China is an amazing country! I agree buy local but i have no problem supporting China! I visit there 2-4 times a year

I was just telling someone this the other day - I ordered 85 32x32 LED panels (at 1/3 the price from Adafruit/Amazon), and it was here in TWO days. Faster than Amazon Prime. Amazing, but I won't do it again.

That said, look up the working conditions and the factories there. It makes it a LOT easier not to buy from there. But here's the thing - the big companies buy and re-sell at an enormous mark-up. All they are doing is making it "easier" to get the stuff. Except I have a harder time finding stuff on Amazon nowadays because they sell SO MUCH STUFF.

So ... what do you do? it all comes from there anyway.

Wonder what prevents Chinese automobiles from entering the US market. I'm sure they would be cheap.

Mostly our safety and emission regulations.

PRC to AUS is fairly simple route compared to delivering in AUS as we are scarcely populated and have a HUUUUUGE country to deal with. I think Aus Post does pretty well really. Also depends on what freight terms.

Wonder what prevents US automobiles from being sold in China?

Remember. Even if you are buying from local shops, Walmart etc. You are still supporting China. Next to nothing is actually manufactured 100% in the U.S or Canada anymore.

Assembled in North America. But parts made in China.

Tariffs. You could buy a cheap car from China. But with the tariffs/ duty and shipping it would cost more than buying a car in North America. Gov way of keeping the auto industry alive.

China just lowered tariffs on European cars BMW and Tesla's going into China.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-autos-tariffs/china-to-cut-tariffs-for-cars-auto-parts-from-july-1-idUSKCN1IN0UW

Buick builds and sells cars in China. They sell more Buicks there than in the USA.

?huh?
once it reaches Australia, there is still the local infrastructure to deal with

some companies have better infrastructure than others
DHL is the worst

There is a video out there that shows a Geely or Chery, failing a US crash test. Car hits the barrier then fully stops, many seconds later an airbag goes off.
Thinking that a Chinese car company selling cars in North America, will be a low cost vehicle, with a warranty, just to help sell them. But waiting, in the wings is Tata.

The Buick envision is manufactured in China by GM and is sold in the USA at Buick dealerships. Sad when you have to buy a toyota or honda to "buy" american.

In regards to pinball, iv'e been told Marcos uses usa vendors to produce alot of their repro parts. Coin doors have been made in taiwan for years....

Harley-Davidson even sources parts from outside of the US. So, they should really say their bikes are "assembled" in America....

This is sad, most of there repro stuff sucks
in
matching size and colors.

I wonder why China doesn’t build airplanes? Because even the locals would not fly them.

Why do they only show a couple dozen Hollywood movies there per year? Because their government (like they do with every other industry) severely limits outside products as a way to support Chinese business. (They steal them all anyway and can be purchased for nearly nothing in DVD stores all over (again just like they do with all IP))

It can be hard not to buy from China -- but that did not happen overnight.
Given the option, would you buy a lower cost Chinese item or a pricier locally sourced item? I am guilty of both -- my visits to Harbor Freight (aka the Chinese Tool Store in our house) are one example.

Low labor costs, lack or regulations, and underpricing goods over years/decades has allowed China to flood the world with its stuff while at the same time diminishing the output/demand for domestic products.

We often go for the quick win and save several dollars with the Chinese purchase but are losing the long game by outsourcing our manufacturing jobs/economy to them. Over a long enough period of time domestic competition is minimal so it does indeed become hard not to buy from China.

So the reason GM kept Buick and dissolved Pontiac is because of Buick’s sales numbers in China. Everyone in China wants to drive a Buick!.. sadly, I miss my pontiacs.... Take it from the former autoworker, Michigander in the group

They make them there because they actually sell them there. Nobody buys them here... if they did then they would be made here. I live 45 mins north of the old Buick City site. My grandmother worked there.. it was the biggest manufacturing complex I’ve ever seen.. and now it’s a parking lot.

Not many could afford a US car unless it was sold for $100.00

Did you ignore what I said or not read it? Sales numbers disagree with your statement. Many are poor yes, but we need to get over this naritive that they all are... Because they are the largest growing market across the board.

That said, these tariffs aren’t going to help us. They are not the solution. indeed, it is pretty hard Not to buy from China.. in a lot of cases there aren’t American alternates anymore.

China's 2019 emission standards exceed the USA ones.

This year China forbid the manufacturer of 500 different auto models that did not meet the 2018 standard.

By contrast, the US is going to start allowing more pollution from it's cars.

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060077379

Lot's of USA brand cars are built and sold in China.

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Exactly, fords cut production of cars in the US with the exception being the mustang, and some little tiny thing.. Why? Because Americans aren’t buying them. The thing is, the auto manufacturers need the gas efficient cars in thier fleet to lower the emission standard of the fleet... this is likely why trump is rolling back emissions...Rather, resetting them on the original path. According to Vw they plan to no longer produce vehicles with internal combustion engines by 2030 I believe. I would imagine other manufacturers are on the same path? Good for China tho, their rivers are so polluted I’m surprised they havent started on fire yet... like ours did.

Once tried to get a lot of MSD - WHIMIS sheets from a chemical company in Houston. They sent them by DHL to me in Leduc Alberta. 4 weeks later the package arrives. On the front it was stamped, 'Poland'. Some one at DHL saw our company name and figured that Odessa was where it was going to go to.

It’s about time (if true, what the standard is vs reality) but there is no US city where you’d be tempted to walk atound with a mask on your face all day.

My sister works for Daimler and lives in Beijing. The place smells like urine, the little-kids wear “split pants” and their parents allow them to deficate in the middle of the sidewalk, they eat bugs and dogs, they sell turtles hanging on ropes at every big intersection, the state tells the landlords when heat can come on and what days you can drive that new car - there is tons of poverty but there is an exploding middle-class that are buying cars like crazy.

And you’d think it’d be like Europe with tons of small cars (since the traffic is bananas) but they all drive big US and European cars. Daimler and BMW can’t stock them fast enough. There is TONS of new wealth and it’s all on the backs of other countries.

Last year, tons of people were wearing masks in the Bay Area.

Constant forest fires, Smog and whatnot make Cali's air oftentimes more polluted than Beijing.

In 2017 China CANCELLED over 100 coal power plants that had already begun construction.

China is making serious inroads against pollution.

The US is relaxing pollution laws....

And that 'little' methane leak in LA. Hey did they ever plug that thing up?

By US Automobiles, I mean those built in the United States. Basically the reverse of Chinese made shoes and junk tools that are made in China and sold in the United States

I see lots of big USA made SUVs in China (and some German ones too), but the little Ford and BMW cars are made in China itself.

You don't see too many Japanese cars in China, because the Chinese remember how badly they were abused and outright murdered by the Japanese in WWII.

Ahhh, no. I work in the Bay Area and have never seen a person with a mask on. Maybe where the huge forest fires were happening up north. There are a few days a year when we have a "spare the air" day but usually when it is really hot with high pressure which is common here, not to mention we are in a valley with winds coming from the west and mountains to the east. Our most smoggy day is still far better than super polluted China. Don't believe the fake news you see on TV, LA on the other hand is a bit worse.

DHL has always been good for me and as the OP showed it got from point of origin to final destination in four days using them.

Most of our interstate domestic parcels on the other hand sit in their point of origin State based distribution centres/sorting facilites before being moved to the point of destination State distribution centre. If it had been ordered within Australia it would have been held up in Chullora or Granville for at least that time period.

Been seeing more Chinese produce and food at the grocery store lately. (mandarins, prawns, shrimp, etc)

The wife and I refuse to buy food product from China. Google their shrimp farms and you'll be sick...

on halloween look at the wrappers and stay away from candy manufactured in china. dont buy that crap its unsafe for kids to eat.

not china, but remind me this :

Will Harbor Freight soon have a "food" section in their stores?