Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:playfield & manufacture dates?
Playfield june 20.
June 27 build date
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:playfield & manufacture dates?
Playfield june 20.
June 27 build date
Quoted from iceman44:Gotcha, my bad. Weird how that Tobin insert seems to be giving a lot of people problems. Same thing happened to me right after playing the first dozen or so games.
Because its so tiny?
I suspect its a common place that airballs land and some playfields have an issue with how well the inserts are glued in.
Quoted from EricHadley:I suspect its a common place that airballs land and some playfields have an issue with how well the inserts are glued in.
Bingo, likely the spot where ball lands from the scoop.
Quoted from GravitaR:Bingo, likely the spot where ball lands from the scoop.
True, but the balls land all over the place on this pin. Violent air balls. I'll look closely at the scoop eject landing. Had to power it down a bit as it was going sdtm.
Hmmm, after powering down maybe its not hammering Tobin anymore, still has the other one right next to it.
Quoted from hoby1:Would adding additional adhesive on a NIB game stop these inserts from doing this or will it happen anyway.
It will happen anyway..the inserts are not moving, the clear is not adhering properly.
It's interesting, my playfield is dated 7/25, doesn't have a printed sticker nor a stamped date, just a hand written date on the edge. Different manufactures? Yours looks like what I am used to with the sticker and stamped date, I've never seen one like mine. I think yours came from CGC/Churchhill and maybe mine is in-house stern? FYI I've had mine 2 weeks and 300+ plays other than a lot of dimples (which is pretty normal) the playfield is perfect so far.
Quoted from JoeJet:It will happen anyway..the inserts are not moving, the clear is not adhering properly.
My worst ghosted insert is definitely sunken down in some right at the ghosting area.. You can see and feel it. Rest of my inserts dont feel like it.
if you've found a difference in the play fields and it turns out the Stern in house ones are good I hope Stern gets that other manufacturer to cover the costs of the replacement program. That would help the process for sure if they didn't have to lay out more dollars.
Quoted from flashinstinct:Current polls values
GB with playfield issues 55.5%
SMVE with playfield issues 68.75%
GOT with playfield issues 38.71%
Want more accuracy in this poll....then vote. While I get that this poll is conducted on a pinball fanatics' forum..these numbers are worrisome.
If you want accuracy, do not conduct an Internet poll.
Quoted from pezpunk:If you want accuracy, do not conduct an Internet poll.
O.K. Everyone with ghosted inserts raise your hand!
who here has little holes in front of the flippers i have seen it in some pictures and not sure why they are there?
Quoted from Flato:who here has little holes in front of the flippers i have seen it in some pictures and not sure why they are there?
Those holes are supposed to be there to align your flipper bats. The tip should point directly at the hole.
Quoted from Phbooms:My worst ghosted insert is definitely sunken down in some right at the ghosting area.. You can see and feel it. Rest of my inserts dont feel like it.
Put a straight edge (ruler) across the playfield insert and post a picture of that.
Rob
Quoted from Mitch:Those holes are supposed to be there to align your flipper bats. The tip should point directly at the hole.
Usually the holes are behind the flipper tips, but with that gap...
Rob
Quoted from Rob_G:Put a straight edge (ruler) across the playfield insert and post a picture of that.
Rob
sorry best i can do. its hard to take a picture at that angle and see anything i tryed a bunch of different ways. when you run your finger over it you can definitely feel it and in person can see it. It didnt drop alot but it did drop. Ive had my table since May 5.
Quoted from Phbooms:sorry best i can do. its hard to take a picture at that angle and see anything i tryed a bunch of different ways. when you run your finger over it you can definitely feel it and in person can see it. It didnt drop alot but it did drop. Ive had my table since May 5.
Dimples? Massive dimples from the massive air balls
Quoted from Phbooms:sorry best i can do. its hard to take a picture at that angle and see anything i tryed a bunch of different ways. when you run your finger over it you can definitely feel it and in person can see it. It didnt drop alot but it did drop. Ive had my table since May 5.
I think that picture does a very good job of showing that the insert dropped. Thanks for sharing.
Rob
Quoted from hoby1:Would adding additional adhesive on a NIB game stop these inserts from doing this or will it happen anyway.
A lot of the inserts seem to be spot glued only, they are not well supported and could be flexing.
Quoted from Sammy31:Has anybody started reinforcing their inserts with glue in an attempt to stop this from happening?
That might void your warranty - although current warranty has more holes than a block of swiss cheese. Would injecting glue from bottom side of playfield potentially cause a problem being considered for the secret playfield swap program? I would hate for this altering of playfield, in attempt to prevent further damage, from being an excuse used by Stern to not replace. Most likely, that would not come up and this concern would not be an issue.
As Stern has yet to publically acknowledge the problem nor mention the playfield swap program, who knows what can/will happen? A simple 3-step plan is needed. The first step is restoring customer confidence by acknowledging the playfield issues exist and vowing to swap affected playfields in the future through a new dealer program. The second step is to issue a detailed apology to its distributers and Customers Since April 2016 - for the huge cluster fu%# they have created. Third and final step is to find a fix and to implement in their production process.
Do not underestimate the importance of the first two steps. These issues have been occurring for four months now and still no word nor apology from Stern. With large numbers of playfields affected, the resemblence to a large scale auto recall is scary.
Great.. I'm not one for to get paranoid easily, but this is something that makes me not want to buy a GB, I was thinking about buying a used one but then I would really be screwed right? Even if they provided a fix since I bought it 2nd hand I wouldn't be covered right?
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:As Stern has yet to publically acknowledge the problem nor mention the playfield swap program, who knows what can/will happen? A simple 3-step plan is needed. The first step is restoring customer confidence by acknowledging the playfield issues exist and vowing to swap affected playfields in the future through a new dealer program. The second step is to issue a detailed apology to its distributers and Customers Since April 2016 - for the huge cluster fu%# they have created. Third and final step is to find a fix and to implement in their production process.
well said.
Quoted from Sammy31:Has anybody started reinforcing their inserts with glue in an attempt to stop this from happening?
why should people even be doing this? its defective, let it be replaced.. rather than patching up botched work.
Quoted from Chrizg:Newer production Metallica. 10k-ish plays
That's a lot of plays but would not have seen it on older machines that's not even a high impact area
Quoted from Flato:That's a lot of plays but would not have seen it on older machines that's not even a high impact area
Caused by the ball striking the edge of the playfield. I think beveling that edge would prevent that damage
Quoted from TaylorVA:Caused by the ball striking the edge of the playfield. I think beveling that edge would prevent that damage
Makes sense going to mylar my area on GB now sorry for the damage but thanks for the heads up.
ok, as seen the Met above (with lots of play of course), and some others GB (...), here's a simple 30 minutes job :
than, mine PF if 881 from the 1st batch
put 3 pieces of soft (but not too thin) plastic, glued with double face (as it easy to remove if needed) right at the same PF level, except for the back part, a bit higher (not showned on pics, but already did as it on the shooterlane)
1st mylar piece
2nd which recover the 1st...
and its a clean job for sure
I get wanting to protect scoops and similar places on the playfield where wear affects artwork you see, but i dont understand these efforts to protect shooter lanes and ball drain holes under aprons. These are normal wear areas.
Quoted from JoeJet:I get wanting to protect scoops and similar places on the playfield where wear affects artwork you see, but i dont understand these efforts to protect shooter lanes and ball drain holes under aprons. These are normal wear areas.
You sure about that?
Quoted from kpg:You sure about that?
I am not referring to defective playfields. No protector will stop your playfield from crumbling.
Quoted from JoeJet:I get wanting to protect scoops and similar places on the playfield where wear affects artwork you see, but i dont understand these efforts to protect shooter lanes and ball drain holes under aprons. These are normal wear areas.
I'm with you. A non-defective playfield should have minimal wear here. My metallica is probably close to 2k plays and looks fine. Other games ranging from sterns, wms and JJP are fine with thousands of plays. We should not have to buy extra protection to compensate for a quality problem at stern.
Quoted from clg:My metallica is probably close to 2k plays and looks fine.
Look closer. I wouldn't be surprised if there's chipping in the clear at the drain hole and you never ever realized it.
Unfortunately, the poll won't let me vote twice.
Two machines each with defective playfields. SMVE with 23 inserts ghosting and playfield clear coat delamination starting. MET Pro less than 1 month old with playfield clear coat delamination.
Ongoing emails with Stern regarding SMVE. Started the process with the vendor and Stern regarding MET Pro.
Quoted from gweempose:Look closer. I wouldn't be surprised if there's chipping in the clear at the drain hole and you never ever realized it.
I took a really close look and it is fine. It is one of the early build metallica's, pre LED. The edge has smoothed a little but the clear is fine. Nothing like what you see in these pictures. More of a soft gradual wear than clear flaking off. My Metallica is wearing like my old williams games. My ACDC is the same as is WOZ. The last two are both out on location. I gave them both a really good look just the other day because of all of this.
Quoted from clg:I took a really close look and it is fine. It is one of the early build metallica's, pre LED. The edge has smoothed a little but the clear is fine. Nothing like what you see in these pictures. More of a soft gradual wear than clear flaking off. My Metallica is wearing like my old williams games. My ACDC is the same as is WOZ. The last two are both out on location. I gave them both a really good look just the other day because of all of this.
I looked at mine last night and its the exactly the same, kind of a smoothed edge to it
Ahhh 'old world craftsmanship'
On a french site a distributor? got into some details (see also post from RidleYYY - “Ghostbusters cancellations and Ghosting Financial Damage” #91 - http://www.flipjuke.fr/club-des-possesseurs-ghostbusters-t118731-800.html).
So basically they say they will contact any owner of the GB's send out. He says 5 to 6 machines are affected. they will contact the owners, make a complete file of the problems (photo's etc) and send this to Stern for review. As of October full playfield will be send to the customer for replacement, if they can do that themself. Or just piece for piece (step-by-step??). The program runs to Januari 2017 after this date al should be normal. It seems that the issues are with the playfield manufacturer, issues will be solved for now and future machines and stern will do all the fullfill customers satisfaction.
What worries me is there is nothing on what is severe, one ghosting insert? or two? A chip from the shooterlane?. Also I think they will make it right no doubt but if your playfield is good now, what if this starts ghosting in 2 months? What is a reasonnable timeframe for warranty on a playfield?
Am I ever glad I waited to send the money in and then can celled and got my deposit back. I will never buy a Stern game again. I just spent some of my GB premium money last night on a 65 inch 4k ultra HD teli that I have been wanting. The rest will go to home improvements or getting my corvette project going.
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