Rumor also has it that Toy Story pin development was delayed because the movie was delayed. If JJP can use the movie assets, then they likely have to wait a period of time after the movie is released in late June to get some of those assets. Toy Story isn't going to be the next one. Someone in another thread posted that Jack told them in Texas that the license was too expensive for JJP. So ... that one has some rumors both ways. Wonka and GNR have some pretty strong rumors and coincidences.

There are a lot of repeat customers for JJP. Agree with you. They would lose at least 30% of those sales.

Whoever gets a new pin can just look at the number stamped on the playfield. Jack showed me last summer that the stamped number ... on the playfield, not the plaque, is a sequential number for the production line.

If they make Toy Story and use assets from the next movie, it would not go into production until the fall. The spring reveal and production start would be Wonka or GNR.

Not according to Jack himself.

95% yes ... if no road blocks pop up.

Probably not until TPF in March

I think that is what they are doing this time around. The down side is that some prototype pins don't get played by just "mediocre" type players for a few thousand times to test things out very thoroughly for durability before production. Therefore, I volunteer to be a secret prototype tester for them and give them lots of feedback. I'll even do it for free and guarantee several games played per day. [full disclosure - I am a Test Engineer for vehicles for "my day job" and have to test things with prototype vehicles ... so I'm qualified.]

I'm going to need a bigger house soon if JJP pumps out more pins per year than they are now and keep up with their great designs and code.

Maybe Pixar will make some special pinball animations for it since they were already in the mode. Just make a 3 second extra ball scene ... why not?

Jack told my wife and i that he wanted a standard body with no upper playfield on JJPOTC. Super glad and happy that Eric was able to persuade JJP management to go big. Guessing it will be a standard.

They wouldn't be able to sell a Toy Story pin until a period of time after the movie release if they use assets from the new movie. JJP5 will be in production before that.

The movie release is late June. JJP#5 (Wonka) will be announced and in production before that. Guessing that Toy Story licensing would allow the assets to be revealed after July for a fall reveal. JJP might not even "receive" some of the Toy Story movie assets to use until June.

We will see what happens in Texas.

There are quite a few coincidences if the rumor is false.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/guns-n-roses-new-pin-speculation-thread

I think #6 is getting close too if the rumors are correct. Rumors from a few years ago was that JJP was working on a Toy Story pin and a pic of a spinner for it leaked or was falsely associated with it. Then the rumor that it got put on hold because the new movie was put on hold about 8 months before it's target for a year or two. So ... hypothetically, if that development was progressing that was partially done. As you stated, with the hold on JJPOTC early last year, I'm sure that they weren't just sitting around waiting for parts and were likely moving forward with Wonka and the modifications for WOZ YBR in the background. It should be an interesting year for the pinball industry.

Wonka is before Toy Story.

That's definitely a keepsake to hold onto.

The office with the designers and coders is near Chicago. That is probably considered more engineering "headquarters". Production is in NJ. So MGC announcement?

Jack said WOZ was on the mini production line. The main line is being converted now for the next new game.

The trolls are sure out this weekend.

A couple of other threads started up on it. You're missing out.

Last summer at Pinburgh/Replay FX, Gary said in his presentation that they would never make a wide body again … so we will never know if he continues to hold true to that word. By no means am I defending delt31, but ONE of a few reasons he listed was that they cost more to make. Tournament champs don't like wide body pins and they are designing most of the Stern games now - so fast, shorter, brutal standard size games, and super duper secret combo shots for high points for the tourney players is their recent pattern.

Me, personally … I like the JJP wide bodies and they are my favorites. (TZ is pretty good too.) I was a little disappointed that DI was a standard. Still bought one though. Jack told me last summer that they want to steer their designers more toward standard bodies. Pat's designs seem to be sticking to that. I hope Toy Story and the wildly rumored Harry Potter are wide bodies. Just my $20K contribution value to the conversation …