Never say never.

I'm sure Stern will get this all sorted out eventually. It's undeniably a horrible mess right now, though.

I guess we should start getting mantis or cliffy's for outholes now too... wonder if the plastic aprons are part of that shift. Too much rebound. We certainly get more lazarus balls with them.

All the New LE still has metal aprons and still have this issue.

I sent Cliff an email earlier today to see if he has any interest in designing a protector for the outhole. Waiting to hear back.

so how many of you lemon edition getting 2 balls ? mine does it very often, can anybody tell me if they had this issue and a fix? i have to say this is the worst 8k i ever spent in my life!! i think i am gonna take a hit and put it up for sale soon.

Probably better off waiting and going through "the program" to get more of a return

I actually emailed Cliffy about this for my Met Pro about 2 months ago and he replied saying he was working on it because he needed it for his own metallica too.

Apparently figuring out how to make it mount with the ball trough there was complicating things.

Surprised there hasn't been a hitler video yet

reseat the connector on the trough optos fixed it on my metallica .

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/hey-stern-are-you-serious?tq&tu=rotordave#post-3278665

I got a response back from Cliff, and it pretty much echoes exactly what he told you. He is working on the protector. It's just a matter of finding the time to scan the playfields and come up with a good solution.

I have bought a lot of Cliff's products. Great guy. But for the drain hole? Its not normally visible. I just put two or three mylar squares around the edges and seems to work great.

Piece of drop dead foam should prevent the ball kickbacks under the apron.

i will try this and report back. thanks.

Mylar and foam is what im going do. Cheap and easy. I normally wouldn't care but the recent issues seem to warrant it.

Thin self adhesive felt for me. Easy and cheap. Pull it up later if you want

Yeah, what I ended up doing as well.

so my two ball issue was repaired I reseated the plug for optic as recommended. now my scolerri targets were acting up. I had to adjust the 2 drop targets by using the 2 screws under the coil and bending the bracket under the plastic target towards the playfield a little.

Cliff is a great guy!

Where do you get this felt?

My GoT pro which I bought last november. The top of the Targaryen insert just started to show a little bit of ghosting a few months ago. I don't know if the insert sank or it was just never level in the first place. The way the clear looks on the edge I assume it's always been like this.

Rob

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My GoTLE is showing a similar tiny amount of ghosting, no sunken inserts thou.

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Can't help wondering if a lot of these issues are caused by change in temperature and humidity exposure between clear coats.
I'm no painter. but I imagine temperature and humidity fluctutation's would play a big part.
1.How long the playfield sits after the last clear coat before the game starts assembly. You would like to think at least 2 weeks but who knows?
2. Are the Playfields supported fully during and after clear coating (.IE not sitting on 2 trestles)?

3. Are they under a temperature & humidity controlled environment?

You can afford to cut corners on just about everything on a Pinball Machine during manufacture EXCEPT the Playfield. I can't believe Stern would be silly enough to skimp on the only thing you can't afford to. Can you imagine how much it would cost them on a warranty claim to replace a playfield....OMFG.

Today 3rd insert (light extra ball) started ghosting and the clear on the shooter lane is cracking, 300 games played...not happy

Yeah my clear is chipped in shooter lane started noticing chipping in the center drain hole area now going to have to take more pics to send to distro

Add me to list. Sold my 3 other used pins to purchase this guy. #359/500 and less than 30 plays. One site with ghosting and the insert is already recessed in with palpable ridge. Even bought the topper and side art inserts (aka a lot of money here). Such a shame to negatively impact an otherwise awesome game (when the ball stays on the field). Was really expecting better here. Hope this gets fixed but from the sounds of it nothing is really moving forward.

Wow.......smfh! Sorry to hear this dude.

What's is the playfiled date ?

Hobby lobby. $1 a sheet

Keeps your ball eject area nice and protected as well

Do you have a pic of how you placed it in your lane?

Had this a lot too on my Metallica, found out that the switch in the shooter lane was not adjusted properly, when the ball was launched from the through in the shooter lane the switch got activated for a second but then when the ball lies there, the switch was not activated anymore, so it launched another ball in there. After re-adjusting the switch it never happened again.

Sorry just got back from business trip. Aug 12 2016 is the date stamped on the end of the playfield

Good info here

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-there-any-problem-free-gbles-out-there#post-3355127

This is from another thread
Quoted from oldpinguy

OLDPINGUY

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Quoted from Hdmike444:
Who here has le's? If so what numbers and how is the ghosting?
It appears out of maybe 400 or so LEs shipped, by thread posts that about 50 or so LEs have serious playfield issues, with another 50 having 1-3 faint white lines at the edge, likely not enough for Stern to replace.
On Pros, as the first ones were released, only a handful.
So Somewhere between 50-100 issues, 25 or so extremely serious, 25 definete should be replaced, and another 50 that has minor, wouldnt notice unless you look close with game off.
Spiderman, GOT, has some too, but I havent watched those numbers.
These are my opinion only from posters and threads, and does not reflect the Poll or any numbers that can be substantiated.
I have seen only a couple new complaints, but Stern also hasnt been shipping out the Pile of Premiums and Pros owed to Distributors and Customers....so they are working on it, Im sure, and likely some head scratching, as how do you tell, when it leaves packed in a box, with no issues? Other than leaving it on the floor for 30 days, to see if changes for them.....

Yeah I assume something will happen. I believe Stern are good folks with good intentions to set things right. They are probably still scratching theirs heads on how to find/fix this problem. This problem also affects a small number of games I would assume. My frustration stems from costs, as I assume mosts do. If you spent 10K on a new car the dealership would bend over backwards to fix things under warranty. I contacted stern and they got back to me but nothing else yet. I will keep you guys posted. I love this game though, I have every intention of keeping it, hopefully with a fix.

Wrong, I'm afraid.

The problem is systematic, and I don't know why you believe they have good intentions or want to make things right when they knew this cheapening would have such results.

They're using cheap, soft, un-aged wood and don't appear to be allowing adequate drying and hardening time for the clear either. That and a host of other issues.

They're doing this because it's cheap and increases their margins. They're not going to go back to a much more expensive product which they previously used (which still would have been much cheaper than what's in JJP, HW and DP machines). So the problem isn't going to be fixed. There might be ways of making it less horrific, or the consequences appear less quickly, but it can't be 'fixed' without reverting to a more expensive product.

Nonsense. It cost them way more money to have to ship out new playfields than what they save. They will fix it 100%. They have to fix it to survive. It will not just be "less horrific".

You're a well known Stern basher. Time to give it a rest.

LOL.

You jump in to defend the indefensible on their part at every opportunity.

I criticise the patently indefensible. I don't hate Stern per se - else I probably wouldn't have a Luci or ST Premium - but what they're doing at the moment is appalling, and that people are allowing them to get away with it is even worse.

They were supposedly working on a fix when production was mostly halted for nearly a month, resulting in their highest production month in 10 years in August, yet 2-3 months later they're still shipping games in exactly the same state.

The cause is due to what I specified. If you believe that they go back to using a higher quality of materials, you're living in dream land. Have they gone back on ANY of their other cost saving measures, despite frequent outcries? The answer is a resounding no.

I said they would fix the problem 100%. You're making assumptions on the higher quality vs lower quality material.

We haven't seen the Premium runs yet, so you're being presumptuous.

Like I said, time to give it a rest. You continually regurgitate bile and negativity towards Stern, and it's just a broken record at this point.

I'm not making any assumptions about the wood. It's a fact. That's why the wood is very visibly different, that's why the durability is so low. It is an assumption regarding their clearcoating ... but an educated one.

So they're going to go back to better quality PFs for Premiums, replace all the LE PFs, and let the Pros continue with the current archetype?

Do you believe what you're typing? Not worth even talking to you.

I said they would fix the problem 100%, so that ghosting isn't an issue again. You keep putting other words in my mouth.

It is completely worthless speaking with you.

Now, where is that ignore button? Ah....there it is!

Cheerio, Gov'ner!

We have a pro here on route with 1500++ on it . I unboxed it with the owner and it is perfect not one problem , a small chip in shooter lane that's it . It's been on route 4 months

GBLE #404 Ghosting on insert. Playfield date 8/16/16

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So mine is the same spot but larger and that corner is recessed. I also noticed that there are little dents (round) probably where air balls smack the field. Just seems that the clear is softer than it should be and that corner/insert is probably something they need to figure out. Clearly it won't fair well if I have ~30 plays and it's happening. Talked to stern about it?

There is a pro here in richmond at one of the bars. Don't know anything about date or how long it's been routed but it's got ghosting on I'd say 3-4 inserts.

It's just crazy to me that August build date games have issues still. Those games were built well after Stern was fully aware of widespread problems, and they still built them and sent them out anyway. Either they're planning on being very strict about what they replace, or they've put their heads in the sand regarding how big the problem is and are just hoping that it'll magically fix itself.

The next firmware update will have a ghosting note to explain that it's "as designed." Worked for Game of Thrones orbit mess, right?

Gb pro delivered yesterday, no ghosting, some crazing

Wow all these issues stink, for sure.

I have 1 tiny corner on 1 insert, but don't consider that a big deal.

This is normal on every machine ever made. DIMPLES ARE NORMAL