Quoted from boagman:I know one woman who owns an original WMS AFM and would never part with it unless you tore it out of her cold, dead Canadian hands. She has the exact same feelings I do: they play like crap, because they play absolutely *wrong*. I would *love* to have a perfect Medieval Madness from a new run...but it would have to PLAY RIGHT, and these DO NOT. And, apparently, due to the emulation factor, they never will.
That's sad. I want so badly to love these things...but I don't. I doubt that I ever can, barring major OS changes.
Wrong as in the timing / feeling is different or the angle that the flippers go up is different ?
There are several discussions here and my feeling is that people mix up things.
There's the feeling of how powerful the coil is and how fast it reacts - that's measuring the delay in milliseconds, how powerful the coil is (the throw and hold), how the end of stroke switch works, ..
In the other thread the delay has been measured - but imo that's not everything - what coil is used, how much current it received (pulsed or not, ..) will also matter. So even if MMr now uses the same type of coil and millisecond delay - because they can set the power in different levels means they somehow pulse the signal which may result in a weaker or slower reacting coil ?
There's also a discussion about the flipper angle and what is original.
Searching RGP for flipper travel and flipper angle reveals some similar discussions in the past:
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.pinball/c/l7rsAnbiE6c/m/AVu47bPNfgwJ
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.pinball/c/_2I3vcvwBj0/m/cuZwe2U8BA4J
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.pinball/c/12DSZzZ3YF8/m/SDAnCGdgQlsJ
Here are lists about all parts involved - but unfortunately none really measure the flipper angle, only note that it changed.
http://www.pinpointelec.com/flipper-parts.html
http://www.pinballnews.com/learn/flippers/index.html
What I learn from this is that it parts changed and it seems the flipper travel / angle decreased, some people state it there.
Also that many wrong rebuild kits exist and were used in the past.
When people now say they they don't like how MMr plays, maybe can't compare to the original MM.
Probably MMr/AFMr flippers have the original throw like AFM/MM had.
But pinball players are just used to the to the older style of WPC games (TAF / TZ era) and like that style of flippers more, and now it feels wrong, just WPC95 flippers felt wrong 25 years ago..
Or they're used to even playing original MM's that have been rebuilt using incorrect parts - because most players preferred the larger throw.
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