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Is this Atlantis a Prototype?


By Mistermoberg

5 months ago



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#1 5 months ago

Is it? If yes, how rare is it?

I included photos of the lockdown bar, there are a couple holes drilled into it and then covered up.

What would a price be without mods or extras or LEDs?
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#2 5 months ago

Probably quite rare, at least in submitted data that can be scoured on the 'net. This exact serial, a format known as "experimental", was submitted it IPSND in 2012. It's the only serial number in this format submitted out of an already thin amount of 1500 or so games produced. https://www.ipsnd.net/details.aspx?id=28175

That said, a proto or experimental game doesn't immediately inflate the value to ridiculous heights in my opinion. Please do not consider modifying this rare game. In my honest opinion, I'd place the value of this game about $2200.

#3 5 months ago

Do you have the original MPU?

#4 5 months ago
Quoted from Palmer:

Do you have the original MPU?

I think fixing the original mpu if possible would be important to a collector but I do like the swemmer boards.
-Mike

#5 5 months ago

pf pics?

#6 5 months ago
Quoted from wayout440:

Probably quite rare, at least in submitted data that can be scoured on the 'net. This exact serial, a format known as "experimental", was submitted it IPSND in 2012. It's the only serial number in this format submitted out of an already thin amount of 1500 or so games produced. https://www.ipsnd.net/details.aspx?id=28175
That said, a proto or experimental game doesn't immediately inflate the value to ridiculous heights in my opinion. Please do not consider modifying this rare game. In my honest opinion, I'd place the value of this game about $2200.

I was hoping she’d be worth a little more than that as base value. I think with the extras, she’s worth $3K~ based on that estimate. No mods will be made, I can assure you. I’m even going to leave the original rails with operator dents.

Quoted from Palmer:

Do you have the original MPU?

Heartbreakingly, no. I may reveal the full story in how I acquired this game, it’s origin into my possession is actually kind of bizarre, and neither I nor the previous owner (a fellow pinsider) knew of it’s rarity.

The worst part, if there was a different rom correlated to the different inserts, it would have been a very different, and slightly better game. I do not have that ROM.

Maybe the ROM can be modified to match my inserts. It would be cool to see.

I’ll be posting many more today or tomorrow. I want to make side by side comparisons. My local pinball club just acquired an Atlantis, and it looks like a different game in a few obvious ways.

Most notably, the fonts of some inserts, insert point values and my Atlantis lights do not flash, they all stay on all the time.

#7 5 months ago
Quoted from Palmer:

Do you have the original MPU?

One more thing I want to say in regards to this: if any pinsider can modify the code, to change point values and a couple other things, please message me. I’d be willing to compensate you for your work.

#8 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

I was hoping she’d be worth a little more than that as base value. I think with the extras, she’s worth $3K~ based on that estimate. No mods will be made, I can assure you. I’m even going to leave the original rails with operator dents.

Ah, well - She's worth whatever someone is willing to pay as you know. If you have some provenance you might be able to do a little better with the right collector. I'd be willing to pay more of a premium for an F-14 Tomcat prototype that were produced with the black cabs and different side art.

#9 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

One more thing I want to say in regards to this: if any pinsider can modify the code, to change point values and a couple other things, please message me. I’d be willing to compensate you for your work.www.ardvarkpr.com/

#10 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

I’ll be posting many more today or tomorrow. I want to make side by side comparisons. My local pinball club just acquired an Atlantis, and it looks like a different game in a few obvious ways.
Most notably, the fonts of some inserts, insert point values and my Atlantis lights do not flash, they all stay on all the time.

I'd say MOST notably, based on the couple images you can kinda see, it looks like this is a whitewood. I'd say that's the dead giveaway you have a prototype but don't mistake that as more desirable. It's cool but only a smaller subset of collectors or museums might be interested.

#11 5 months ago
Quoted from play_pinball:

I'd say MOST notably, based on the couple images you can kinda see, it looks like this is a whitewood. I'd say that's the dead giveaway you have a prototype but don't mistake that as more desirable. It's cool but only a smaller subset of collectors or museums might be interested.

I dunno, the last few pictures sort of look like an Alien Star to me.

#12 5 months ago
Quoted from Grandnational007:

I dunno, the last few pictures sort of look like an Alien Star to me.

Quoted from play_pinball:

I'd say MOST notably, based on the couple images you can kinda see, it looks like this is a whitewood. I'd say that's the dead giveaway you have a prototype but don't mistake that as more desirable. It's cool but only a smaller subset of collectors or museums might be interested.

Yeah. I photographed the lockdown bar on top of my white wood Alien Star - sorry for the confusion.

#13 5 months ago
Quoted from play_pinball:

I'd say MOST notably, based on the couple images you can kinda see, it looks like this is a whitewood. I'd say that's the dead giveaway you have a prototype but don't mistake that as more desirable. It's cool but only a smaller subset of collectors or museums might be interested.

I believe he has the lockbar from the bally Atlantis sitting on an Alien Star machine. It is hard to tell if that Alien Star is a white wood or if the finish has been removed. In the outlane areas there appears to be graphics.

#14 5 months ago
Quoted from pinball419:

I believe he has the lockbar from the bally Atlantis sitting on an Alien Star machine. It is hard to tell if that Alien Star is a white wood or if the finish has been removed. In the outlane areas there appears to be graphics.

It’s a long story. Separate thread, let’s please keep it that way. Search for “worst retheme ever.”

#15 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

I was hoping she’d be worth a little more than that as base value. I think with the extras, she’s worth $3K~ based on that estimate. No mods will be made, I can assure you. I’m even going to leave the original rails with operator dents.

Unless I am missing something, all you really have in the proto is red colored boards and some manufacturing handwriting. You don't have the original MPU, you have dented side rails (I had these, from someone dropping the fold down head on the game, correct?) and drilled lockbar - I believe these factors lower the value, not increase it.

Do you have any photos to share of the peculiar inserts you mentioned? Anything else different from the production game on the exterior?

#16 5 months ago
Quoted from wayout440:

Unless I am missing something, all you really have in the proto is red colored boards and some manufacturing handwriting. You don't have the original MPU, you have dented side rails (I had these, from someone dropping the fold down head on the game, correct?) and drilled lockbar - I believe these factors lower the value, not increase it.
Do you have any photos to share of the peculiar inserts you mentioned? Anything else different from the production game on the exterior?

I will be adding side by side photos of differences either today or tomorrow as aforementioned.

I have new rails if I choose to put them in.

#17 5 months ago

D'oh!

#18 5 months ago
Quoted from wayout440:

Unless I am missing something, all you really have in the proto is red colored boards and some manufacturing handwriting. You don't have the original MPU, you have dented side rails (I had these, from someone dropping the fold down head on the game, correct?) and drilled lockbar - I believe these factors lower the value, not increase it.
Do you have any photos to share of the peculiar inserts you mentioned? Anything else different from the production game on the exterior?

Worse, this proto appears to be wired differently than standard production games and he doesn't have the right rom for it. This is like having the proto TMNT with the different upper playfield or the WWE with the taf style magnets, both of which were missing their original roms.

To the op, good luck getting 3k, but not seeing it. Just because it is rare does not make it valuable. Just because its a proto does not make it worth more than a regular game. If this had something unique to it that was removed from production then maybe (depends on what software it gets stuck on due to it), but you are missing the original roms and going in and modify the prod roms to work correctly is not easy for most.

#19 5 months ago

I’m going to post a few image sets like this.

In this example, mine is pictured first, with a photo of a production game below.

You’ll notice how mine is colored differently. Particularly with shading in reds, oranges and yellow.

My playfield is stamped June 8, 1988. (Final photo in this post.)
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#20 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

I’m going to post a few image sets like this.
In this example, mine is pictured first, with a photo of a production game below.
You’ll notice how mine is colored differently. Particularly with shading in reds, oranges and yellow.
My playfield is stamped June 8, 1988. (Final photo in this post.)
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Looks more faded than anything but even if that is different it’s so minor I can’t see anyone caring.

#21 5 months ago

Here’s another major difference, mine again pictured first. The inserts for scoring are drastically different by the VUK. If they stuck with these numbers, the 7 digit scoring would have been much more reasonable.

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#22 5 months ago
Quoted from jdoz2:

Looks more faded than anything but even if that is different it’s so minor I can’t see anyone caring.

It’s definitely not faded, look at the angry fish in the left inlane, or the circle surrounding the diver lady.

#23 5 months ago

Mine again pictured first. The font for the A & B inserts is different compared to a production game.

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#24 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

It’s definitely not faded, look at the angry fish in the left inlane, or the circle surrounding the diver lady.

Then see the second part of my statement

Kinda cool to have a prototype but seems like it’s worth the same or sprightly less than a normal one to me. If I’m reading right and the game plays differently because of code

#25 5 months ago

Once again, my game featured first.

Countless differences here; the squid, the boat decals, the million coloring around the insert, the boat itself (barely, but still), minor additional coloring differences.

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#26 5 months ago

That’s enough for today, and covers the immediately obvious differences.

#27 5 months ago

One other thing I’ve forgotten to mention, the playfield lights in my game do not flash.

#28 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

I was hoping she’d be worth a little more than that as base value. I think with the extras, she’s worth $3K~ based on that estimate. No mods will be made, I can assure you. I’m even going to leave the original rails with operator dents.

Heartbreakingly, no. I may reveal the full story in how I acquired this game, it’s origin into my possession is actually kind of bizarre, and neither I nor the previous owner (a fellow pinsider) knew of it’s rarity.
The worst part, if there was a different rom correlated to the different inserts, it would have been a very different, and slightly better game. I do not have that ROM.
Maybe the ROM can be modified to match my inserts. It would be cool to see.

I’ll be posting many more today or tomorrow. I want to make side by side comparisons. My local pinball club just acquired an Atlantis, and it looks like a different game in a few obvious ways.
Most notably, the fonts of some inserts, insert point values and my Atlantis lights do not flash, they all stay on all the time.

Similar to the Lazer Lord prototype. Not having the original/correct ROM for the specific prototype makes the game suffer. It’s too bad. I think it’s valuable to someone but really not a HUGE increase. I hope you can see the historical importance and not just look for dollar signs.

Also even though I agree the Alien Star retheme was an ugly mistake it’s kinda too bad you decided to rip it apart. For the cost I would have just left it the way it was.

#29 5 months ago

Question: Did you have the original rom when you first acquired the game, and did you ultimately dispose of it?

#30 5 months ago
Quoted from BeaglePuss:

Question: Did you have the original rom when you first acquired the game, and did you ultimately dispose of it?

Sounds like before he got it someone scraped the dead board.

I personally keep all my boards even if they’re junkers, hopefully other pinsiders start doing this! Or just start burning all the ROMs just in case there are revisions people don’t know about.

For example, I own 3 VIDIOT boards, and they have different sound ROMs so it’s kinda cool to see the small updates they did along production

#31 5 months ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

Similar to the Lazer Lord prototype. Not having the original/correct ROM for the specific prototype makes the game suffer. It’s too bad. I think it’s valuable to someone but really not a HUGE increase. I hope you can see the historical importance and not just look for dollar signs.
Also even though I agree the Alien Star retheme was an ugly mistake it’s kinda too bad you decided to rip it apart. For the cost I would have just left it the way it was.

It’s seeming like I’m gonna keep it. I was definitely just looking to pass it along from the get go, but with the historical significance, and a small consensus saying it isn’t worth what I was hoping, it’ll probably stay at Möbecade.

As far as “Hunter in the Dark,” it had to be done. The upper playfield is currently serving as a guestbook to those who visit Möbecade, with creativity and a sharpie.

I’ll eventually be putting a different decal, almost custom Alien Star tribute art along with a translite to match, which is a brilliant idea from my buddy Tom.

Quoted from BeaglePuss:

Question: Did you have the original rom when you first acquired the game, and did you ultimately dispose of it?

I did not get the board or the rom, sadly.

#32 5 months ago

so it looks like none of the physical playfield aspects have been changed. It's all in the art package and some scoring changes for the VUK.

#33 5 months ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

so it looks like none of the physical playfield aspects have been changed. It's all in the art package and some scoring changes for the VUK.

and missing the double GI lighting for the condition red?

#34 5 months ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

and missing the double GI lighting for the condition red?

Seems that way. Bulbs are in the sockets.

Photos are of test mode, first photo is white, second photo is red.

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#35 5 months ago

A new discovery, there is at least one different sound. I’ll edit this post when I go through this further.

#36 5 months ago

bummer

Check around to see if you can get that working. I am guessing just something in that specific game

#37 5 months ago

But no elusive prototype plastic above the pop bumper area, like seen in the flyer? Bummer.

https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=106&picno=4038&zoom=1

#38 5 months ago
Quoted from Timerider:

But no elusive prototype plastic above the pop bumper area, like seen in the flyer? Bummer.
https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=106&picno=4038&zoom=1

It would be more impressive to have the prototype sub as seen in the flyer - the one that is non-functional because there are no holes for the balls to enter!

#39 5 months ago
Quoted from wayout440:

It would be more impressive to have the prototype sub as seen in the flyer - the one that is non-functional because there are no holes for the balls to enter!

The lower playfield art does match with the flyer.

#40 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

It’s seeming like I’m gonna keep it. I was definitely just looking to pass it along from the get go, but with the historical significance, and a small consensus saying it isn’t worth what I was hoping, it’ll probably stay at Möbecade.

Pass it along, you mean you thought you were gonna get a payday and when it turned out you were dreaming you decided it wasn't worth trying to flip. Sorry, but this entire thread screamed ad from the get go.

#41 5 months ago
Quoted from dung:

Pass it along, you mean you thought you were gonna get a payday and when it turned out you were dreaming you decided it wasn't worth trying to flip. Sorry, but this entire thread screamed ad from the get go.

I was gonna sell it before I found out. Now, I’m not.........

I have every intention of documenting this game’s differences to a production game over time, and even making a poster of such differences, and framing it next to the game.

#42 5 months ago
Quoted from Mistermoberg:

I was gonna sell it before I found out. Now, I’m not.........
I have every intention of documenting this game’s differences to a production game over time, and even making a poster of such differences, and framing it next to the game.

"I think with the extras, she’s worth $3K~ based on that estimate."
"it isn’t worth what I was hoping, it’ll probably stay"

Yeah, before you found out...

#43 5 months ago
Quoted from dung:

"I think with the extras, she’s worth $3K~ based on that estimate."
"it isn’t worth what I was hoping, it’ll probably stay"
Yeah, before you found out...

If it was worth $4K+, it would be listed for sale, sure. Being worth $2K, I’ll keep it for now.

Homie, I’m allowed to do whateva the fahck I want with my collection, and you do whateva the fahck you want with yours.

#44 5 months ago

Great find. It sure is a proto: it has red board on it and a S/N with X...
It’s a keeper.
For the value, it depends who is gonna buy this and offer for it. I would offer much more for a proto but there are really few people like me in the hobby.
I have one too and will never sell it, even for 20kish so I can’t put a price tag on it.

#45 5 months ago
Quoted from noitbe1:

Great find. It sure is a proto: it has red board on it and a S/N with X...
It’s a keeper.
For the value, it depends who is gonna buy this and offer for it. I would offer much more for a proto but there are really few people like me in the hobby.
I have one too and will never sell it, even for 20kish so I can’t put a price tag on it.

Do you have the original ROM for the extra inserts??

#46 5 months ago
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

Do you have the original ROM for the extra inserts??

I do not.

2 months later
#47 89 days ago

still an awesome find. I found a prototype Radical in someones basement once. Differences between that and the production one, were huge. It has a VUK in the back corner that would bring the ball up to the top ramps, a 6th pop bumper and a tunnel hole for the snake pit.

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