Old flipper mechs are flogged out giving you a longer stroke. The bracket bends, the plunger and coil stop mushroom and this gives you a longer stroke usually with the impression that you can aim and catch better.

People are comparing a 20 year old flogged out mech to a 3 or 4 year old newer version. Also my experience tells me that a lot of flipper mechs are not assembled proplery in their machine. On top of that, the remakes have a different flipper controll system. The flippers would definitely feel different.

If you bend the brackets you will have to re align the flipper bats. Also remember that the remakes have the CGC menu and you can adjust the flipper strength.

Crap. The part numbers for the new games are the same as the part numbers for all the old games. Base plates, plungers, coil stops, coils, etc, etc.

Please smoke some more weed. I wish I could but my employer will not let me.

you bought a used game.... any one could have stuffed around with it before you bought it. All our remakes are fine.

If the games were mine, I would have pulled the mechs out of the original and put them in the remake. See how that goes. I then would have taken them all apart and measured all the different parts to see where the difference is. Get some answers.

Out of interest how many flipper base plates did you change out? You can also buy different branded flipper stops that are different thicknesses so no... you have not done your research correctly. This alone greatly affects the stroke length.

I worked out a long time ago that the difference is in the base plates and plunger stops. I did exactly what I thought you could do. I pulled all the original mechs out and measured them against the new mechs. I also noticed that the old base plates were bent and the old rubber stops had shrunk. Flogged out plungers and coil stops also give you a longer stroke. You never gave the remake a chance, it is your money do what you like with it. I also notice you make no mention of replacing the flipper bushing. That affects the stroke too. Flogged out, longer stroke.

Believe what you like, I am an engineer that just loves the hobby and have loved it a long time.

Amazing I say, amazing. You cannot even read what I said. Must be good weed!

Keep smoking and keep stroking! Lets see what else you can come up with.

Exactly!

Agree! I would love to catch up and have a beer with you one day..

I never said any games play the same. Buy or play whatever game makes you happy.

It is as simple as this:

Years ago someone bent the base plate to give the flipper extra travel. It is really easy to do, I have tried it myself. Most people that rebuild flippers do not change the base plate.

Then you get:

"I have been in the hobby for 30 years and rebuilt 100s of flippers. The old games have more stroke than the new games. I know what I am talking about because I am an expert"

Part numbers are the same. If you go to PPS website to buy new flipper mechs, all the parts listed are for original and genuine games. Same parts same part numbers.

Years ago I swapped out complete flipper assemblys on a HS2. Sure as shit, I noticed straight away that the flipper travel on the new mech was less than the old one. I thought I bought the wrong stuff. Pulled everything apart looking for the difference. I rang the guy I bought the game from to see if he could help out... His response was "I bent the base plate bracket that has the rubber stop in it to give more flipper travel. we all do it, you should try it too."