(Topic ID: 189988)

Isolating Switch Matrix Short

By Cheddar

6 years ago



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#1 6 years ago

I have a Williams Sorcerer System 9 that keeps blowing Q9 on switch column 3. This contains the pop bumpers so it's obvious 1 of them is returning solenoid voltage to the switch column. After replacing the 2N3904 it tests perfect with a switch tester.

I could disconnect power to each pop and then reconnect until I identify the culprit but that seems wasteful. I tried attaching a test lead to the green orange wire and manipulating the spoon and switch to see if I got continuity to any to the tabs on the spoon switch. No luck.

I'm going to try attaching the dmm on VDC to the green orange wire and ground and then trigger the pop and see if the voltage goes high. Of course I'll disconnect the switch columns from the mpu to so this.

Any other tips to try and find the problem without the trial and error?

#2 6 years ago

If you have a direct short to the selenoid voltage, use a DMM on ohms continuity and measure from solenoid V+ to the column wire. Find the midpoint switch of the column and disconnect one side of the switch. Test each side again, upon discovering the shorted side, find the midpoint again and repeat the process as many times as needed to locate the short. This process is called "divide and conquer".

#3 6 years ago

What a great tip. With 8 switches in the column I should be able to find it in 3 disconnects.

I'll give it a try!

#4 6 years ago

Probably would have worked but no direct short. I have disconnected the column from the 3 pops to eliminate or identify them. My idea about testing the switch for coil voltage did not work either

#5 6 years ago
Quoted from Cheddar:

Probably would have worked but no direct short. I have disconnected the column from the 3 pops to eliminate or identify them. My idea about testing the switch for coil voltage did not work either

It's most likely then that one of the pop scoring switches is shorting to the pops activation switch then. Probably missing the insulation paper or nylon grommet (I'm assuming Sorcerer pops use a stacked switch)
Take the switch stacks apart and examine those.

#6 6 years ago
Quoted from wayout440:

It's most likely then that one of the pop scoring switches is shorting to the pops activation switch then. Probably missing the insulation paper or nylon grommet (I'm assuming Sorcerer pops use a stacked switch)
Take the switch stacks apart and examine those.

My vote is on nylon grommet

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