Say what!?

It sounds like production speed and capacity is likely to remain their biggest problem, assuming that text is an accurate reflection of what Jack said.

If Wonka is title #5, and it's anything like as good as their other releases, they really need to be able to build more than 2000 units of it this year.

250 units of WOZ, especially if it's a new version, will barely scratch the surface of demand.

Appears that any more PotCs after title #5 hits the main line will be on an ad hoc squeezed in basis, like WOZ is now, with #6 supposedly launching in the autumn. With a sizeable waiting list, that isn't ideal.

Sounds like a hell of a lot of unfulfilled demand to me.

Say they add significantly greater capacity in 2020 ... I'd have thought that would coincide with a downturn in the market ...

What downturn? Nothing goes up for ever but I think pinball demand will remain strong. What signs are you seeing that validate your gloomy forecast?

This will never happen. Why would pat reuse a current table? He’s a top designer and doesn’t need someone else’s hand me down to be successful. No one will wish to buy a reskin of any of the four tables as good as they each are, won’t happen.

And I know it won’t happen because I spoke to Jack directly about this.

We have 1 pinball machine - Lord of the Rings . We decided that 2 will be the number of machines in our house, and are playing a lot of newer games on location to determine which one to likely get NIB. (FYI, Star Wars (Pro) and The Beatles (Gold Edition) are top candidates so far due to theme and quicker ball times, but more research is needed...)

If Willy Wonka is released by JJP, my wife decreed that we would make room for a 3rd game.

I hope that one of the toys is the bed in Charlie's house, and we get to bash Grandpa Joe all day long. He's the real villain in that story.

#Fakenews

No JJP rethemes please! For $8k-$10k these games need to be original designs in my opinion.

Ha awesome!

Kinda like the Karate Kid:

Theory, more like delusion. The guy has been off his lithium too long.

Hope you're right, Pat needs to be on Toy Story!

If WW is a standard body and TS isba wide then Pat is surely working on WW

God I hope not, better be Lawlor

I would listen to mnpinball.

Not sure when things changed but for the past year or 2 i thought/was told pat was on toy s but i heard this week from someone usually pretty reliable that hopefully at tpf pat/jjp will be releasing wonka. I like toy s but i love pat/ di so I'll probably be getting wonka.

To me it makes a lot of sense if Eric does Toy Story since it was a movie more for/from his generation, and Wonka was Pat's generation. Both movies do transcend generations to an extent though.

WW is Whirlwind - maybe WiWo ?

WWO and TSY

Are Mr. Lawlor and Mr. Meunier the only folks doing design lead at JJP at the moment ? Assuming they are and assuming JJP releases two games this year, what will they release in 2020?

Hoping they release in 2020, MOon walker...MJ and Harry P. Of course GNR, but that’d be another table already done in the past by Stern, like POTC. Don’t we have enough of doubling up? Yes I know JJP versions are better.

Need some spy shots pronto!

ALL I KNOW IS THIS FOR A FACT.....

THIS WIILL BE THE POWDER COATED DOOR DESIGN FOR WILLY WONKA COLLECTORS EDITION.

ITS A PROTOTYPE AND I AM SO CONFIDENT, I HAD MINE FRAMED.

well...I can dream ..cant.I, Is that.not what the movie is about? Dreams that come true.

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CCF=Charlie and the Chocolate factory

That's definitely a keepsake to hold onto.

Call me crazy, but I feel like the toy story pin is not happening. Disney tends to tighten up on licenses they have when there is something major going on with that license. With the opening of toy story land at disneyworld recently, and a new movie coming mid 2019, I feel like they would not have allowed the license use for this theme. I know people will be quick to jump at GOTG as an example of a movie release and pin of the same release in the same year (2017 movie and stern machine) but Marvel, while owned by Disney, is not necessarily controlled in the same manner.

I dunno that's my thought. Where did the toy story "rumor" come from anyways? How did it start?

I would vote for a re themed DI, eventually. I really enjoy playing the game but disasters aren't my thing.

After reading in the Pirates thread that production will be halted, the latest thoughts are that JJP5 may be ship fairly soon after being announced. This would be amazing.

DI is not going to be re-themed, if ever. The table is brilliant the way it is. It’s campy humor and a blast to play. I’m not into disasters, but the jokes in this game are plenty and fun, making the table a hit theme wise. I love my Dialed In and it would anger all of us owners if Jack did re-theme it. Which he won’t because I asked him directly before spending $10k.

No one wants to buy a re-themed table at nearly $10k. Just ask the Beatlewitch market, the theme alone should sell the table, but people are staying away in the droves, at such high prices being a 1980 re-themed Seawitch. At the high prices Stern is asking, can you imagine how well it would have sold if it was a Magical Mystery Tour or Abbey Road modern original 2019 table? Even at such high PRICES it would have been a sellout. Stern really blew the Beatles license. Beatlewitch is not selling well at all and hopefully Sern has learned their lesson and won’t punish the market again with a high price license done through Ka-Pow.

You say that, but how much did Supreme sell for?

That's a much different situation imo..

The Supreme pin sold for a much more reasonable multiple (~4x usual) than the brick (~100x usual) that Supreme fans bought, too. The pin was a relative bargain compared to the brick based on markup.

Come on, Supreme is a crazy business model and everyone knows that. There’s no comparison.

I'm not buying the retheme rumor.

I hope it's a Wonka lawlor production bc I much prefer Wonka than toy story

Can't wait for jjp gnr. They might as well just drive the game from the factory to my house once they're done.

Serious question. Say Jack announced today Willy Wonka is next, how long would it be before the first one shipped? Would it even happen in 2019?

The thought is yes. Jack said he doesn’t want to announce games until they are nearly ready to ship. So announce game then start shipping within a month maybe?

On that note:
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and make the bet that toy story is not happening and is not in the works.

Since the machine would be exposed to the workers, I would think more leaks would come out (sworn to secrecy or not) plus Jack allows tours to the public, so I cant imagine the next title is on the line. We have all seen the doors of secrecy at the stern Factory LOL

Actually Data East, but to your point, yes. I have a GnR and will happily add another CE JJP GnR to my collection the second it is announced!

It's not on the line. The have said they will finish up making POTC in March. I assume that's on the main line. TPF is in late March. Maybe announce at TPF, switch over the main line in April and start producing the new game in May. Meanwhile the second line will run YBR WOZ (if it's not already). Or if they miss TPF, they can announce at MGC.

The podcast that shall not be named says no JJP reveal at TPF.

Can any one tell me which JJP video on YouTube explains how Liar's dice is played in the game. My wife had an outstanding game today and was well on her way when she got the Liars dice screen. She did not know how to proceed and I didn't either. I gave her some stupid direction and she lost half of her accumulated score. I would not want to have to guess how to proceed again. So, help please...

I want a willy wonka machine, NOW.

Give me Willy Wanka!

WELL, THAT IS JUST STUPID ISN'T IT. HOPE IT'S WRONG.

I hope it's right so I can see the reveal at MGC instead. :p

JJP will reveal when it's ready to go on the line. Whether that coincides with TPF will remain to be seen. And what does it matter if it's at a show or not? Stern has repeatedly shown that you don't need to reveal at a show to sell machines.

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NOW THAT IS JUST FUNNY! YOU HAVE A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR MY FRIEND.

What is with the yelling?

Sorry brotha, looks like JJP is going to be at TPF.... https://texaspinball.com/tpf/

Seriously, no yelling!

Word is WOZ YBR at TPF, no new game yet.

Would make sense, otherwise they would have announced Pat L would be at TPF. Damn it, I want a new game!