YES, bribo! We all have our machines! It's great!! Quick...get yours now!

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there seems to be an inside joke prevelant in this thread that I'm not in on...

as far as I can see, the guy asked a question about the release of WOZ, then proceeded to get gangbanged for being a troll. I am not familiar w the OP.

would anyone like to shed some light on this for me?

-jon

You'll have to read the whole thing to get the gist.You missed a step in your synopsis.

From this thread ( http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/woz-playfield-pics-1/page/2 ) two months ago Bribo said
"How many of us will still be Alive to play this machine When / if they ship ? is there a New shipping date ???
JMO but nothing could live up to the unrealistic hype and expectations that this machine has created.
There is no where but Down for this machine to go. to much hype. maybe I am wrong ?
Not likely."

By the way, I guess we should go to "much hype", wherever that is

Gotcha, thanks.

Makes more sense now.

There is no inside joke here.

The guy asked a question that he obviously already knew the answer to given his previous posts. Given the nature of the topic and that he already knew the answer it appears that his real intent was a back handed slap to JJP for not having WoZ in the hands of customers yet.

In other words, it appears that he was just trolling for a reaction from people rather than actually posing a sincere yet ignorant question that would easily be answered in about 3 seconds

>>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jersey+jack+pinball

I don't even know why the guy would even care knowing that his collection is a bunch of dinosaurs.

There is a guy in MI that won an ECLE at the pinball show that only has games from the 70's.

I'm not sure if that's the same guy or why he would continually post the same thing, but that could be why a guy would care with a collection full of dinos.

I think you mean boy's hole

Probably a little late to jump on Predator regardless.

If you are getting something so expensive for free essentially, you are not going to be a dick about it unless you have a douchebag personality.

Also, when is Predator going to actually be built and shipped?

I was absolutely willing to give Bribo the benefit of the doubt, but given his past comment concerning WOZ, it's hard to view this thread as anything but stirring the pot.

I wouldn't be unhappy if this thread was closed.....just sayin'

They were talking about October but I personally think first quarter next year. Who knows tho. Haven't seen anything since the white wood beta in april

+1 on that DC....

As for Predator, probably never.....but is a great theme nonetheless.....

Take a peek at the love fest over on the Predator thread...the smartest thing SkitB ever did was not ask for a dime up front!.....can you imagine what that thread would look like if people had to put up even a hundred bucks, the poor guy would be ripped to shreds....

Why never?

I've played it, I've seen the video animations and scoring. They have been at many shows with game in tow.

They said "next year" for production, so they are not even late yet.

The best part about those guys is that they did not steal anybody's money.

They did not ask for a single penny from me. You just sign up and when the game is completed and ready THEN you fork over your cash.

Because I think it ain't happening. As in never. I hope it does but I believe it when they start asking for money. Let's see how patient people are then.

Welcome to Pinside Frank. Not sure it's a better place because of that tho...

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You seem upset we aren't whining like the WoZ guys. SkitB could take another two years. At least theyre here and talking to the fans.

Who had any money stolen, or who stole it ?

LTG

Communication is not a problem for the WOZ preorderers. JJP have communicated plenty and still are. Let's see how much communication SkitB give if and when they get to a similar stage of development as WOZ is now...

Man you took the thought right out of my brain

In some ways they are ahead of WOZ.

Their video display works, has animations, scoring, everything.

Many people have played the game at major shows, during beta testing. Their different modes are fun. Color changes to set mood is very cool too.

I know they said that the playfield artwork and toys are going to be a surprise, but other than that mystery, they have an almost completed game.

Who stole anyone's money?

Well, you like wizard of oz. I like predator. We could argue speculation all day but its Friday and I've gotta date with the bottle.

Blah Blah Blah

Is SkitB (why that name???) independently wealthy, or does he have a deep-pockets backer? (I don't know the answer to this.) Because he'll need one. It's pretty easy to build one or two prototypes. To produce a pin in quantity is a whole 'nutha ballgame. LOTS of money is needed up front to place orders and pay vendors up front--they are not going to produce new tooling, buy raw materials, produce lots of parts, etc. all on credit for a fledgling and unproven company. Everything from playfield cutting/printing to cabinets and audio components and processor/power boards to lighting and displays and every little socket and switch and bracket and toy has to be set up and produced by somebody. And from what I've seen, it makes no economic sense to produce small groups of pins--if you're going to make a few hundred or more, best to do them all at once. Vendors prefer "one run and done" to a bunch of incremental orders for custom stuff.

Again, I have no clue about the Predator business plan (if there is one) but JJP's makes total sense to me. Without an infrastructure in place and a previous game to help fund the next one, the money has to come from somewhere--up front.

What I meant to say but was too lazy to go into the detail.......

If JJ is having trouble sourcing some parts and broken promises from suppliers what do you think is going to happen in this case with zero up front money?.......Hey, I hope it works out but I seriously doubt it unless they are independently wealthy and just don't care about the money

Nobody is whining or bitching right now because you haven't put up a dime......and its for good reason....like I said, let's see what happens when the money starts flowing....I love the theme though, much better than WOZ....but that's it....

Aren't you in (or part of the team even?) on BHZA? Are those guys independently wealthy or have deep pockets?

Please advise.

I'm just helping with some side issues. The point being discussed/made is that startups like JJP and JPOP can get things going and spec/order components using the pre-order money. STern can use their operating capital and recent sales to buy parts for their next game. (And it's a *lot* of money if you add up the total component/processing costs per machine.) What I was wondering is how SkitB is gonna come up with this cash (easily in the neighborhood of $1M+ for several hundred games) to order parts for production?

Both those guys have serious cash, have you seen the shoes they wear?

July 2018

what tooling? using existing williams componets, PROC system, ramps are vacuum formed (not exactly tooled). Raw materials, yes. 500 pieces is a LOT of upfront cost. Either they are getting a short term loan, or vendors have agreed to a 90-day grace period before payment (better build fast).

Vacuum-formed ramps need the ramp forms. Are they using leftover stock playfields too, or does someone have to set up *their* exact pattern with hols/recesses for all inserts, mounting hardware, etc. Any custom toys? Not a single custom ballguide or bracket in the entire game? I doubt that.... Plus, setting up the artwork to print everything (cab decals, pf's, plastics, translites) isn't cheap either.

I wouldn't want to be stuck with a 90-day grace period for something as complex as a pinball machine. Unless they plan on collecting some downpayments later in the game, when they're ready to start placing the major orders for parts. That should work too.

They already have the ramp forms done.

They had a CNC shop run their playfields.

The "set up" is a CNC file. A cutting list, if you will, that is made from a CAD drawing. Already done.

This is how a CNC router cuts the playfields:

cool!

That's pretty cool. Didn't Gary Stern used to say that he had the only press that was needed to make playfields? (Or something like that...)

The press Gary is talking about is like a bed of nails - it's used to dimple the playfield for alignment of small wood screws. It's faster than a CNC for that purpose, but for holes that tiny, a CNC router can dimple a playfield in less than a minute.

Yep, I would think they ought to be able to make a play field with today's technology if they can create actual tissue with inkjet printer technology...

It will be interesting to see how it plays out....a great theme....so its 1/2 down when they start the machine and the other 1/2 when it ships? Have they got a firm price yet?

Well, I guess this is back on-topic, as I've seen comments that WOZ is using some print-to-wood technology for some of their components (cabinets for sure, not sure about playfields).

Playfield and cabinet will be printed and clear coted both in the same way. Direct print on wood.

He continues to say to this day that you can't build pinballs without one. It's kind of sad, really.

Looks like the OP never responded to the past quotation.

Noteworthy.

Hahaha....I guess times are a changing...poor Gary...what century is he living in?

I got my WOZ a couple days ago. The power cuts of intermittently and the it gives me shocks when the ball drains. It smells like an vintage clothing store and only has three legs. I LOVE IT!!

LOL. The best thing about going out of town for a few days is coming back and catching up on threads like this one! Hilarious stuff!

This makes no sense, or logic.
I guess you have not ordered one then.

Please get this bloody game out there so there are no more threads about it.
I am well and truly over everything woz related and am absolutely astounded it has caused this much hype.

I think he means when Wayne will finally have MM repro done.