Joe beat me to it.

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride....

At this point, I couldn't care less about $100 here or there.
Just give me a great looking and playing game that doesn't require a 6 month wait and a 1/2 dozen adjustments once I open it up
and JJP will have an LE customer

People are DYING for a game like this I think. A good game with a good theme that isn't overstuffed with questionable mechs. Picture...Dialed in with a an awesome license.

I think that's what we may have here. All I'm hearing about this game sounds great so far, I think people here are gonna be very happy with it.

Thank me later, Chris... lol !

Can't wait to see what Kinpin has in store for MGC ! My first time to the show ! Will there another Kingpin Kiddie Ride Menagarie ? LOVE IT ! If so I want to ride in a Bert and Ernie car with you ! The two of us, together if we can fit our fat butts in it ! : )

Misinformation? Your own email stated prices for a game not even formally announced yet so probably not best to talk about that. As for my comment on CG/MBr - that was based on facts as well. No question there either.

We're just having fun here speculating about things which is why someone posted your email. I commented on the price and the fact it's being stated as the same when it's not. That's just the truth of the matter and you can spin it whatever way you see fit. Bottom line, if the new response is that for an LE, JJP doesn't have a set price for Wide vs Standard, and we should ignore prices of the past....well good luck with that.

The rational person will say how much was Dialed In, the previous standard....9k? How much is the new standard....9.5? OK, that's a 500 increase. Would that cause me to not buy it - of course not but that's for the individual to decide. I'm super pumped but just stating what's going on here.

Rational person would realize DI had no license as both Chris and I are trying to explain among a laundry list of other things that go into a BOM. The comment I made was there was no price increase over POTC as per JJP info. FACT. Actually price going down on SE. I give up. Let's all just wait for next week and discuss when we know something / everything... I'll buy you a beer at next show Delt31 or a puppy...

Good F'ng Lord, what some people obsess over.

Always appreciate your input here. It seems like Stern doesn't follow this approach - they have set prices regardless of the IP, bill of materials. Interesting that jjp could be taking that approach. Who knows where pricing goes from here then for future games. I guess we saw that with yellow woz

HA! Where have you been man?

Can we not wait a whole 'nother 8 days to get the full reveal and shortly after, pricing structure? What's there more to talk about in regards to that? It'll be what it is, and what you will pay for it will be up to you. What some podcaster says means nothing when you have Distros saying something else.

But I want to buy it now!

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Exactly.

My dear Veruca...

She was a bad egg....

Snozzberry-colored balls please.

I forget, how much is a Stern wide body for comparison?

I only have standard bodies to compare to but you know that already ; )

Seems like the continued increase in pricing doesn't seem to be a big deal to many. I like to identify when prices go up especially when they're not being represented as such. It's helpful to understand as a consumer as to why that's the case.

Now bring on the game....

When did JJP or anyone else ever state that there is a standard body price and widebody price for their games? You're the only one I recall ever mentioning that. You literally just made that up, lol....and then argued with distributors about it. That was fun.

A bit OT but does anyone know if WPC Super-pins priced the same as their standard body counterparts in the 90's? If there was a difference, how much was it?

Or for that matter, were GNR or BMF more than other DE/Sega pins? I doubt it...

Its been pointed out by others, but how are you NOT grasping the concept that there is a licensing cost for Wonka that was NOT there for DI? Both are standard bodies, but one has a license that had to be paid for and one was an original concept. Again, how are you not understanding this?

No, he said it was from a certain podcaster in the other Wonka thread. After I saw that, I pretty much disregarded any other "facts" that were stated.

Dialed In also required 100% of everything in the game to be custom made from the animations, to artwork, audio, music, etc. That had to cost some bucks versus being able to use existing video clips and music in a good chunk of the game.

I understand that.... But man what a great industry for someone to sell pinball. Company now charges more bc they aquired a license and you accept that as a reason to increase price? Really? How does Stern manage? They don't charge more for Deadpool than BK3? I'll tell you if they did though people would be flipping the F out. I love jjp but I can see how Stern guys point out a double standard bc that company (Stern) would be crucified for applying a similar practice

As for mixing it up with the distributor - ha! I like things represented accurately. If you want to accept the increase that's fine but let's not sell it like it's not.

I'm not sure I understand the reference to kaneda. Pricing being discussed (as rumor only) is based on a distributor sending an email to only certain customers for a game that hasn't been announced.

Its hard to judge right now as Wonka has yet to be revealed. Will it have more or less in it then Dialed In? Will it have as interesting of toys and custom animations? Who knows. Gotta wait and see. If not it will seem like a big price increase.

Yeah I agree this is all rumor. Part of the fun of the forum is the speculation which this simply is. What would it be perceived as if the rumors turn out to be true.

Look at that alien cgc thread. All speculation but still fun to talk about it....

Yup Right now I'm 50 / 50 on whether or not Wonka will have as much in it as Dialed In. Either JJP is going to continue down the route of loading games up with a ton of stuff or will scale them back slightly to generate more profit.

Same here, I'm worried that JJP is stepping down on loading machines with toys and mechs like they used to, following what they started with YBR. Wonka is on my watch list and I'm eagerly waiting for the reveal.

I'm prob in day 1 if this thing hits like i hope it does. I hope JJP continues to pack these pins as much as possible. Transparency is key.

Pipes! New avatar - almost didn't recognize you. My canadian buddy - not making up anything. I was going off of their previous pricing (as recent as 2017!).

btw - I've met a few more canadians recently. Some of the nicest people. Would love to visit that country. Cheers

JJP needs to pack at least as much into WW as DI. And here is why... Magic. Back in 71 when Wonka was released, kids wanted to here about Wonka, read about Wonka, and be Willy Wonka. Teachers read the book to their students, kids dreamed of seeing the factory and it’s marvelous magic candy making equipment. You can not expect to put out a pinball machine with “LESS” magic than DI and expect any pinhead to think, this machine is wonderful, this is magical, this is cool.

If man in mom-jeans was the high bar of “magic” for a JJP standard sized title, WW better rock my socks off or they are getting a solid “Mhe” from me. This needs a mech as cool as a flipperless mini playfield, a lower pf as cool as Munsters but full size, and some kind of Wonkatania, Wonkavator, or Gobstopper machine in order to move my needle off “been there, done that in mom jeans” with Dialed In.

I hope JJP continues to pack these pins as much as possible.

If they've learned anything they will actually not do this anymore. That's how you end up with mechanical nightmares like Hobbit and POTC.

JJP needs to put out a fun, simplish game that isn't trying too hard and is relatively mechanically reliable - something like Dialed in, except with a decent license.

Hopefully that's what we've got here. JJP needs a hit bad and I really hope they get one.

Hat tip to Kaneda on his most recent podcast. There will be several songs from the original movie in the game, the more assets from the movie the better. Could be an epic machine that we have all waited for.

Can't disagree with you more. My potc has been perfectly fine and others as well. Yes there have been problems but they're innovating. Otherwise we're left with Stern clone.

I do agree they need this big time and I'm rooting right alongside you.

Find the golden ticket after an bonus to win $5,000 at any betting level.

Hat tip for what? That’s not anything new. :p

Last summer at Pinburgh/Replay FX, Gary said in his presentation that they would never make a wide body again … so we will never know if he continues to hold true to that word. By no means am I defending delt31, but ONE of a few reasons he listed was that they cost more to make. Tournament champs don't like wide body pins and they are designing most of the Stern games now - so fast, shorter, brutal standard size games, and super duper secret combo shots for high points for the tourney players is their recent pattern.

Me, personally … I like the JJP wide bodies and they are my favorites. (TZ is pretty good too.) I was a little disappointed that DI was a standard. Still bought one though. Jack told me last summer that they want to steer their designers more toward standard bodies. Pat's designs seem to be sticking to that. I hope Toy Story and the wildly rumored Harry Potter are wide bodies. Just my $20K contribution value to the conversation …

"Pure Imagination" has to be the name of one of the games wizard modes (maybe a variant of it is the main track) so that song is in the game. "I've Got a Golden Ticket" will be another, maybe a mid wizard mode or the main multiball. Chocolate River multiball is likely another that may or not use the background track from the movie, hopefully the game gets louder and louder as shots are made in the mode just like the scene from the movie. Then there's "Oompa Loompa Doompa Dee Do" of course which will almost for sure be in the game. There's multiple "Oompa Loompa" tracks in the movie so hopefully JJP has each and creates a set of "Oompa Loompa" modes with them or something. The game definitely has the potential to be the next WOZ.

Also hearing Jack himself is voicing a custom track titled "The Pinball Man" based off the "The Candy Man" song? "Who can take a pinball machine, sprinkle it with code, cover it in toys and a miracle or two...The Pinball Man, The Pinball Man can". Just joking about the last one lol

Its clearly a Toy Story. Not Willy Wonka coming out next

I think those are fightin words...

In Australia at least the SuperPins were dearer than the standard body pins, and it wasn't by a little bit either, it was about $1500 or so at the time. No idea on US pricing.

What hell are you talking about man in mom jeans?Dialed In is the best!

This is surprising?

I believe Kaneda said there will be four songs. Let's take a guess:

1. The Candy Man
2. (I've Got a) Golden Ticket
3. Pure Imagination
4. I Want It Now

That leaves out Cheer Up Charlie, which pretty much no one likes. LOL!

It leaves out the Oompa Loompa songs, too, but there are four of them: Sweets, Gum, Brat, and TV. I could see where snippets of the Oompa bits would play out on the LCD, but not necessarily be considered as part of the music.

Musically, the main themes are Pure Imagination and Golden Ticket. Both are part of the film's Main Title sequence, and Pure Imagination makes up the End Title sequence.

No Oompa Loompa song and I’m out.

As much as I love the Oompa Loompa songs as a child. I'll agree with others that they would get old quick.
Pure imagination I could listen to all day.

In fact based on A Brief History of Pinball Licensing F*ck Ups and Disappointments i’m predicting Depp Wonka but with no Depp allowed and no Oompa Loompa song or in fact any Oompa Loompa likenesses.

My son has ptsd from me singing cheer up Charlie to him whenever he was grumpy.

It will be interesting to see how this can possibly live up to expectations. Hard to imagine there wont be some letdown initially.

It's NOT speculation and still fun.

My "opinion", there has to be an Oompa Loompa song. Don't even think it about it.

I've lost a lot of $$ sitting on that slot machine listening to that Oompa mode. Still makes me happy!