even tho it's missing the Wizard Bonus and has a few other minor bugs, what's there is rock solid.

    #422 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    Even though WOF is the poster child for unfinished code - what's there is certainly more complete and imaginative than many of the current titles. Even tho it's missing the Wizard Bonus and has a few other minor bugs, what's there is rock solid.

    Which is good for me, because I love it and hopefully will own it some day.

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    #423 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    Even though WOF is the poster child for unfinished code - what's there is certainly more complete and imaginative than many of the current titles. Even tho it's missing the Wizard Bonus and has a few other minor bugs, what's there is rock solid.

    I'd say maybe ACDC is the poster child for unused inserts. Big and prominent above the flippers, the cannon inserts don't do a darn thing worth noticing. Long ago, someone made it a point to explain they did have some function, but it's so vague that nobody is going to care. ACDC might be the poster child for most useless mini playfield as well. If there's strategies involving that, they aren't exactly clear to the average player.

    Rob

    #424 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rob_G:

    It might be the poster child for most useless mini playfield as well.

    You're doing it wrong.

    #425 3 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    You're doing it wrong.

    Perhaps, but like I said, the strategies are not very clear for most players. And BIB still pisses me off with the 5 bank requirement to light the notes. It's the worst playing song in the game. If it's harder to light the notes, then the risk needs to be worth it and it isn't.

    Rob

    #426 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    Meanwhile, I'm going to spend my pin money on a lightly used Hobbit this weekend. IMO, that purchase will have more value than any new Stern. It'll be nice to get something basically new, with modern features, finished code,

    as a hobbit owner, it's a great game and Iove it. But I don't feel the code is finished. There's not even a final wizard mode yet. And if the code is finished, then it's a big disappointment in my opinion.

    #427 3 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    as a hobbit owner, it's a great game and Iove it. But I don't feel the coders finished. There's not even a final wizard mode yet.

    Isn't the code listed as final now? That's what Jack said at expo during the Dialed In presentation.

    Rob

    #428 3 years ago

    Keith told me at Expo that 1.90 was going to be final, but since then some bugs have surfaced plus he wants to add a few things to polish it up, I believe (this last bit is surmising by me). So I would expect one more release.

    #429 3 years ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    I doubt it at those prices.

    Quoted from iceman44:

    I doubt it at those prices.

    Why, there's lots of people like you that have already proven you pay more for a game.

    #430 3 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    as a hobbit owner, it's a great game and Iove it. But I don't feel the coders finished. There's not even a final wizard mode yet. And if the code is finished, then it's a big disappointment in my opinion.

    The final wizard mode is Battle of the Five Armies right? That seems hard as hell to get to, not even sure what could come after that.. the code is already pretty deep as it is.

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    #431 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rob_G:

    I'd say maybe ACDC is the poster child for unused inserts. Big and prominent above the flippers, the cannon inserts don't do a darn thing worth noticing. Long ago, someone made it a point to explain they did have some function, but it's so vague that nobody is going to care. ACDC might be the poster child for most useless mini playfield as well. If there's strategies involving that, they aren't exactly clear to the average player.
    Rob

    If you're complaining about ACDC's code, there must be no joy in your life. A few inserts that don't mean much isn't a big deal in a game that rich with variety and fun. Lyman probably went on a tangent from Steve's original intentions...and it turned into a masterpiece. I will always welcome more updates, but if ACDC is baked....I'm fine with that.

    #432 3 years ago
    Quoted from kpg:

    The final wizard mode is Battle of the Five Armies right? That seems hard as hell to get to, not even sure what could come after that.. the code is already pretty deep as it is.

    That is the third mini wizard mode and can be achieved without doing much else than getting to arkanstone 3 times. I have done that on earlier releases when there was only 1 arkanstone mode. If that's all there is then I will probably have to sell hobbit soon as I will have seen it all. Getting to battle of the 5 armies is nothing like getting to valinor. A wizard mode that puts everything together is expected from a Keith game and a lot of why I bought hobbit earlier on.

    #433 3 years ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    If you're complaining about ACDC's code, there must be no joy in your life.

    I know you're not shy about hyperbole, but this reaches new heights.

    Perhaps I'm naive, but I don't understand why a pinball machine would be shipped without completed code. I would think that finished code would be just as integral to the machine as a finished playfield. They wouldn't release a game where they'll ship the ramps to you six months after you buy it, so why ship a game out with half assed code?

    As much as I love The Hobbit, I'm boggled as to why there would be a "Battle of Five Armies" insert but no Battle of Five Armies mode when the game first shipped. Just as boggling as to why there would be these Cannon Fodder, Cannon Volley and Cannon Chaos inserts on a game that doesn't have any code for them! Why not just remove them? Or maybe use it to let the player know how far they have to go until they can load the Cannon.

    It doesn't make sense to me.

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    #434 3 years ago

    Because the manufacturer needs to make money. They source the money from the vendor, home owner and collector. It's easy to put out
    an incomplete product to take your money while they move on with other projects and keep the assembly line working to take more of
    your money. It's really very simple. Bait the customer with a beautiful looking machine, take their money and deliver a playable game. Keep
    doing this to take people's money. As for finishing the game, it's unnecessary. Why? Cause they just stole your money and they have no
    obligation to the game any longer. If they choose to finish it they will. If not, oh well.

    #435 3 years ago

    Damn, that's a really jaded way of looking at things. I hope you're not right;sadly, you probably are.

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    #436 3 years ago
    Quoted from Cornelius:

    Damn, that's a really jaded way of looking at things. I hope you're not right;sadly, you probably are.

    Actually, I'd say you're the one that's jaded. My wife and I just finished playing ACDC for the past couple hours. I've owned the game for over two years and it still rocks. I don't think a better game exists.
    I'm sorry you can't appreciate it.

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    #437 3 years ago

    This is the thread for when I bought my NIB Metallica and the back box stickers were peeling. Stern sent me new ones that were off in size and had imperfections (holes). I would expect that they would send me the stickers that they originally used, not misfits that did not pass inspection (if they even inspected them). That said, how would people feel if their $15,000 Batman SLE had peeling stickers and they sent mis-sized imperfect stickers as replacements? I assume you would crap. I know personally of a collector that was sent a Metallica premium with a bad board along with a incorrectly assembled snake jaw. Another one that was sent a Metallica pro without a sparky, how could that go unnoticed during inspection? Also, a friend with a GB LE with the famous ghosting and insert issues. Bottom line is that no other business would thrive with these quality issues but us as collectors/operators/vendors and distributors we accept it. As far as I am concerned the safest way to buy a stern pinball is on the secondary market when the code is mature and it can be inspected. This way you see what you are getting and don't have to sweat code updates. I do enjoy my Stern pinballs but would never entertain buying a NIB again.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/metallica-pinball-back-box-stickers

    #438 3 years ago
    Quoted from Chambahz:

    Actually, I'd say you're the one that's jaded. My wife and I just finished playing ACDC for the past couple hours. I've owned the game for over two years and it still rocks. I don't think a better game exists.
    I'm sorry you can't appreciate it.

    Hmmm... games I've rated, here on Pinside... let's see... oh, I gave it a 10, that's right.

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    #439 3 years ago
    Quoted from jkashani:

    This is the thread for when I bought my NIB Metallica and the back box stickers were peeling. Stern sent me new ones that were off in size and had imperfections (holes). I would expect that they would send me the stickers that they originally used, not misfits that did not pass inspection (if they even inspected them). That said, how would people feel if their $15,000 Batman SLE had peeling stickers and they sent mis-sized imperfect stickers as replacements? I assume you would crap. I know personally of a collector that was sent a Metallica premium with a bad board along with a incorrectly assembled snake jaw. Another one that was sent a Metallica pro without a sparky, how could that go unnoticed during inspection? Also, a friend with a GB LE with the famous ghosting and insert issues. Bottom line is that no other business would thrive with these quality issues but us as collectors/operators/vendors and distributors we accept it. As far as I am concerned the safest way to buy a stern pinball is on the secondary market when the code is mature and it can be inspected. This way you see what you are getting and don't have to sweat code updates. I do enjoy my Stern pinballs but would never entertain buying a NIB again.
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/metallica-pinball-back-box-stickers

    Agreed and I refuse to accept their bullshit any longer.

    #440 3 years ago
    Quoted from Cornelius:

    Perhaps I'm naive, but I don't understand why a pinball machine would be shipped without completed code.

    Well, software is easy to update and relatively free to distribute.

    On the cynical side, it is because the manufacturers can get away with it.

    On the practical side, the software has gotten increasingly more complex and drawing a line in the sand that says the code is 'shippable' vs 'good enough' vs 'perfect' is difficult (as a saying goes, 'good' today is better than 'perfect' tomorrow), but made easier to err on the side of ship early because the software is easy to update.

    I am fine with early code, but the problem I have with it is that it becomes easy then for the manufacturer to walk away, AND there's often no clear direction on what the manufacturer is planning to do. That's where the cynicism comes in... as the consumer, you either hold out hope they will support it with future updates, or vote with your wallet and not purchase until the code is at whatever you consider an acceptable minimal bar.

    Edit: I agree, though, having inserts on the game with no code/etc DOES seem to push that a bit far. I don't own TH, but is that true? Inserts that have no actual code support? Wow.

    #441 3 years ago
    Quoted from bhwolf:

    having inserts on the game with no code/etc DOES seem to push that a bit far. I don't own TH, but is that true? Inserts that have no actual code support? Wow.

    In the latest update there is support for it! I just think it's wild that it was shipped in an incomplete state.

    #442 3 years ago
    Quoted from Cornelius:

    Perhaps I'm naive, but I don't understand why a pinball machine would be shipped without completed code.

    This is pretty much how every device you have works.

    Also, in a manufacturing business you aren't making money unless widgets are going out the doors.

    #443 3 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    This is pretty much how every device you have works.
    Also, in a manufacturing business you aren't making money unless widgets are going out the doors.

    Respectfully, if I buy a TV, and it has a button that says "input", but that feature is coming soon... I'd buy a different TV.

    #444 3 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    This is pretty much how every device you have works.
    Also, in a manufacturing business you aren't making money unless widgets are going out the doors.

    Good point. In todays information age where everything has an internet connection no manufacture has an incentive to release anything with fully complete code.... and for the most part that's a good thing since they can keep consumers happy by adding new features and also saving on product re-releases or redesigns since a product can be kept relevant longer with fresh software.

    Things in my house that I can think of which get updates from the internet:
    - My Phone
    - The Universal Remote
    - Thermostat
    - TV
    - Blue Ray Player
    - My Apple TV
    - Nexus Player
    - Computers
    - My Printer
    - The Car

    #445 3 years ago
    Quoted from Cornelius:

    Respectfully, if I buy a TV, and it has a button that says "input", but that feature is coming soon... I'd buy a different TV.

    The comparison is flawed. A pinball machine with non working insert lights or modes not yet implemented doesn't prevent you from using the machine.

    Also, a lot of people do choose to wait until the code is fleshed out before buying a Stern. Why can't both kind of buyers exist? If people want to buy games thinking that the code will get future love, who cares?

    #446 3 years ago

    I don't CARE, it's their decision! I just don't understand why a pinball manufacturer would put out an incomplete product, other than "because they can".

    I couldn't update Legend of Zelda on my NES, and it was rad.

    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    The comparison is flawed. A pinball machine with non working insert lights or modes not yet implemented doesn't prevent you from using the machine.

    The TV works too! I can only have one device plugged in at a time right now, though. The update will open up the other inputs.

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    #447 3 years ago

    If you have been around pinball for a long time then these code conversations seem so familiar. They should. It was so big a topic about Williams pinballs that when I read this thread I am filled with deja' vu . One of the games where everyone felt the code was awful to the point of being debilitating was Demolition Man. A guy named James Cardona picked up the gauntlet and spent over 1000 hours writing code for DM. The end result was a code rewrite, enhancement , and huge additions. I think you can still get Demolition Time ROM ware. Shortly after people had a peek at Demolition Time, it was declared "incomplete". I then heard there was a group adding more hours to making it more complete. It is the seduction of art. You have to be careful or the sublime runs into just plain crazy. This pinball history moment was bought to you by the "OLD PINBALL DUDE." You can now return to your current banter.

    #448 3 years ago
    Quoted from PinballAlley:

    If you have been around pinball for a long time then these code conversations seem so familiar. They should. It was so big a topic about Williams pinballs that when I read this thread I am filled with deja' vu . One of the games where everyone felt the code was awful to the point of being debilitating was Demolition Man. A guy named James Cardona picked up the gauntlet and spent over 1000 hours writing code for DM. The end result was a code rewrite, enhancement , and huge additions. I think you can still get Demolition Time ROM ware. Shortly after people had a peek at Demolition Time, it was declared "incomplete". I then heard there was a group adding more hours to making it more complete. It is the seduction of art. You have to be careful or the sublime runs into just plain crazy. This pinball history moment was bought to you by the "OLD PINBALL DUDE." You can now return to your current banter.

    While i appreciate his work on demo time the original code was much better and a hell of alot less bugs .....

    #449 3 years ago
    Quoted from Cornelius:

    Hmmm... games I've rated, here on Pinside... let's see... oh, I gave it a 10, that's right.

    I'm glad to see you also can appreciate ACDC.

    Funny comment you wrote about WoZ though:

    My one issue with the game, and I don't know if this is the fault of the manufacturer or the operator, but the ones I've played in the wild have all seemed to have issues, whether it be all the lights on the playfield turning off for an entire game, or the whole damn thing rebooting in the middle of a game. I don't know if it's just my bad luck or not, so I'm not going to hold it against the machine.

    #450 3 years ago

    I'll tell you what's worse then the pinball code debacle, is the video game industry. It's complete bullshit now. Developers release a pretty half-ass "complete" game for $59.99 and literally 3 weeks later they release a $24.99 "expansion pack" and other downloadable content. Example Forza Horizon 3 on Xbox One... it barely comes with any cars, and they make you buy "car packs" for $4.99 and have more expansion packs ready to go. These bastards literally had all this content programmed at the same time the game was released, but they withhold it to sell it to you later.

    The day the pinball industry starts doing this is the day I vow to never buy a new game again. Imagine if Stern released some basic code then charged you for more wizard modes and features? They may actually be experimenting with this with the cross the beams parts originally planned for GB but later decided against it. Don't get me started with the $400 Colorization SOFTWARE upgrade for MMr too. That's total BS.

    At the end of the day, all we can hope for is Stern does what's right and continues to finish the games as much as possible. With the current crap code for GB with glitches, bugs, freezes, missing modes etc. you are taking a big risk buying any new release NIB at this point, since Stern's new biz model is to crank out new titles as fast as possible and overwork their current coding staff. I don't care how great they are, if you put too much shit on their plate it will be impossible to keep putting out quality work.

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