There are a lot of repeat customers for JJP. Agree with you. They would lose at least 30% of those sales.

Who said they would buy one?

How could you possibly know this?

Would love to see back to the future trilogy from jjp.

I don't recall the source, but I think they shared some sales numbers a few weeks ago.

It has to be. The original is one of my faves, and Wilder killed the role like nobody else could. To this day, I have actually avoided ever watching any part of the Johnny Depp remake. CGI’d Oompa Loompas? Rubbish.

Just like WOZ, Wonka does nothing for me theme wise, but I still think its a home run for JJP.

A Wonka theme would be a perfect fit for a jjp lineup. I believe toy story is next, but I can't wait to see Wonka. Toy story though is a must have for my household. Hoping for a tpf reveal.

I'm hoping they reveal when they are ready to ship, within 2-3 weeks, whenever that might be. Revealing at shows is pretty much useless unless you can deliver shortly after. No point in revealing something but shipping 9 months later. The hype train dies after 2 months.

JJP should make a Rocky pinball. 6 rocky and 2 creed movies make for a great pin and with great music.

Whoever gets a new pin can just look at the number stamped on the playfield. Jack showed me last summer that the stamped number ... on the playfield, not the plaque, is a sequential number for the production line.

I don't think that's what former DI owners are hoping for, either.

Not true, you don't know this. I would say every single owner is a target. Every single owner. Of a jj p pin are potential targets.

One of many targets I would hope. My opinion. Sales and success.

Honestly it was kinda weird and cool just like the original, yet a very different movie.

Don’t be afraid. It won’t ruin your childhood to check it out.

Also how about a slash machine? By j j p. G n r done already.

Maybe?

Easier to get approvals and input, perhaps.

Not horrible, like many remakes. Just not the original. The original willy wonka is a masterpiece.

I used to have the remake on DVD showed it to my kids. It's gone to charity now.

I have the original on a new blu Ray right in the living room. Comparatively.

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Is this new GNR by jjp for real or just a rumor?

I don't know, I just meant the older pinball is already made. The theme had been used once, already.

I love the theme too! “Why not trust us?”

No chance at all id purchase a retheme of my dile...

Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory came out in 1971...which puts the 50th anniversary in 2021.

2021 isn't that far away if there are a couple potential pins already in the works or ahead in the queue. JJP was big on the 75th anniversary edition for Wizard of Oz so I could see this.

That would actually be best imo to have another anniversary pin. Toy story releases it's next movie next year, so jjp better release toy story then. GNR would be a great filler between Wonka and toystory for sure. Really hoping toy story knocks it out of the park with full assets, but I'll believe it when I see it.

If they make Toy Story and use assets from the next movie, it would not go into production until the fall. The spring reveal and production start would be Wonka or GNR.

Everything on JJP at this point is just a rumor. They are on life support with Pirates.

WoZ has got to be carrying that company, and there's only so many you can sell before the market for that theme is saturated.

I love my Dialed In and JJP as a company, but they need a hit theme to make some sales. I doubt Pirates of the Caribbean is going to do that, no matter how good the game is.

A retheme Of Woz would tick off too
many but the layout seems perfect for the chocolate factory. The flying monkey would make a nice wonkavator!!

That's what I'm afraid of. They have to get a hit next, and shipping by spring imo.

I don't necessarily think they need all the toy story movies. Personally, the first one alone could be enough for a great game. I like the 2nd and 3rd movies, but it's the first movie that people cared about. If they have all 4 movies in it, then great, but just don't cram too much into it and make it clustered and confusing like potc.

Also, I believe the next 3 rumored titles will all be hits. They just have to get production nailed down faster.

I could see a re-skinned Dialed In easily. DI is a great player and should of just been named Quantum City. It's actually a shame that many are turned off just by the title alone. It could be a winner of a move to save costs and help shore up the bottom line.

I actually think jjp POTC is a miss but not as a HUO, but a miss for public consumption. How many casual players will walk right by one not realizing this is a new POTC and not the old Stern POTC from 10 years ago? I know, the differences are clearly visible, this is a new modern pin, but the idea is not new. The “We have seen this before” syndrome kicks in and potential customers walk on by. And all the characters, and all the modes and rules, this thing is packed with almost too much stuff IMO. Never thought I would think less is more, but in a pinball machine, sometimes this may be true. Some people want and like to to “finish” a game. The designer was adamant at Expo and his mindset was to never play the same game twice. (and yes there is a video around the 4:00 mark)

So in HUO, this is a good thing, or on site in a barcade maybe, but as a casual title for locations with not a lot of repeat customers, maybe too deep? I think this is the major difference in philosophy between JJP and Stern.

WOZ is done the games in the hands of distributors are the last WOZ

Seems very unlikely since Jack has repeatedly referred to WoZ as his "evergreen" license and he just renewed it again 2 years ago. Isn't there a Yellow Brick Road edition about to hit? Maybe you got it confused with Hobbit. Hobbit IS done.

This man has a legit argument that makes sense. 100% agree.

Not according to Jack himself.

Three WOZ have been made all LE games for a total of 4000 I believe if they are still building games it is with little demand as the first 1000 games sold back in 2011

If a fourth edition comes out that will change things

Apparently the demand is good enough for Jack to call the license "evergreen", keep renewing it, and supposedly have a new Yellow Brick Road edition coming out. No idea who told you WoZ is done, but they're wrong.

And they weren't all LE. That run for Automated has standard stainless lockdown and side rails.

The demand is slower, hence the jacked up price. $9500 for a woz is steep considering the in demand pricing was $6500-7500

That would be a slap in the face to Dialed In owners and a disservice to the game itself. The games layout should belong to Dialed In and Dialed In alone. A lot of people are not fans of rethemes either as they feel less value is being offered as all of the design work is already done yet the price is the same (or higher) then the original game.

Life support? What are the facts to support that? There's no signs of JJP being on life support and that is a terrible rumor to start throwing around.

JJP has to be loosing money but since they have huge backing, I can see them weathering the storm till they see profitability. I think Wonka could be that game if they nail it.

Imagine it like the shrek/family guy games. You can load in whichever version you want.

I have FGy, and I occasionally load Shrek on it... the call outs are a nice change of pace but looking at FGy artwork while listening to Shrek and Donkey talk is just weird... can a FGy rom run in a Shrek? I heard it only goes one way.

Maybe they can just flip DI over and make it a left handed DI with Toy Story Artwork... or a left handed WOZy Wonka?

Not a fan of rethemes.

I cannot see Lawlor recycling a whole game of his. He recycles elements of his ouevre all the time, but a whole game? Never. He managed to strongarm Jack into moving the headphone jack to people's knees where it makes no sense for god's sake! That should give you a sniff of their dynamic. He's definitely not going to be cool with Jack recycling a whole game design of his, and definitely not so soon.

I have said that over and over I believe if they do not cut prices they are done

You saying it doesn't make it true. That said, I don't think there's much room for more price increases over the next couple games. $10k delivered is a pretty hard ceiling.

Jack talks way too much. He said himself that DI was his least selling game to date. I don't see Pirates sales topping those of DI. JJP desperately needs another hit like WOZ. How long does his investor stay on board with each title doing worse than the previous?

Have you played POTC?

How did we get from Willy Wonka speculation to JJP closing ?

Both of which have no basis in reality.

LTG : )